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  1. 4. That's how many shows it would take for Ian to mess with his pay or flights and he'd be outta there lol
  2. I understand the grander point you're trying to make but after seeing how he's run ROH it's pretty clear he'd just create Elite Club if he couldn't get legitimate TV for AEW. Is that sustainable? For a normal person no. But TK is a billionaire. AEW will exist as long as TK wants it to exist. This is his baby. This is his first really big lone business venture. He's not pulling the plug unless it somehow drains him of a significant portion of his wealth. We are all in agreement AEW's product is down. But they sold 80k tickets to a single event. All this doom and gloom and pontificating about a war eradicating them is crazy. Their highest paid attendance is more than TWICE the biggest paid attendance WCW ever had. My final point is this, TNA. They've existed for 20+ years. With and without TV. If a small hillbilly carry turned semi professional Canadian carry can last two decades I think AEW's future is pretty secure.
  3. I don't agree with that at all. WCW didn't go out of business because only one national pro wrestling company can exist. There's competition across all kinds of entertainment spectrums. Marvel & DC is the easiest one. WWE is more popular & profitable. But both companies are healthy & backed by billions. AEW will exist as long as Tony wants it to exist. Will it ever overtake WWE? Doesn't seem likely. But that doesn't mean they will have to close because of it.
  4. WWE has been safe vanilla Disney wrestling for awhile now. So I'm pretty intrigued to see if Punk sparks some danger or edge into the product. I think he'll be okay politically at least for a year or so. Nothing motivates that man like a grudge and I think he feels like the AEW Tony Khan grudge is the biggest one of his career now. Sure WWE fired him on his wedding day, but that mean Cowboy guy got to make a tame worker's rights joke at him & Luke Perry's kid had the audacity to say "that's real glass". The horror lol. This does make me wonder about the opposite world we could have gotten. Had TK thrown all of his support behind Punk and lost The Elite to WWE. I feel like that's what went wrong. TK wouldn't pick a side. He played both sides until it was too late and everybody resented him. A motivated Elite showing up in WWE would have been fun. Punk getting more control to mold AEW in his image to compete with his enemy would have been fun. To me this is the least fun outcome. The Elite stay in AEW and meander around. Punk goes to WWE and has to tone himself down to fit into the Disney product. Lose / lose outcome here. But I'm still gonna watch Raw for the first time in years just to see how much of a leash they give him on the mic. I hope it works out and Punk gets to end his career with a few positive fun years at the end.
  5. Losses help your draft pick spot, I get that. But I feel like picking up a few wins is a good thing for the current Giant's coaching regime. Those first 8 weeks Daboll was catching so much heat. The team was looking dead in the water to a point it may have had a negative mental effect. So I am more than good with them trying to win as many as you can. Save some face and pride for this coaching staff who just had a run of bad luck and try again next year. If you realllyyyyy want one of those top two QB picks you can always go and get them with a trade.
  6. Ya and it's made worse with the design of The Forum too. The hardcam shot wasn't packed with people for rows and rows and rows like normal. It has that weird close concourse with curtains. Made it look like there was a small crowd too. I think that was a big reason why they kept pulling back and going to wide shots to show the audience in full.
  7. You're making it harder than it has to be. TK also could have just made White give the belt back to MJF six weeks ago too if we look at it from your point of view. The thing is you have to look at it from the perspective TK isn't an authority figure. He's a match maker. He's not there to hand down punishments or "fix" anything. Swerve broke into a dudes house and intimidated the dude's kid and it was allowed to air on TV. Swerve broke into Nick Wayne's house and stabbed him with window glass and it as allowed to air on TV. This is all under the same umbrella. He's not going to strip MJF of the title unless he can't make the advertised PPV match. We didn't get far enough to say there was no replacement. It's entirely possible had Cole not come out, the "story" was White is being awarded the belt on a forfeit and defending it against someone new later. You reference the Punk thing but Punk didn't get the belt taken away because he didn't miss a scheduled PPV defense. He got hurt on a TV weeks away fro a PPV, so a match maker can make a new match with time to think and plan. TK ain't there to lay down the law in kayfabe (real life either actually lol). In kayfabe he's there to make money. MJF & Adam Cole make him money. It's entirely logical (to me) that he'd afford them extra wiggle room to make sure he keeps making money out of them. Same way legit crazy pro athletes get away with nonsense. Adam Cole is Ochocinco. MJF is TO. Punk was Antonio Brown tho, so he just had to go.
  8. A few other thoughts. Hangman and swerve fucking knocked it out of the park. I loved that match so so much. The violence. The storytelling. The spectacle. I have been super high on Swerve for awhile now. I hope he gets a noticeable move up the ladder here. I don;t know the hierarchy of the titles outside of the World Title. I don't feel like he's factored into the World Title plans currently but man they should pivot and get him a run. They Black Scorpion-ed themselves. When the devil first appeared I'm certain it was planned to be Cole. But Cole got hurt and the story has changed. And they definitely don't know the ending to the story as of now. I never expected a Devil reveal here. But a little surprised there wasn't any story interaction at all with it. Ospreay was obviously the only person the signing could be, like I said earlier in the week. The very specific wording TK used "someone AEW fans are very familiar with" clearly meant someone who had already wrestled for them. So people making all the guesses where just not paying enough attention. With that tho, I'm surprised he got such a pop coming out. Was such a forgone conclusion I'm genuinely surprised the audience was good with it. There's too many belts. What shall we do about it? Add another belt! What the fuck is a Continental Champion. Is it higher or lower than All-Atlantic. Is it higher or lower than International. Why is it getting grouped with AEW's developmental world title & New Japan's developmental world title. Is it officially recognized by NJ Strong or NJPW? Does calling a grouping of developmental world titles and a presumably mid-card AEW the triple crown make any sense at all? Just give the not-G1 winner a World Title Shot or something. This is confusing and weird and there's ALREADY TOO MANY BELTS. Gah. Fun show.
  9. I've seen so many people complaining about the booking here and people don't understand the nuance. Gong over most people's heads. So let's break it down. MJF got hurt in / immediately following a match. He didn't get jumped in the back. It wasn't some "out of bounds" in terms of kayfabe thing. There's no impetus to be allowed to run someone over with a car at an airport and become champion because of it. MJF doesn't have to work twice. He can forfeit the ROH tag belts to focus on the AEW world title but he does it because the titles mean a lot to their friendship. A sacrifice for their friendship. So the potential consequences of that are on him. Not AEW, in the kayfabe sense. Cole didn't work the match because he's hurt. Not that he wasn't allowed to work it by AEW. That he's hurt and chose not to. AEW let MJF use a replacement. MJF gets hurt and can't wrestle. Not that he wasn't allowed to work by AEW. He couldn't because it was so bad he had to go to the hospital. AEW let MJF use a replacement (same thing they allowed for the tag title match). Adam Cole is hurt and didn't want to do it, but because the world title means so much to MJF and he made him that promise, he decided to try and work the match. A sacrifice for their friendship. There's no logic inconsistencies with the story. People are projecting things into the story. AEW never said Adam Cole isn't allowed to work one match but is allowed to work the other match. From AEW's perspective he's allowed to wrestle, he just is hurt and letting MJF do it without him. MJF doesn't have to work twice. They both made the choices they did because the friendship means so much to them.
  10. I don't know why I am pitching this because I hate brand splits. But the only way to make multiple shows relevant is a brand split. Would WWE's viewership be as healthy as it is if all three shows were the same rosters and mostly the same identities? WWE has 7 first run hours. But it really doesn't feel like it. Because Raw has 3, Smackdown has 2, NXT has 2. You know the pool of talent that will possibly appear and which stories cold be focused on. When WWE killed the original brand split for a bit from 2014 - 2016 it made both shows feel less than (other than NXT which really thrived by having a different roster & format). Less titles were great. But 5 hours of thea main roster felt like a chore. And made Smackdown feel so irrelevant. That's kind of how AEW feels to me. They also technically have 7 hours of first run TV as well (counting ROH), but it all feels the same. It's a muddied. There's no identities. If done correctly I really think a brand split is the answer. Dynamite, Collision, ROH Rampage. 3 distinct rosters. 3 distinct set of stories. An A brand, a B brand, and a developmental brand. Yes it's similar to WWE's format. But if AEW is insistent that they need this much content you have to give purpose to that content. Scrap Battle of The Belts completely. Extend Rampage to two hours if necessary. Give it the real sports feel WWE never has. Make Dynamite Jericho & The Elite's hangout with a more WWE like sports entertainment presentation. Make Collision the show that's a gritty no nonsense brand anchored by BCC, HOB, & LFI kinda like 1992 WCW. ROH can still be the pure sport band. Rankings and handshakes lea heavy into technical wrestling One men's World Champion. He can appear on all 3 brands. One Women's World Champion. She can appear on all 3 brands. One set of World Tag Champions. They can appear on all 3 brands. One set of World Trios Titles. They can appear on all 3 brands. Dynamite gets the Men's International Title & Women's TBS Title. Collision gets The Men's TNT Title & Women's International Title. ROH Rampage gets The Men's Pure Champion & The Women's Pure Champion. Purpose. Parity. Identities. My DMs are open TK. Let's talk.
  11. For once, last minute fantasy tinkering worked in my favor. Pulled Burrow in favor of Purdy about 10 minutes before kickoff. That hand injury looks like it's gonna linger tho.
  12. I know it doesn't make sense to just blurt out Ospreay picked AEW. "ABP. Always be promoting." But the way it's worded doesn't really leave room for anyone else. I'm sure they'll be a swerve of some sort and two people signed or Ospreay "won't sign" or whatever. But this one isn't leaving room for much speculation.
  13. No thank you. In that regard AEW is already turning to the WWE model of content quantity over content quality. There's already 5 first run hours for AEW and 2 for ROH. No more programing please. Tighten up the stuff ya already got. We're almost to the point of like well Monday, Tuesdays, & Wednesdays are for promos and Thursdays, Fridays, & Saturdays are for matches. And Sundays are for PPVs. It's an MCU problem. Too much content dissuades people from keeping up with the stories. I know this is a wrestling forum full of wrestling fans, so my opinion might not be shared. But I miss the time where all AEW had was Dynamite. Yes their roster is huge and more people deserve shine. But what is the tipping point? 5 hours is already too many hours to support viewership. Collision and Rampage are doing 300k - 400k. Dynamite is getting 800k. Adding preshows isn't going to make any of those numbers go up.
  14. I know you mean this in a demeaning way, but The Black Scorpion was fun. The payoff wasn't good but the journey to get there was (for 1990 WCW at least). Except for the bad live magic skits lol. I know Ole slapped it together as a mockery, but he ended up proving the point he was mocking. Who was The Black Scorpion was a lot more compelling than the normal shit he was booking. Hopefully they already have the destination figured out and don't have to have it be Ric Flair too.
  15. Won't speak for anyone else but myself here but when I was musing about JB being a part of this he was never Devil mask guy in what I was picturing. Just another guy in the group. Cole has got to be Devil mask (unless they have a super creative swerve that people will love). I just figure this is a good spot to incorporate JB back into the show. Cole is the leader of The Kingdom. And The Kingdom is Cole, Roddy, Taven, Bennett, & Jack Perry. A way to do a surprise reveal that ends up being a fake out. I doubt we get the reveal as soon as Full Gear. Especially if Cole is involved. I just hope the 5th dude is Kyle O'Riley. I like O'Riley and think he has a higher ceiling as a baby coming back from such a rough injury.
  16. Just to follow up on the CW talk, it looks like they are / or at least were trying to do a block of multiple companies. They approached AEW in 2022 about a ROH deal and TK declined, wanting to package all the rights together at the same time when AEW's are up in 2024. So the talking point that NXT only got on the CW because NWA did that dumb coke spot isn't true. Tho the dumb coke spot costing NWA them their deal does appear to be true. (Even if their deal was just supposed to be an All Access reality show thing or that and an in ring show together).
  17. There's 4 henchmen plus Devil mask. Devil mask wasn't part of the attack, his face just flashed on screen. The only night Devil mask was part of the physical attack was the first night while Cole was still there (on crutches) right? Think they are doing their best to make the story they had planned out work via Cole being able to believably still be Devil mask. They just do Devil mask inserts now because he's at home. So Cole is Devil mask. Roddy & The Kingdom are 3 of the 4 henchmen. Is Jungleboy the other? Doesn't seem like he'd fit. I like a good who done it. But ya gotta stick the landing. The reveal can't be dudes with noticeably different builds or people no one cares about.
  18. I understand Gregg's thoughts on this (very detailed and coming from a place of knowledge which I really appreciate). But one thing that it doesn't seem like you considered in your breakdown is that NXT may not have the pull to get an exclusive deal. It might not have been one or the other. CW certainly could have been trying to build a wrestling block. Raw & Smackdown definitely have the pull to have exclusivity. It's entirely possible they just wanted to maximize the earnings for NXT and wouldn't have put the exclusivity into that all. In that circumstance it's entirely possible the coke spot could have caused them to pull a deal. I'm sure these big corporate entities also put fail safes in these huge money deals. A morality / moral turpitude clause would almost certainly be a component of it, and glorifying drug use could be a case for pulling that trigger. I actually agree with what you've laid out as being the mos likely scenario. Corgan had a meeting that he inflated the importance of an over shared to wresting media. CW probably met with him as a backup plan in case they couldn't land a WWE property. But it's not an absolute impossibility a deal could have been in the works and went south as it's been reported.
  19. How far off are we from the Marvel Spotlight was a waste of money posts? We need to separate MCU and Marvel Spotlight completely. Feige bought it with no real plan for it. Marvel Spotlight needs to be the developmental brand. Get the Marvel Spotlight characters off of MCU TV. (For those that don't understand this post, he posts all these same things about TK in the AEW forum in regards to ROH) lol.
  20. Lol not at all. Since his health problems he's become a shell of who he was as a speaker. Most often now he's kind of a mush-mouth and can't stay on target for a million dollars. Even still, there's value. It might end up with 50% trainwreck segments, but that other 50% could have some solid character growth for AEW talent. For instance this makes more sense than Big Show & Mark Henry signings at least.
  21. On screen? Sure I can agree with that. But he's one of the most recognizable wrestlers in the history of the business. There's a ton of ways to make money with him and off of his name that doesn't even require him to be on TV. Shirts, action figures, DLC for the game. Having a name TV & business to business execs will know and have heard of will always have value in negotiations. On screen I mean they can at least get as much use out of him as Arn & Tully & Jake. A random pre tape with MJF and Flair has character value for MJF. A random FTR promo with Flair or them needing him in their corner in Charlotte or Atlanta has value. Flair helping Andrade find his mojo has value. Flair doing promo shit with Lethal & Jarrett has value. There's things they could do that are worthwhile. I understand if he has worn out his welcome with people. That's totally fine to not enjoy him personally, but I find it pretty hard to believe all the people reacting negatively can't at least grasp the potential value he could bring even if you don't enjoy him personally.
  22. I'm okay with the Williams trade in the sense that he's on the last year of his deal and they didn't plan on keeping him for the price tag he's gonna want. Might as well get a 2 & a 5 for someone that's not gonna be there next year anyways. Gotta hit on that extra 2 tho.
  23. I'll accept that as an answer. That's at least SOME kind of explanation. If what happened in the Dak situation was actually wrong and the ref didn't need to pick the ball up and place it like he did there, then I can see how this drive by would hit the letter of the rule just barely. I find the inconsistency disingenuous at best. I don't think it's fair or right that The Jets center can spot the ball himself and just get a tap on the ball and all is well. I would feel that way even if The Giants got the lucky break. A player should not be able to place the ball where he thinks it should go. How it happened to Dak is how it should have to work, regardless of the time crunch.
  24. I've noticed a move towards more sports entertainment language too. But I disagree that the name matters more than the outcome of the move. Calling a Brainbuster by name doesn't tell a story or accentuate the psychology of why a move was done or what part of the body was hurt. I'd liken it to NFL announcers just deadpan rattling off the names of plays instead of describing what just happened or how that impacts the game. What tells more of the story? Saying Saquon Barkley with a trap play to the right. Saquon Barkley with a draw up the middle. Saquon Barkley with a counter to the left side. Or saying look at Saquon Barkley spinning away from defenders and exploding though the hole with incredible speed. Think this is one of those too in the bubble takes. In a perfect world you blend the two together. But describing what happened and why is a lot more important than just listing off move names. Especially since that would get old over the course of an entire show. How many times should they say he hit a Canadian Destroyer in the same broadcast? Throwing in explanations like he spiked him right on his head or oh god the impact on his neck is going to make it hard for him to kick out is story telling. Saying he hit a Canadian Destroyer eventually loses it's effectiveness and it just becomes listing off move names like a top ten list, which isn't very engaging.
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