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Becky is a face. Chanting "YES!" at a heel turn is shit 100% of the time.

According to Prichard the commentary has been produced to some degree since the late 80s. I think Vince's pronoun thing is more about branding/marketing, like having everyone say the full phrase "Roadblock: End of the Line" multiple times every single promo leading up to that show to differentiate it from the Roadblock that took place earlier that year.

This is in no way confined to "back in the day."

People like to pretend they personally know wrestlers based on something they read in WON 15 years ago. They will likely be hitting those same talking points in the "RIP JBL" thread. Don't sleep on the pre-nWo Jimmy Hart "heel behind Sting's back" run.

I get the set-up, he was just never close to being in position for a sunset flip. That and he lost to Orton with the exact same spot at least three times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mLgjoAFJxs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuNbqNVdgdY I like Christian most of the time, but that made him look really stupid.

That's the main reason I'm not as high on those Christian-Orton matches as some. I'm pretty sure that's not even the only one that ended that way.

Yeah, I always hate that. A similar spot is the "Sure, I'll jump into an RKO."

He did win a tag title this year.

Separate gif thread for people that insist on posting full match videos?

I hope that's not a swerve. If I wanted to watch old ROH, I'd go watch old ROH.

The idea that Triple H saw a design for a crown, and said "no, this is all wrong...come back when you have an iron cross on there" is 2003 level insanity.

Lots and lots of stretching here, but the main problem with this is that it would have derailed the NWO angle, which was way better and far more successful than any angle with Giant could possibly have been.

I wasn't suggesting it's Gable's fault at all. He's done everything he can with what's been given to him. It just seems like a waste of a first round match when it's clear they don't have any plans for him. Especially since his "big win" was against Shelton, who is similarly heatless because of their bad booking. It doesn't elevate him in the slightest.

I like Gable, but he is not at all over and has no business in the second round. Of course, none of this is going to matter when we all watch them crown King Corbin.

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Conrad announced it on Bischoff's show yesterday.

It doesn't, but that's also been Becky on Twitter for the last year or so.

Go ahead and compare WWE's falling numbers directly to WCW's falling numbers in 2000. The dropoff is nowhere close. Nobody turned on Jarrett because nobody gave a fuck. If you want to define what you think the "goalposts" of this conversation are, I'll address those too, but it sounds like you just want to bitch about modern WWE some more when the conversation we're having is about Jeff Jarrett.

2000 WCW fans didn't go buy WCW tickets to boo Jarrett. They just changed the channel.

It's either: "Fuck this company because they don't listen to what fans want." or "Fuck this company because when they listen to what the fans want, they don't look far enough into the future to realize that what the fans want is actually a shitty idea." It cannot be both. They either listen or they don't. The fans booed Reigns relentlessly to the point that WWE was worried about his crowning moment. As a result, the booking was changed to something other than Reigns getting his crowning moment. The fans are partially responsible for that decision because they made the decision to reject Reigns by booing him out of the building. Nobody forced them to do that. This isn't an arguable opinion. It's history. Let's move on from it.

Your point, which you are belaboring, is that the booking sucks, which I never disagreed with. My point that you continue to look past is that in the particular example used, the fans are also accountable. The half-empty arenas also aren't new - which goes to my point that not enough fans are voting with their wallet to enact a significant change.

So does every 619.

The Rollins cash-in. That specific booking decision was made based on fan reaction; The fans are partially responsible for that specific booking decision. To suggest that the fans have no power over booking isn't accurate. It was the second Mania main event in a row to be altered because of crowd reaction. If the cycle wasn't [watch WWE show] -> [shit on WWE show online] -> [continue to watch WWE shows], the I'd argue that the fans could have a lot more power than they already do. Many seem unwilling to vote with their wallet by cancelling their Network subscription, not going to live events (including NXT), not buying merch, and not contributing to their YouTube views and social media numbers. If WWE is hemorrhaging fans (and they aren't - at least not to a significant enough degree), they will make changes. The Saudi and FOX deals are stop-gaps that won't save them if their fan base disappears.

Sure - but you said you would have had Reigns go over in the Mania match against Brock to "make" him, and that's really easy to say in hindsight. It would have been a universally unpopular decision at the time to the point that the plans were changed. The fans do bear some responsibility for that particular booking decision because it was based on their reactions.

SK is often wrong about blaming the fans, but that Mania finish was *absolutely* a response to fan backlash. It may have been a stupid response, but without the fans' rejection of Reigns he would have gone over there. The booking clearly led there, but the loudest portion of the fans had no interest in seeing Reigns "made" as soon as he won the Rumble instead of Bryan. And your Undertaker fantasy booking is really only effective if you're trying to make him top heel, not top face.