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See I'm gonna be the odd vote and say that I thought Gunther/Ciampa underdelivered. Gunther/Walter always ends up having to wrestle from underneath more than he should against Ciampa and while that worked in the context of their NXT match (where Ciampa was a former champ and not a lot of people were watching NXT UK) it stuck out like a sore thumb here where Gunther is the longest reigning IC champ of all time and Ciampa is basically an undercarder.

So I need help on that 8 person tag, I don't watch ROH but I keep tabs of what's generally going on there and... that's a funky face/heel mix, right?

@SirFozzie Thank you but the codes/links for Superliminal and Shotgun King didn't go through, it just tried to unsuccessfully double up the ones for Frog Detective 2 and Valfaris instead. Still thanks for the ones that did go through successfully, I think tomorrow I'm gonna make a run at the Frog Detective games as they seem like a nice antidote to the rainy day it's supposed to be.

I gotta be honest, I am legit surprised there isn't an elaborate Weekend At Bernie's situation going on right now. I'm not even entirely joking.

I think there is also a simple truth here: the ceiling for a woman wrestler is much higher in WWE than it is in AEW, pretending otherwise is just silly and doesn't really benefit anyone. I guess one could argue she should have danced around it a bit more but... even if most here are wrong and she was actually taking a shot it's a shot they would have earned.

So a couple months back when @SirFozzie started this topic the following was written: Well I grabbed a few back then... but it has been a while without most of these being claimed so if it isn't much of a bother I'd like to try the following: Chicken Police - Paint it RED! Etherborn Frog Detective 1: The Haunted Island Frog Detective 2: The Case of the Invisible Wizard Superliminal Valfaris Shotgun King: The Final Checkmate

I read a lot of the "well A should hire B and do C with them" around and most of it is in good fun and reasonable enough but like... I feel a lot of people haven't seen Shelton in a while? Dude's 48 and has little of his athleticism left, he has enough general knowledge to still be okay but like... he does not have a Jeff Jarret level of shtick that he can dig into to keep up. His current ceiling is probably where he was with Cedric, being teamed up with a younger guy who can do much of the heavy lifting, or a low card vet working with the very green so they can get comfortable reps. I've seen multiple people independently go "Shelton should join the BCC" and like... no. That time has passed.

FWIW I had most of their Twitch stream on in the background and the roster breakdown bit from the reddit post is 100% fiction, they said zero of it. They then got annoyed with reddit making up stuff they were saying so they told everyone watching to go post even more ridiculous BS there. They also then called SRS on stream to have him refute the particularly stupid Riddle/Gunther bit from it, which was pretty funny.

I said elsewhere that I'm just glad Owen Hart was smarter about this than Fenix was >_>

My thought is that it is sad Francis has to leave UFC and take this fight to be paid fair value, but go get that money!

FWIW Jade Cargill is one of the AEW wrestlers I'd most like to see benefit from having to work a few house show loops, so this might not be the worst move for her to make. I'm not a fan of Natalya but if Jade gets stuck with her for a few weeks/a month working a few times a week that's probably the best way to see how much more in-ring progress she can make.

Looked at the PWI 500 and... 58) Tyrus 59) Powerhouse Hobbs If I was Hobbs I'd be so cross right now >_>

I think dealing with your women's roster being particularly injured at the moment by signing Nia Jax is one of the most galaxy brained ideas I've heard of in a while. I guess when you have the chance to re-sign someone no one missed and who was actively poor for the last third of her run and injured people throughout you gotta take it.

I feel you are also missing that he failed two drug tests in the past 13 months and was told point blank to go to rehab or be released (according to reports). If that person then ends up in an incident where he was seemingly publicly intoxicated to the degree cops were called... yeah, I think losing his job is possibly on the table. At the very least it seems very likely that he needs some sort of help and should maybe not be wrestling atm regardless.

This is where the lack of an over budget battle royal is truly felt...

I think Darby doing the whole hesitating "I don't know if I can do it" spiel for his neat but not all that violent finish is the dumbest thing he's ever done, and I've seen him a back body drop from the ring into the guardrail on the way to the floor. Following it up with stomping Wayne in the head repeatedly until the match is stopped may have been worse. Maybe this is just on me but this whole deal only works when used very sparingly and it has not been recently, heck it cropped up multiple times in a ppv main event in the same company a week and a half ago. I guess it's only fair that Bret Hart has one thing living on today to make things much more annoying to make up for the half dozen I regularly blame on HBK. Anyways other than that things were fine.

People keep saying this about Swerve and yet he keeps eating losses all the time.

I think there is a larger question here re: Collision, as we never figured out the exact chicken and egg situation with regards to "hey we want to bring Punk back" and "hey, let's put a second main show on Saturdays". Short-term it'll keep chugging along (sadly against college football for the next few months) but with Punk gone and TV contract talks coming up I don't take it as a 100% certainty that it's gonna continue on indefinitely.

I've seen people around saying stuff like this and it is funny but... the guy did main event the prior ppv. Doesn't make him a main eventer, but it also means he just isn't some random low carder. Perhaps he should be (I vote yes), but that's an argument for another day.

I mean, wasn't the initial story the Punk side? It lacked the whole "maybe knocked monitors on boss, screamed at him and threatened to not wrestle" part which is what I'd expect his version to not include/focus on.

The vast majority of what Shams, Woj and Shefter report is glorified press releases between some heavy water carrying. Meltz might actually be a better "journalist" than the three of them, and I don't mean that in a complementary way.

I think this issue is that if you run the angle they have with OC, that is with him getting more and more beat up by constant defenses, you kinda hard bake in an end date that will only make everything that took place beforehand worse in retrospect if you go too far past. If say we start '24 and Orange is still champ then all those early injuries will just seem like nothing, it doesn't even really exist as a functional narrative at that point. It's probably already gone on a bit too long and has been saved by how good OC has been... but it's time. I think he can still get by Mox if need be, but September should be where he falls.

So I just noticed that while I visit dvdvr on the secure https site the topics I click on seem to alternate between the http and https versions almost at random (I thought it might be related to how old the original post is but that didn't seem to pan out). If anyone knows why this is happening I'd love to know.

I think many of you are overthinking this. Jack Perry, as annoying as he seems to be, as far as anyone is aware hasn't gotten into backstage altercations with much of anyone his entire career. CM Punk seems to be getting into "heated discussions", backstage fights and what have you fairly frequently, like if someone wants to name who in the business is currently doing so more than him they are free to but I can't name anyone off the top of my head. Like approaching half a dozen people haven't been allowed into the building while he works there in the past couple months alone, I assume it was being done so for a reason. I get there is multiple sources with competing stories but like really... if you remove the names from those two descriptions we'd all probably go with the latter being the one most likely to have escalated things to a needless physical degree. I think Perry is mediocre as hell and comes off like a jerk and Punk was in a bunch of matches I thought were swell but we don't really need dozens of reports and different sources and such to divine who is the troublemaker and the problem, the whole "he said/he said" I just don't know which side to believe only really works when both options are similarly likely. In this situation they aren't.

I don't know what you are all talking about, this seems in line with every other ROH ppv they have run... whispering in ear ...Oh, I see. Carry on then.