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You say that but DOA was over as babyfaces in a lot of towns. Probably cause of the bikes (which makes the American Badass stuff a couple years later kinda fascinating in hindsight), but they would get cheered whenever they would just randomly fight people. I guess they just happened to be the de facto babyfaces out of those stables. I know there was an idea that never went into the planning stages where Sable and Austin were suppose to be an item cause their brief interaction got some cheers. However, I wonder when DOA started to get those babyfaces pops briefly if they would have ever done something with DOA being Austin's backup. I am guessing Austin being the ultimate lone wolf would have not made make any sense, but they always gave Austin random tag team partners. Like that one time Billy Gunn tagged with him.

I think even if Doc had won Brawl for All or at least looked respectable, it would have been hard to naturally transition him to feuding with Austin cause Austin was so red hot. Hell, even the winner of the tournament who knocked out everyone except one person came out of the tournament cold. Austin would have nixed that one immediately if Vince didn't. Steve Austin wouldn't be out here taking Backdrop Drivers any damn way. Yeah, it would have been best to just keep Doc out of the tournament and find some bullshit way to make him seem tough. Hell, they gave some reasons certain people pulled out of the tournament or didn't participate at all. They could have done the same with Dr. Death.

Honestly, there are a lot of guys who fit that label especially as the 90s rolled on. I don't think anyone would say Doc was washed up by the time he came in. Older, probably.

Yep. I am still trying to figure out why that group was a thing in the first place when the person who was actually South African and like a legit actor who was suppose to be a mouthpiece lasted only three months. The funny thing is....they never feuded with the black stable cause they were themselves were heels. Couldn't feud with the Puerto Rican group cause they're heels as well. At Gang Warz in Montreal, their match was against the "skinhead" group. I guess it was for control of the White Supremacist sect in wrestling. I dunno.

The only real time I remember him is his debut which was done to complete silence cause 90% of the crowd didn't learn about Apartheid in South Africa or was born after it was ending/ended. He cut a few short promos on Raw and that was pretty much it before Callis replaced him. However, it's crazy that he was the 1st victim of the "we need you to be able to wrestle even though we hired you to just manage".

Different African country, but I am surprised there ain't been a King Leopold II type character in wrestling. I guess Colonel DeBeers was the closest. That reminds me that I believe Scorsese was once attached to a movie about King Leopold II and that was several years ago. Man, if folks think Killers of the Flower Moon is fucked up....OH BOY.

That's a larger argument though. Every wrestler is disingenuous. Then shit, why are we taking anyone serious here in the first place? Is Foley a nice guy? He's nicer than most. However, I am not judging him by that. I am judging by what I know of him. On his podcast, he's only talked about Gordy in ways that only be construed as nice. I believe he told that same story on Foley is Pod months ago for the King of the Death Match ep. Here? He's only on a show where there are six or seven other talking heads and they're stripping away 2-3 hour interviews with each person and condensing them in what is probably 5 minute bites from everyone. Hell, even the way that particularly is inserted into the episode, it's weird. I think what Mick is referencing is pre OD and they put it in after that part. However, that is literally EVERY episode of Dark Side and the Tales from the Territory shows as well. If this was an episode where only Mick was interviewed, then someone might have a halfway decent complaint but they don't.

Damn, Payton Talbott just smoked Cameron Saaiman.

We had a discussion on this not too long ago when it came that it might not be the best match. IIRC I think I said something to effect of it being a good match that's elevated to a great match purely on the storyline having rewatched at the time the discussion happened. It's kinda hard to transport yourself back to 1991, but there is a reason why multiple promotions try to recreate the two guys need to go forever and do multiple nearfalls template. Steamboat/Savage is just a game of let's have fun and do as many quick nearfalls as possible. Warrior/Savage is trying to play out the drama. I mean I understand why people would feel Hogan vs. Warrior at VI is Warrior's best match, but goddamn if that isn't by far Warrior's best individual performance that made you believe ok say what you will about Jim Hellwig as a person and worker but his WWF title run wouldn't have been a flop if he could be that type of storyteller he was against Savage that night.

Since today is the anniversary of the show, posting one of my favorite spots ever. The Free for All version with Farooq shouting, "THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MESS WITH FAROOOOOOOOOQQQQ!" is the absolute best.

Here is the template for this week: BONUS EVENT #1 Matchroom Boxing on DAZN: Smith vs. Zepeda (03/23/2024) - Sheffield, England, United Kingdom (Utilita Arena) Dalton Smith vs. Jose Zepeda - Smith, DEC WBO Female Welterweight Championship: Sandy Ryan vs. Terri Harper - Ryan, DEC Campbell Hatton vs. Jimmy Joe Flint - Hatton, DEC Ishmael Davis vs. Troy Williamson - Davis, DEC Nico Leivars vs. Piotr Mirga - Leivars, DEC Leli Buttigieg vs. Bartlomiej Stryczek - Buttigieg, TKO, R3 Liam Cameron vs. Hussein Itaba - Cameron, TKO R1 Connan Murray vs. Edgar Kemsky - Murray, DEC EVENT #27 LFA 179: Neto vs. Antunes (03/23/2024) - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Arena 1 at Parque Olímpico) Geraldo Neto vs. Vanilto Antunes - Neto, TKO, R2 José Delano vs. Alan Villalba - Delano, DEC Felipe Oliveira vs. Caio Machado - Machado, DEC Michael Oliveira vs. Dallys Moraes Gama - Oliveira, TKO, R1 Erick Viscondi vs. João Pedro Saldanha - VIscondi, SUB, R2 Augusto Matias vs. Richard Martins - Martins, TKO, R2 EVENT #28 UFC Fight Night on ESPN 53: Ribas vs. Namajunas (03/23/2024) - Las Vegas, NV (UFC Apex) Amanda Ribas vs. Rose Namajunas - Namajunas, DEC Karl Williams vs. Justin Tafa - Williams, DEC Edmen Shahbazyan vs. A.J. Dobson - Shahbazyan, TKO, R2 Payton Talbott vs. Cameron Saaiman - Saaiman, DEC Billy Quarantillo vs. Youssef Zalal - Quarantillo, DEC Luis Pajuelo vs. Fernando Padilla - Pajuelo, TKO, R2 Trey Ogden vs. Kurt Holobaugh - Ogden, DEC Ricardo Ramos vs. Julian Erosa - Ramos, TKO, R2 Miles Johns vs. Cody Gibson - Johns, DEC Steven Nguyen vs. Jarno Errens - Nguyen, TKO, R2 Montserrat Rendon vs. Darya Zheleznyakova - Rendon, DEC Igor Severino vs. André Lima - Lima, DEC Mohammed Usman vs. Mick Parkin - Parkin, DEC The Saturday events deadline is March 23, 1:30 p.m. CT.

UFC Fight Night on ESPN 53: Ribas vs. Namajunas March 23, 2024 Las Vegas, NV (UFC Apex) Amanda Ribas (125.5) vs. Rose Namajunas (125.5) - Namajunas, DEC (unanimous) Karl Williams (246.5) vs. Justin Tafa (264.5) - Williams, DEC (unanimous) Edmen Shahbazyan (186) vs. A.J. Dobson (185.5) - Shahbazyan, KO (punches), R1 (4:43) Payton Talbott (135.5) vs. Cameron Saaiman (135) - Talbott, TKO (punches), R2 (0:21) Billy Quarantillo (145.5) vs. Youssef Zalal (146) - Zalal, SUB (rear naked choke), R2 (1:50) Luis Pajuelo (145) vs. Fernando Padilla (145) - Padilla, SUB (anaconda choke), R1 (2:45) ESPN+ Preliminary Card: Trey Ogden (155.5) vs. Kurt Holobaugh (155.5) - Ogden, DEC (unanimous) Ricardo Ramos (145.5) vs. Julian Erosa (146) - Erosa, SUB (guillotine choke), R1 (2:15) Miles Johns (136) vs. Cody Gibson (135.5) - Johns, DEC (unanimous) Steven Nguyen (145) vs. Jarno Errens (144.5) - Errens, DEC (unanimous) Montserrat Rendon (135) vs. Darya Zheleznyakova (135.5) - Zheleznyakova, DEC (unanimous) Igor Severino (125) vs. André Lima (126) - Lima, DQ (biting), R2 (2:52) Mohammed Usman (237) vs. Mick Parkin (262.5) - Parkin, DEC (unanimous) Event Bonuses ($50,000) Performance of the Night: Fernando Padilla Performance of the Night: Payton Talbott Fight of the Night: Steven Nguyen vs. Jarno Erren

So if Giulia is gone after a handful of months, is going to be the MIRAI and Utami show? With Utami, I am worried if she can be the same wrestler she was a couple years ago. Outside a handful of matches and brief flashes here and there, I haven't seen someone who is ready for that spot. And that's coming from someone who has a very high opinion of her. It's going to very important how they pad out the roster especially if they cannot really exploit Giulia vs. Utami as a long term program. Is it going to be a lot of co-promotion/freelancer usage or is Rossy just going to pilfer where he can?

Well, you will find I am one of many cause you ain't talking about jackshit if this is ANY indication.

I mean timeline wise, he had to be 40+ at least. Jesse and Festus was WAY WAY long ago. I mean he would have to have been a teenager or barely in his 20s to still be in his 30s. Plus, I remember hearing about him right around his dad's passing. So yeah, 45 sounds about right. He was also working NWA Wildside. If you worked in Wildside, you got to be pretty old.

Point out what I said was absurd. You're whole issue if you can't discuss something related to the subject being discussed. If that ain't absurdity, then I dunno what is. Again...have you seen the show? It's not gossip if the entire show is centered around people discussing things they personally weren't there for, dummy. Was Cornette on the plane with Gordy when he OD'd? He wasn't. I guess we got to shit on him too. Also, where did I say he deserves it? He OVERDOSED. What did you think happened? He had a bad reaction to Flintstone vitamins? He had an allergic reaction to the peanuts on the plane. His drug use has been notoriously documented pre Dark Side of the Ring. Even his kids said he wasn't a boy scout. It seems they are very acclimated to the idea their dad not being a saint. Shit, Ray was in the business when guys were still doing somas like people eating Tic Tacs so he cannot exactly say much to contradict anything. Those two shot directly out his nutsack and both work or have worked in the business. If they can have that stance and be perfectly fine with stating the naked truth, especially as people who know how crazy wrestling is, then what anyone said on the show should not have that reaction. Are they bad, passive aggressive people now? They were speaking for their dad, and they weren't exactly defending him tooth and nail. If anything you can tell Ray as the oldest understood that his father's problems and drug usage directly impacted his parental skills and that itself led to not really having a relationship with his dad UNTIL he was out of the business.

Don't deflect like you've been doing. Go ahead and answer. Is everyone on the show lying? Because we sit here and try to nitpick what ONE person said. What about literally everyone else on the show? Is them saying that he wasn't right mentally after he OD a lie? Cause it's either a fact or lies. Hell, the fact you can even OD on a plane even pre September 11, 2001 is insane. How many plane OD stories have we heard? Cause I've heard all the soma stories but that was not on public transportation. That was going from town to town with the other boys and not with civilians.

Was what I said not factual? Did all those things in the show not happen? Cause apparently not only myself but others who watched the show saw something entirely different. Are his kids lying? Is his nephew lying? Is everyone else on the show lying?

THEY SHOULD CAUSE IT'S A SHOW CALLED DARK SIDE OF THE RING, DUMMY. What do you want to them to say on DARK SIDE OF THE RING? I have punched holes into everything you've said, but you cannot properly counter anything. Hell, if you can find anyone who agrees with your drivel, I might give you a hundred bucks. So yeah, someone might be a little precarious about some dumbass being offended about something so innocuous. His children said he was a bad father. Are they burying their dad? They show Terry Gordy showing clear signs of brain damage. How is that better regarding Terry Gordy's legacy than what Foley said? People called him a big manchild. How is that protecting Terry Gordy? They did a renactment of him headbutting a cop car. Is that protecting Terry Gordy? What sane person does that? There are literally countless examples I can point out where Terry Gordy wasn't painted in the greatest of lights. But Mick Foley is somehow the biggest offender.

The whole reason celebs or public figures can't just simply sue EVERYONE for libel is as you stated DOCUMENTATION. That and you obviously can spin stuff as satire. However, once documentation is provided, then what else is needed? That has nothing to due with a right to privacy. We're not talking about the paparazzi following someone in the grocery store or TMZ following something in the airport. Terry Gordy has been dead for how long now? 20+ years? What privacy are we protecting? HE'S DEAD. That and his life is being DOCUMENTED on a documentary series that's literally about the worst aspects of peoples live. I dunno if you ever seen a documentary before, but I guess apparently not. And at no point did I say he deserve it. Also, I dunno what the fuck you mean by deserve it cause again it's a documentary series. The subject is Terry Gordy. It wasn't like it was about Bill Dundee and then Mick said something about Terry Gordy. On a show centered around him (Terry Gordy) OD ing on plane, Mick Foley told a relevant story about man's drug usage....much like people on that episode talked about and other episodes of Dark Side. The fuck are you talking about kicking dirt on his grave? His children talked about the destructive life he led. So he did his nephew. So did everyone else who knew him. And yes, I can compare it to Slick Johnson because Slick shared a story 100% more embarrassing than the story Mick and others told cause if we didn't know hearsay about Buff's life, his story wouldn't be valid. Much like if we didn't know Terry Gordy was a drug addict, other stories people here on DVDVR or through countless shoot interviews wouldn't be valid. For 15-20 years, people talked about Buff's mom shaving his balls. However, 9 out of 10 people WEREN'T there much like Miranda Gordy or Ray Gordy talking about their dad headbutting a goddamn a cop car llke a brute. They weren't there. Shit, 50% of the stories on Dark Side...folks weren't there, are misremembering things and changing timelines, or speaking on stuff that was passed down. Hell, Tales from the Territory, roughly 1/2 of that was guys speaking about folks who weren't even in the territory at the same times. However, much like this episode, as this guy wrestled so long ago and roughly a quarter of his contemporaries are dead or can't simply be there you get a mish mash of everything. So I dunno how you made it this long on Dark Side of the Ring. You probably should have quit like...maybe 3 or 4 seasons ago.

That's not gossip. He routinely did drugs on a plane. That's a fact. I've heard no less than four or five stories about Gordy doing drugs on a plane. Mick's story is just one. Gordy wasn't the only guy who did drugs on a plane. He just happened to be the one who OD'd THUS we get an entire episode on it. Again, it's called DARK SIDE OF THE RING. Even these random Biography shows and adjacent documentary programming cover salacious items. What Mick said wasn't even that. Not even halfway. Even you said you don't disagree with him. Roughly 75 percent of the show is about Gordy being this manchild (their words, not mine) who got into wrestling perhaps too young to develop any proper social skills and life skills (even his kids pointed out he literally couldn't do anything), had a massive life changing event, and he spent the remaining time on Earth after that struggling mightily. That footage they showed was absolutely heartbreaking. They literally picked bits and pieces to provide the context to the heartbreaking details. What Mick provided was levity if anything cause boy was that footage damning on how the wrestling industry spits and chews people out and enables their worst habits from sexual deviancy, drug use, racism, sexism, bigotry, and various types of disturbing behavior. A guy like Terry Gordy couldn't exist in today's wrestling because he would get in, screw up immediately, and then be cast down to work in the indies in anonymity for the rest of his career. If you want just general details, you're probably just safe reading Wikipedia entries. Dark Side of the Ring might not be for you. Keep in mind, last week, Slick Johnson shared stories about Buff and his crazy ball shaving mama. Yet, Marcus Bagwell is alive and he didn't seem too embarrassed cause he himself said his mom loved him enough to do anything for him. I am 100% certain if Gordy was alive, he would laugh his ass off cause the stories of him in Dallas at the house the Freebirds lived at made Foley's story some shit on Barney. I am surprised they left THAT part out. He lived a very crazy life. Guess what happened? It bit him in the ass. Now if he didn't OD, you might halfway have a point even if the rest would still be absolutely asinine. Except he did, unfortunately. They talked about it on show. The end.

When did VICE which covers the DARK SIDE in every industry and shows some of the most graphic and disturbing things become PBS children's shows? The whole thing about Vice especially if you saw there HBO shows is they cover EVERYTHING.

Well if I was a drug addict who OD'd on a FUCKING plane and got brain damage, then yeah I don't think i can fault them very much. THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, MAN? Are you high? The throughline for the ENTIRE episode is his drug use which resulted in a life changing OD. Perish the thought someone talk about it.