Kuetsar

Let's set the over under on the first sunday of December for him getting hurt again; I'll take the over, but just barely. . . Well I guess I called it.. . .

He spent most of his career in Toronto, what are you expecting? Name a better pitcher from 00-09. If you are the best pitcher of a decade, you'll get in, and I can't think of many who have a case against him. Most likely, and I won't deny I am somewhat obsessed with magic numbers.

He fall into the Hall of Really good, but not Fame for me,just falls too short on wins for me. . .

I'm not opposed to that. . .though for some reason we care alot more about HR's than SB's so Lou Brock and Cobb are steaming. . . .

no the roid use is the only reason he stayed on the field long enough to get to that many home runs. Go look at hall of famers life time hits, and his lifetime hits put him at about the same number as Chance.,not that he's the same player. So if you go by nothing other than a single cherry-picked counting stat, then their careers are "around the same level". Fucking hell, you didn't even get THAT part right. McGwire had 1626 total hits vs Chance's 1288. Are you capable of making an argument that cites actual numbers rather than just vaguely hints at them? What other stats "aren't enough"? He had a .394 career OBP. That's better than Joe Morgan had. On the career offensive WAR leaderboard, he's right in between two HOFers, Johnny Bench and Jesse Burkett. His adjusted OPS+ is better than Mays'. He's on the top 40 in career walks. You were originally attempting to make the case that he wasn't even a better version of Dave Kingman. I confused Chance with Tinker and Evers, Oops. . .

My argument was that era and steroids included he was extremely similar, and given those advantages, perhaps he's a little better but not much. You said he's a better version of Kingman, and I conceded the point . Here's those stat by the way, career hits are 1626, which if inducted, would put him between Rizzuto and Buck ewing, below Tinker, Evers, cochrane, Greenberg and even Rick Ferrell. By the way that's would be good for 135th place among hall of famers. Now for doubles, which for a power hitter should be high right? No. just 252 for him, good for 133rd place and measured against hall of famers, would have him sandwiched between Joe gordon and Tinker. RBI, 45th place amongst HOF, between jim Bottomly and Robin Yount. His 1167 runs? Good for 100th place between Chuck Klein and Billy Herman. Games played would be 1874, good for 103rd, between kiki cuyler and Bobby Doer. His 62.0 War? Would put him at 74th place , between Home run Baker and Jackie Robinson. No speed to speak of at all. Now for those stats that benefit him. 1317 BB's which put him at 23rd place, very respectable, between Murray and Luke Appling. His 1596 strikeouts would put him at 9th highest, put between WInfield and Mccovey, not a disgraceful place given the sluggers in the top ten. His BA is 153rd, tied with Jocko Conlon and one point above reggie Jackson. His .394 OBP, good for 37th, tied with Cap Anson and Frank Chance. His career .588 slugging puts him at 6th place, between Greenberg and Dimaggio. his hrs of course are good for 5th place between Killebrew and frank Robinson. .982 OPS, puts him at 6th, between Hornsby and Mantle. 12 All Star games out of 16 seasons is certainly nothing to sneeze at. He hits HRs at a titantic clip, and slugged the ball. If that one skill or two depends on semantics. His career levels at all other accumulated stats put him at very low levels. Lest I be accused of cherry picking these stats, they are from baseball-reference.com, and I simply compared his levels vs hall of famer level. I contend that the HRs are not nearly as impressive as it would appear, given the lowered mound, dilution of pitching from expansion, and the fact that he's an admitted steroid user. For me that's not good enough to make the hall of fame, and not a completely unfair comparison to Dave Kingman. If you want to put him in with sosa to celebrate 1998, that's a different argument to me, and not a compelling one, for me at least seeing at least part of that achievement came from a bottle.

no the roid use is the only reason he stayed on the field long enough to get to that many home runs. Go look at hall of famers life time hits, and his lifetime hits put him at about the same number as Chance.,not that he's the same player. He's a HR hitter,with a low average, and not enough other stats to make up the difference. I just dont think being a better version of dave kingman is enough to get in.

No one ever bought a ticket to see Dave Kingman. Please explain why no team in baseball wanted Kingman when still in his prime and McGwire was loved by both teams he played for? Kuetsar: If Big Mac is so one-dimensional, how come he's a respected hitting coach? Numbers don't lie, and no hitter with less than 2000 hits should sniff Cooperstown. Not a big fan of Travis Jackson, Sam Crawford, Jimmy Collins, Home Run Baker, or Gabby Hartnett, eh? There are quite a few more with less than 2000 career hits. An important thing to evaluate is "What was the player's job?" Now if it was to get on first, then we have to say that Big Mac wasn't very effective, however, to my knowledge, he never batted lead off or second. His job was to drive in runs. That he did with flying colors having one of the highest extra-base hit ratios of any player. Think about it for second, a third of the time he got a hit it wasn't just for extra bases, it was a friggin home run. I was able to watch his entire career and while there were several better hitters during his era, he gave pitchers nightmares. It was all or nothing when pitching to him, and if you didn't strike him out, he would hurt you by getting on base or knocking the ball out of the park. If he got in, his career hits put him around the evers and chance level. He is in the hall of the very good, not HOF level. The HRS are a nice stat, mitigated by the fact he played an entire career with a needle in his ass.

At this point in the season, almost all of us do to various degrees. . .

He might be the qb of the future, but not today. . .fuck

Maybe Snyder will back up the armored car to malzone at auburn, extension be damned. . .

Stay classy dc. . .

If Philly goes for a fg here their insane. . . . .

If he fires shanny before the end of year and then the interim doesn't stick it could be nine . . .

No one ever bought a ticket to see Dave Kingman. Please explain why no team in baseball wanted Kingman when still in his prime and McGwire was loved by both teams he played for? Kuetsar: If Big Mac is so one-dimensional, how come he's a respected hitting coach? Numbers don't lie, and no hitter with less than 2000 hits should sniff Cooperstown.

Whoop, gotta catch it cleanly foles. . .

I hope they don't have time to clear the field at half.

Im beginning to think that the Bills aren't getting to 8-8. . . .

Just from a shits and giggles standpoint, I want a 0-0 tie in Philly. . .

Normally I'd make fun of the lion for fumbling, but it's a wonder anyone can hold on to the ball. Plus fuck chip Kelly. . ...

Okay I take back almost everything bad I've ever said about Stafford, he's got a hellva gun.

Of course, their "classy". . . .

You know I keep looking for thurman running in Philly, as this reminds me of Bills games of eras past, back before payday Toronto games in December. If either foles or Stafford goes over 200, they should change their name to anne Sullivan

In these conditions it's going to be hard for any qb to throw the ball, so this could be a marvelous clusterfuck.

Because when I think Fox, I think class