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This can't be good. My understanding is they weren't really profitable even before the pandemic... I really respect the hell out of Billy Corgan for trying to do something different (in wrestling; Zwan is a different story). Maybe he ends up selling to someone and makes a few bucks on whatever tape libraries are part of it (Houston?)

Cocaine. I say this because this sounds awfully like that wild Rick James kidnapping story from years ago

Who gets drunk and tries to fight the MMA guys? I've got Hager for obvious reasons, Janela, again for obvious reasons, possibly Jericho since he doesn't mind a cocktail, and I'll take Jack Evans as my dark horse

@Smelly McUgly Your post is where I finally realized there was more than one Sullivan booking stint in that period. It was what one might call an unstable time for WCW so I hope my confusion is forgiven.

Who was booking in Aug 99 when Hogan went back to the red and yellow? That was head to head with Jericho's Raw debut wasn't it?

Completely forgot about that Dark Carnival nonsense, or my brain folded it into the KISS Demon stuff (facepaint, songs about Detroit...) I'll never read PG-13 and not think "I was on WrestleMania, bitch"

I honestly don't remember it beyond that first appearance @caley described. I'm also kind of mixing up a bunch of stuff: I think I have a memory of Variety Club wrestling The Dead Pool (another weird late-WCW stable with Vampiro, Raven, ICP and Muta?) But I also feel like Raven was gone to ECW at that point as a result of a Bischoff meeting where he said anyone was free to go if they didn't want to be there (I recall some reports saying Konnan tried to leave too). So Sullivan wouldn't have been in charge yet at that point... that was Aug 99 when Raven returned at the Elks Lodge for the first TNN TV. Sullivan must have not been in charge until summer 2000 and the Dead Pool thing is a false memory?

I did a TEW trial a really long time ago but I found it kinda overwhelming coming from EWR. I wish there was something halfway in between.

I absolutely loved those fictional arenas in the WCW games. In WWE2K17 or 18 I found myself with a ton of random free time, so I did a territory system in my universe mode with WCW, NWO, DOA, EWF and Independent Union and had a ton of fun making it. I wanted to do one based off Power Move Pro Wrestling but never got around to it. THAT was a super underrated game, and the gimmicks were pro wrestling as hell.

I'm sure the segment was boring and awful but in all fairness, people have other shit going on right now

Psicosis, Rey and whos the other gentleman Damien, Ciclope? I'm having a brain fart

After listening to Sandman's Philly accent for less than three minutes, I can honestly say I may never visit the state of Pennsylvania again.

The Rooneys could buy it so that all the gross people I cheer for every week despite the terrible things they've allegedly done can be lumped together in one giant ball of cognitive dissonance

FWIW I reached out to a friend in production there after reading your post - their response was "Heard that too, and I dunno..." Take that as you will, I guess.

I caught that too and it pissed me off. Variety is the spice of life and pro wrestling - if I wanted yolked up dudes 100% of the time, I'd watch WWE; I don't, so I don't. A big reason I think it was gross, and I think some others here posted this in the Dynamite thread that week, is I immediately got flashbacks to Beyond The Mat after Michael Modest and Tony Jones had their WWF dark match, where JR casually told Jones to put on 25 lbs of muscle. C'mon man.

Re: announcer talk I grew up mostly in the tri-state area, so wherever I lived, we always got a different syndicated version of Shotgun on weekend mornings, called WWF New York. I guess to hear it toward our local market, Vince Russo (I think still as 'Vic Venom') was on commentary for a handful of these. Even as a kid, I knew he was the absolute shits. This was when they were airing the RAW magazine commercials where he was, in retrospect, poorly doing Denis Leary poorly doing Bill Hicks, and I just found him super grating - and this was a solid 3-4 years before the rest of the world was "treated" to seeing him on TV consistently. If you thought he was bad doing the lame worked shoot stuff on WCW TV... boy, you ought to hear him try and call a Papi Chulo match. For me, Schiavone is the GOAT. @Stefanie the Human hit the nail on the head, it's actually heart warming to see and hear him on AEW TV.

This is maybe only a bit tangentially related, but it hurts inside so bad when he says "outlaw mudshow" like it's fucking Angelo Poffo in 1976... I respect Cornette, but I hear him use that term and it's like, dude, you gonna complain about your VCR or record player next?

Oh ok glad that's settled

I love pro wrestling more than anything on this planet, just probably not as much as the dudes zooming in and analyzing the pixels on the blue check next to Dreams name like it's the Zapruder film

I checked with my lawyer buddy and unfortunately "The Dream has no memory of this" is not going to be a valid defense

You're not talking about the one that was also used by Mongo, Hak, and Bam Bam right?

Not drunk at 10 AM EST but I saw brother @Peck link this bad boy in the omnibus so I thought I'd throw one up that im currently obsessed with: https://youtu.be/GdbHwkonNYw

My thoughts exactly. Signed, a former member of legally distinct 2003 local punk band Ghost

Pictures don't dance. Look at that chain dude; that's a dancing gimmick. No doubt in my mind.

That's 1994-1995 Vince poking his head out again. This is on that level of stuff you read in guys' books, like Austin being given a list of names like Ice Dagger or Chilly McFreeze, or those really weird concept drawings that come out sometimes that show early drafts of Minotaur or whatever. In my opinion, the longer time goes on, the more shit like this is representative of the baseline norm of Vince as a creative mind more than the (relatively speaking) short term bursts of massive success in the 80s and late 90s. (And I stress that I'm talking about the creative success, not necessarily just the financial so I'm not applying it to the successful years they've had more recently with the Saudi money and stupid TV deals and all that). On the flip side of the coin, however, Vince may have gone to his creative and said "I hate these guys, I hate tags period, they're constantly complaining even though I've put the belts on them 37 times, and they're fucking southern, so just give me the absolute worst thing you have." Either scenario is perfectly plausible.