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You're leaving out one major thing... Show me how business picked up when Sting was at the top of the card. Like I said, no one has failed harder when given the top push than Sting. I'll stand by what I said, he could pop a crowd like nobody's business, but he couldn't get the marks to buy a ticket for next week's show. That's a big problem.

I wasn't sure where to put this, I thought about the food thread, but it IS wrestling related, so I figured I'd just make a new topic, and perhaps some other amusing stuff will get posted... Anyway, I am a big fan of the Youtube show "The Hot Ones", the premise is absurdly simple, the host gets a random celebrity to interview while eating hot wings with progressively hotter sauces. Of course, I have tried this at home and have to agree with a recent guest on the show, once you get to Da Bomb, that's just stupid hot. Anyway, a recent episode featured the Undertaker, who did it proud by making it all the way through the gauntlet without cracking a sweat or drinking milk. Whatta guy. It's on youtube, check it out. It's also a good interview with some stuff that you don't normally hear talked about.

God bless the Iron Sheik!

I'm a Sting fanboy and I have to say that he is one of the weakest selections in the HOF, (right there with Jackie Fargo). No one had the keys to the kingdom handed to them more often than Sting and failed to do much of anything. He obviously did not draw money, he could pop a crowd, but not get them to buy tickets for next week's show. If he hadn't had Ric Flair and the Horsemen to play off of, no one would care about his career.

If all of Omega's antics aren't sufficient to keep him out, then no one should hold Ibushi's penchant for doing stupid shit like riding a bike into a swimming pool and suchlike against him.

Granted I'm a Naito fanboy, but I sort of think that he's done enough to qualify. Ibushi, despite his tendency to do goofy shit, belongs. Ishii will probably get there eventually, I could be persuaded, but I think that the other two have much stronger cases.

I don't know how many WON HOF voters we have here, (I'm one), but to not vote for Okada is flat-out saying that you don't understand the wrestling business.

I just wish that we could get a period piece with the Destroyer (maybe a guest spot from Cap & Bucky). Would be cool as fuck.

I will admit that Omega has characteristics that bug the shit out of me... Pulling faces for no particular reason, looking at himself on the monitors, etc. still, he's assembled an awfully strong body of work and it would be foolish to keep him out. That said, he's a rare case, so is Okada, the truly elite tend to be unique in some way. I think that you can easily make the argument that both Omega and Okada are unique performers. I'd rather watch Naito than Omega, but that is simply a matter of taste, I'm not for a second going to say that a motivated Omega isn't one of the greatest in-ring performers to ever live.

Barring shenanigans, I don't see how Okada could fail to be a unanimous choice. Exactly what could be the arguments against him? That he's not in the WWE? C'mon.

I don't get it... You, Yohe, and I have been banging the Torres drum for it seems like forever and I know Dave listens to us. It just doesn't compute. Dave is going to have to put him in by fiat and have done with it. I think part of the problem is that younger voters think HHH is "old school" and aren't interested in guys from before they were born. Sad, really.

I suppose that we should have the Gordy List close at hand. This is not a tool where x number of positives means you should be in and y number of negatives means no. It is simply a tool for organizing your thoughts about a candidate. 1. Was he ever regarded as the best draw in the world? Was he ever regarded as the best draw in his country or his promotion? 2. Was he an international draw, national draw and/or regional draw? 3. How many years did he have as a top draw? 4. Was he ever regarded as the best worker in the world? Was he ever regarded as the best worker in his country or in his promotion? 5. Was he ever the best worker in his class (sex or weight)? Was he ever one of the top workers in his class? 6. How many years did he have as a top worker? 7. Was he a good worker before his prime? Was he a good worker after his prime? 8. Did he have a large body of excellent matches? Did he have a excellent matches against a variety of opponents? 9. Did he ever anchor his promotion(s)? 10. Was he effective when pushed at the top of cards? 11. Was he valuable to his promotion before his prime? Was he still valuable to his promotion after his prime? 12. Did he have an impact on a number of strong promotional runs? 13. Was he involved in a number of memorable rivalries, feuds or storylines? 14. Was he effective working on the mic, working storylines or working angles? 15. Did he play his role(s) effectively during his career? 16. What titles and tournaments did he win? What was the importance of the reigns? 17. Did he win many honors and awards? 18. Did he get mainstream exposure due to his wrestling fame? Did he get a heavily featured by the wrestling media? 19. Was he a top tag team wrestler? 20. Was he innovative? 21. Was he influential? 22. Did he make the people and workers around him better? 23. Did he do what was best for the promotion? Did he show a commitment to wrestling? 24. Is there any reason to believe that he was better or worse than he appeared?

Word. Especially as we see careers lasting longer and longer due to better training, medicine, etc. Lots of guys are just hitting their stride at 35, I'd much prefer the age limit raised to fifty. I understand that Dave wants to honor people when they're around to enjoy it, but thirty-five is too young. Leaving aside freak accidents and early deaths (I'm thinking Perro jr.), there doesn't seem to be any real reason not to up the age limit. Hell, there are a ton of guys still wrestling well into their fifties and doing quite well. Fifty is the new thirty and sixty the new forty.

I was (and am) one of the Benoit defenders. Despite his horrible actions, there is no way that anyone can say that he wasn't one of the best in the world for an extended period of time. You can argue that Misawa, Kawada, and Kobashi were better during much of his heyday and I don't think that I'd argue the point. Still, when you're arguably top-5 in the world for fifteen years, you're a HOFr.

I give you two words: Dump Matsumoto

I only play him on TV

Okay, we wrestling fans don't have a physical HOF (and I'm not counting Texas), what we have that is meaningful is the WON HOF which has been the gold standard since 1996. In all fairness, the original inductees were decided on by Dave Meltzer and John D. Williams, but with one possible exception, I think their choices stand the test of time pretty well. This year's inductions pleased me with the exception of Kenny Omega. I'll admit that Omega has been in some of the best matches of the last decade, but he's still a young man and I sort of prefer waiting to eyeball a total career. Dave and I have discussed this, and his point (which is well taken) is that in wrestling no one ever retires unless they are completely crippled. This is probably true, I can't think of a major figure who was really done when they said they were done since Jack Brisco. So, what do y'all think of the WON HOF and are there any glaring omissions (aside from Enrique Torres, and Yohe and I are working on that.) Any mistakes?

A lot of you are too young to remember my on-line feuding with Bob Ryder. I can't say that I liked the guy, but he was a worthy opponent and did a lot for wrestling. R.I.P., my old nemesis, you were one of a kind and the IWC has been poorer for your absence.

That looks really cool. I remain thankful that I am just slightly too old to have been into Transformers, the house is filled with action figures as it is. Just on my desk I have Crossbones (factory), Whirlwind (factory), Power Man (custom), Death Adder (custom), Scorpion (factory). It's a wonder that I get anything done.

Action figures of the Stiltman and Leapfrog? Sign me the fuck up!

A tiger is a 1000 lb. cat, if it decides it wants to have horns, then by God, it will have horns!

Aww, what a sweet-looking cat! Here's to Oliver having many happy years with you!

Once again, y'all are sleeping on Static, the greatest Christmas movie ever. Hell, it's on youtube.com, check it out!

(Sorry, I'm a horror writer, my mind just works that way...)

Where can we find a giant mantis to prey ON Drake?