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8 minutes ago, tbarrie said:
The weird thing that you may not be aware of is that after Jade's match on Darkelvation this week, some random guy came out and said he wanted to talk to Jade about her future. Surely they wouldn't reveal Jade's new manager on one of the YouTube shows, would they? But then what would be the point of introducing a new character just to have them not be the one picked? Strange.
Hey, the Bucks-FTR feud wasn't good, but it was long. You got your wish!
Wasn't that the lawyer for MJF who Moxley beat up in a match?
I thought that Bucks-FTR was a really short 3 week program leading to the title change and no follow up? Honestly if you're going to do a 6 month long feud with lots of twists and turns, that is the one to do. Unless we count the whole 'Young Bucks are turning heel but now they aren't!" as build which... I don't think we should?
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KILL KILL HATE HATE MURDER MURDER MUTILATE
Tony Schiavone Interviews Jade Cargill,
Who will interrupt and will Tony get a question out first? The managerial battle royal continues!
and Cody has something to say
I think I've successfully driven the "Television Show about the Web Site" "joke" into the dirt and run it over with a riding mower.
To be Fair This is likely to be nothing groundbreaking since Cody is the company spokesperson and this could literally be about anything. I think they've successfully dimmed the company announcement down to the point where anything impactful would be a surprise.
AEW World Tag Team Championship Match: The Young Bucks (c) vs. SCU – “SCU will Break Up if they Lose”
Can I be for real, for real? Does any tag team need the bump from breaking up SCU less than the Young Bucks? Couldn't this make a team like the Acclaimed? This just seems like the least interesting end for the angle of available options. Can I be even more for reals? The Young Bucks have low key crushed the greatest tag team division of recent memory. There is no one left to beat them but super singles teams like Mox and Kingston. We've switched the Bucks heel which would normally lead to fresh matchups but they've already beaten all the faces already! This wouldn't be the case if AEW could book a damn tag team feud that lasted more than 3 weeks.
AEW World Championship Eliminator Match: #1 Ranked Orange Cassidy vs. #2 Ranked PAC – “Winner Faces Kenny Omega at Double or Nothing”
This is what people are complaining about when they talk about the ranking system makes no sense. When were these guys' last wins against non Dark competition? Pac's by memory was beating Kingston, Cassidy's was against... help me out here? Jericho? They've mostly been in tag matches or not around since COVID and here we are! This is what happens when you don't plan stuff and rely on tag matches and trios matches to fill up your shows.
TNT Championship Match: Darby Allin (c) (w/Sting) vs. Miro
See the last paragraph, copy and paste it. Miro's biggest wins are against Chuck and Trent? and are at least months old. Granted to get a TNT title shot you just have to be on the right spot on the booking dart board.
IWGP U.S. Heavyweight Championship Match: Jon Moxley (c) vs. Yuji Nagata
Booking for the die hards who would have any idea who Yuji is. The Forbidden Door opening was such a nothing leading to a disappointing garbage match from KENTA and nothing much else. No one will have any emotional investment in this because the company hasn't created any. They needed to be hyping Nagata up for this and they didn't.
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To be fair, to be fair,
to be fayyyyyhhhhhhr.
I really didn't want to make a point just make the reference.
I'll fake it.
The issue AEW has with being "20% more" is that it doesn't leave them anywhere to go when they need to progress something. This is why Omega's dastardly using of the microphone to win the World Title was such a laugher since they will do far worse than that in lower midcard feuds. It's why Tony being obsessively pissed at MJF makes no sense for biting someone after he got stabbed with a fork a dozen times. They save nothing.
Take Tay Conti for example. Tay busted out that DEVASTATING senton on Maddi across the turnbuckles on Youtube for a nothing match. It wasn't the finish. Maddi was on offense a moment later. How any agent saw or heard about that move, approved it and laid out the match the that way is psychotic. When that thing was conceptualized, they need to immediately put a hold on it and either reject it for being too dangerous or tell Conti to save it for something meaningful. As it was, it wasn't even meaningful in the match it was in!
The idea that you're pointing to Baker-Rosa as a dialed back match is a bit crazy as it had tons and tons of stuff in it! Ladders, tables, crutches... more and more and more. I'm honestly of the opinion that restriction conversely helps creativity. When you can do whatever you want, you just add element after element. This is characterized by Blood and Guts where they had barbed wire and no one saw it and it was never referenced on television! Then why have it!? How much better would it have been instead of a chair, baseball bat, barbed wire, fork and everything else... they just used the cage and nothing else? Wouldn't they have to think about everything they could do instead of just throwing everything at the wall?
They've escalated to the point to actually hurt someone (not really hurt them, hurt them in storyline) they need to cut off their heads because Darby will take something worse next week and it will get washed away in the next crazy thing he does. Darby's taken a decades worth of signature bumps in 2 years and they've all been washed away in the deluge. So either you raise the stakes even higher (which would be even more dangerous) or you "cheat" and involve crash pads and tricks to make it look like you have.
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5 minutes ago, tbarrie said:
Because she was the face. The face should almost always win big blow-off matches, just like 99+% of action stories end with the good guys triumphant.
Decidedly false because wrestling is a continuous narrative not a series of action movies. Here are some situations where the face should not win the blow off...
- The heel is getting ready for the main event babyface and so he needs to be fed lower faces in preparation to gain heat.
- The babyface is on the way out of the company or doesn't work for the company.
- Your heel champion is on a roll and is drawing money.
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Then why did she win?
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Think the Cody announcement this week is to sell the new live shows?
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Eaton and Chuck Taylor certainly aren't that far apart.
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23 minutes ago, Infinit said:
The funniest thing though, is that Corny did things like manage the MX against MS ATLANTA LIVELY on PPV, which one could argue are strikes on that list against him lol
Cornette is full of contradictions. Bobby Eaton is an amazing wrestler, but he never looked like an amazing wrestler if he was just standing there. Cornette hates little guys but loves Adam Cole. Cornette hates silly shit but loves MJF who has done some outright nonsense throughout his entire AEW run.
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I like making the Booker of the Year joke more as a rag on Metzler's dopey spot loving perspective which has poisoned his audience. Cornette (much to my consternation) is correct that Tony is a okay match maker but his ability to tell a story is suspect to say the least. AEW's agents are really more to blame as they can't seem to give the talent any direction beyond "do a bunch of stuff" and are really bad at protecting movesets and wrestlers.
Cornette is a awful person who gives pretty good analysis if you understand a few action items.
- Once you do anything Cornette thinks makes the business look silly, you're dead to him for life. This level is normally the higher level of wrestling garbage like invisible men, blow up dolls and that level of nonsense.
- If you're a woman, Cornette thinks you ought to work 5 minute sideshow matches. Any longer than that and he's not watching it.
- If you've breathed a word that may be considered conservative in any way, he hates you on principle.
When Cornette is in a situation where he doesn't have those biases, he can give you pretty good insight. If not, you may as well throw his opinion in the trash because he is never going to give Marko Stunt a fair shake. This is coming from someone who thinks Marko Stunt sucks. As to why he reviews AEW, he does it for the views because his audience waits around waiting for him to bury the product.
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Allow me to clarify. I'm sure people conceptualize that OMG is big, obviously. But I don't think people really internalized the idea that he's 6'9".
QuoteAs @Goodearsaid, that's just 80s WWF for you. Someday I'll start a "guys you didn't realize were massive when you were watching wrestling in the 80s" thread.
I used to think of Mr. Perfect as an average sized dude. Hennig was 6'3" and jaaaaaaaaacked.
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I get that but I think Bigelow also suffered from being in WWF in his first run especially being the land of the giants. I mean look at this...
Like he seems tiny compared to OMG but Gang's MASSIVE which most people didn't realize. Bigelow always had to stand next to Gang, Hogan or Andre and he's "dwarfed" at 6'4". It's just not fair which is why they tried to highlight he was so agile. As the wrestling size norm dropped, Bam Bam got more effective until he was one the bigger guys on any roster. WWF in 1987 was terrible for him. Gear wise, you'd think he'd change from the black and flames at some point in the next 15 years if he hated it, but that clearly wasn't the case.
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10 minutes ago, Log said:
This needs to be a come to Jesus moment for AEW's production team. This is the second big, heavily-promoted, heavily-anticipated match that has been tainted (I won't say ruined because I still VERY much enjoyed both matches) by less-than-stellar production choices. Here's hoping they think things through a lot better before they do something similar in the future.
Don't forget the sledgehammer throne bit that also fizzled.
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On 5/5/2021 at 8:58 AM, Goodear said:
LET THE HATE FLOOOOOW THROUGH YOU
- Michael Nakazawa/Kenny Omega vs Eddie Kington/Jon Moxley
Either will be a joke or should be a joke. Either Nakasawa dies which we all expected or your top babyfaces can't beat him easily. Best option is that it becomes a de facto handicapped match which stacks the odds against the heel which is always a great idea. BOOKER OF THE YEAR. Can we end this forever feud yet between Moxley and Omega? Will Moxley have any sort of plan this time the Good Brothers and Young Bucks come out to beat him up? Of course not!
I am so smart! I am so smart! S-M-R-T!
Everything that wasn't Blood and Guts wasn't really good (with one notable exception). Mox and King getting beat down every week is stale. Cody and QT just kind of had a match in order to get Ogogo over and they've dropped the ball on the whole Factory angle. QT has JAG all over him and the booking didn't help him at all. He's not portrayed as strong, tough or even smart enough to put Cody in jeopardy. Ogogo's bolo punch is sold as death but it doesn't have the oomph behind it to work. The tag match was flat and bad. Miro's broken English promo was ... intense? It wasn't bad because it got the point across but it wasn't good because he tripped over his words.
The only thing that really worked was the Darby-Scorpio-Page attack. Darby flying out of no where to attack them, Sky immediately turning to pull him off Page, Sky hitting him with the trash can, the toss down the stairs those all looked really good. Hopefully Darby didn't really splatter himself (because he's crazy) and I would also have saved that for a show without a giant crash finish like B&G. But in a vacuum, this should give Sky and Page some much needed heat to work with.
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2 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:
This is a little more rational of a reply.
But it's not a false dichotomy because the prevailing opinion seems to be it was a bad idea because it didn't look like it hurt enough. I'm not off base with that summation right? I'm fairly sure that bump hurt more in real life than any single bump in the ring tonight. That's what annoys me from that side of the argument. Yes it was padded. But gravity is still a thing. It wasn't a full on blown up stunt man crash pad they use in movies that's inflated with 30 feet of air. The stage below the crash pad is solid and made of concrete and steel. It didn't give an inch. So the rigid foam or whatever, surely hurt less than steel and concrete... but still probably hurt a fair amount. And every here is acting like it was 50 feet of pillows and feathers.I would argue the art of wrestling is the balancing of things being safe and looking dangerous. If you shoot the fall correctly than you accomplish both goals of if being safe while not looking safe. I would assume most of the people who didn't like the fall thought it seemed too safe looking to be effective not that they wanted Jericho to die. I think @Logreally nailed what people are having a problem with and why they have an issue.
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I hate him so much guys, you have no idea.
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5 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:
No more crash pads? If Jericho isn't going full Foley (aka his body was destroyed he had to retire at 34 years old) maybe not book a Foley finish? The fuck is wrong with you guys? You know a wrestling ring is softer than the crash pad setup he landed on right? So maybe we should take the ring away and only bump on concrete floors now? People got pissed when Matt Hardy got hurt on his big bump because it was too reckless. Now the same people are mad because Jericho didn't get hurt and they wanted it to be more reckless? The stunt could have been made a little more visually appealing but you guys are out of your minds if you're thinking a man that's 50 years old should be bumping on anything but the safest of crash pads.
There's a fair middle ground for people who didn't like that finish. But complaining that the stunt man bump looked too safe is a bridge too far for me.
You're engaging in a false dichotomy. You seem to be saying the choice is between either a) falling off a high thing onto crash pads or b) falling through a high thing onto concrete. You could just not fall off the high thing at all. That way you don't have to do something that either looks bad or scrambles Matt Hardy's brains across the pavement. Or you could learn to shoot things effectively but AEW production seems really bad at that.
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EDIT: Aimed at J.T.
Wait, wait, wait. My impression of your argument was that they had to threaten to throw Jericho off the top because if MJF did something like threaten to stab him in the eye, that would take too long and The Inner Circle could just grab a different hostage. My only derivation from the situation we got is what MJF is threatening Jericho with so we don't have to throw Jericho off a cage. This could all happen exactly the same otherwise including being on top of the cage so The Inner Circle can't just run over and stop MJF. Am I misunderstanding your position?
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11 minutes ago, J.T. said:
You make it sound like Dax would not have surrendered if Cash's health were on the table and visa versa. They were homies long before Pinnacle formed, right? And what about Tully? Certainly Shawn Spears or one of the members of FTR might've had the good taste to call it in if their mentor was threatened.
MJF did not have the sole authority to surrender the match for his team and with this sort of analysis, we're all drilling down and seeing why things happened the way they did. Pinnacle needed to win this match so here we are.
And yes, Wardlow figuring out that MJF only sees him as a chess piece is a really good springboard for a run as a babyface.
But at that point, you aren't negotiating with Dax or the others because MJF is the one holding the hostage. Let's say they grab Dax and make him quit, how does that stop MJF from "killing" Jericho which is what The Inner Circle is trying to avoid? At that particular moment, their goal is no longer to win the match (obviously since they gave that up) but to save Chris.
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11 minutes ago, Hagan said:
You could have done the exact same story with like MJF just sticking a spike into Jericho's eye or like the Sting/Flair Thundercage finish of Jericho in a submission hold and being tortured and the IC handcuffed or something and finally quitting on his behalf. Like, there are ways to tell that exact same story without Jericho falling into a pile of feathers.
Like you could do the same exact elements of MJF bailing out of the ring, fighting Jericho on the top and threatening him with something while holding The Inner Circle at bay with threats. Then once Sammy surrenders, do the thing he threatened and run away while the Circle was on their way up to check on Chris. You didn't need the giant bump that ended up looking bad.
EDIT: The holding a member of the Pinnacle as a retaliatory hostage doesn't work because no one would believe that MJF would care more about them then he would about himself. Honestly, mirroring this in the future would be a good way to get Wardlow turned face because MJF would absolutely sacrifice Wardlow for his own gain, without question.
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I watched Blood and Guts this morning while getting ready for work and it... has some problems guys.
The production team fucked the talent over pretty badly by missing things, taking bad angles and focusing on things (like guys getting out blades) that they shouldn't. The timing of the commercial breaks was awful (you cut out Wardlow's shine? MJF escaping the cage?) and they should have jockeyed to cut out things of less significance (like Spears' entrance). Coming back from commercial with no replays was a bad idea.
Hated that Dax went for a cover before anyone else got into the cage. I get you establish that the match can't end that way but you do that later (like when Spears tapped out to the ankle lock) rather than make your people look outright dumb. It's one things if you've been rocked and working on instinct, it's another to do it while it should be freshest in the mind of the workers especially someone who is usually booked to be pretty smart in Harwood.
Honestly, most of the botches didn't take me out of it due to the chaotic nature of the match. No real problems with Sammy falling off a springboard in a rather convoluted spot. The noted exception to this was the Wardlow fumble on Hager. I don't have a problem with the two guys actually in the move, but the people having to stand around while they recovered and watch Wardlow stand up with Hagar? Those people needed to move past the spot and just put something together on the fly because them just standing there is weird.
Match suffered a lot from a lack of closeups. If your guys are going to bleed and suffer, let me see the suffering. Let them draw me in. As it was we didn't do a lot of that until the finish with MJF and Jericho.
Weapons in a cage match are dumb. You have and two rings and a giant cage to work with and you still needed a hardware store to have this match? The most effective things were not the chair and baseball bat. There evidentially was barbed wire but only in a commercial break which makes you wonder why they bothered. The fork was more effective but you probably could have done the same thing with punches and gotten to the same place.
Can I just tell you how livid I was that they blew the penultimate run in at the end when Jericho came in so they could take a fucking picture? And don't mistake that for anything else, that was absolutely why the match stopped and the poor Inner Circle guy had to be tossed into their ring. Could you stop being so pretentious and just fight? Your people have been dying for 15 minutes and you wander into the ring? Please lord help me.
Can Tony please dial back the righteous indignation and hatred of MJF? He's biting Jericho and Tony is just losing it. Tony, he just got stabbed with a fork a dozen times. Shut up.
Finish was fine in theory and terrible in practice. AEW needs to stop trying to be fancy and overreaching with their finishes instead of just going home with something that they know will look good. They are terrible at stunt show/pyro stuff. Stop doing stuff you're bad at!
This saddens me for a couple of reasons. Lots of guys worked hard in this thing only to get their heads chopped off by the production choices. The lay out was good! The closing idea of someone quitting to save someone else in the Inner Circle was good! They just overreached and could not stop pouring dressing on the salad. The most effective stuff they did involved the two rings and the cage and they just had to keep adding elements they didn't need.
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LET THE HATE FLOOOOOW THROUGH YOU
Main Event: Cody Rhodes w/Arn Anderson vs QT Marshall w/The Factory
The real question here is what color hair will Cody have for this match and which Lantern Core will he represent. They've done a poor job getting QT ready for this match as he should have been cutting a swath through the Nightmare Factory this whole time and going over strong based on his scouting (since he trained most of them or trained with them extensively). But they already kind of blew that concept when Cody embarrassed QT during the match that cemented the turn. Brandi will announce that the website about the television show about the action figure about the baby will now have another website about the website.
Also:
- Dr. Britt Baker, D.M.D. in action!
Who is Britt Baker? Oh, you mean that woman who had a break out performance a month ago and hasn't worked on the big show since? Whatever happened to the person that beat her?
- The Acclaimed vs SCU vs Jurassic Express vs Varsity Blondes
I cannot imagine their parents caring about this. AEW is like a pinball machine just waiting around to scream MULTIBALLLLL!
- Michael Nakazawa/Kenny Omega vs Eddie Kington/Jon Moxley
Either will be a joke or should be a joke. Either Nakasawa dies which we all expected or your top babyfaces can't beat him easily. Best option is that it becomes a de facto handicapped match which stacks the odds against the heel which is always a great idea. BOOKER OF THE YEAR. Can we end this forever feud yet between Moxley and Omega? Will Moxley have any sort of plan this time the Good Brothers and Young Bucks come out to beat him up? Of course not!
- Blood & Guts: The Pinnacle vs Inner Circle
The Memento of wrestling feuds where the end comes at the beginning.
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The Steiner Brothers (especially Rick) are underrated bumpers. That being said, their matches with the Freebirds were unusually stiff for Garvin and Hayes. Considering the amount of times they worked each other in WCW, I would assume there was a backstage handshake to stiffen up.
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FTR would likely be number one and two, Spears likely three since he's got reasonable wind and its the middle of the match anyway with MJF and Wardlow batting clean up.
Sammy, Santana, Hagar, Ortiz and Jericho for the big final entrant because he's the biggest pop and Hagar (the natural 'big gun') isn't over enough for the final entrance pop.
EDIT: So start with Sammy and Dax, Cash comes in to save his partner and FTR play ring generals directing traffic because this will be a lot of moving pieces, Santana saves Sammy and evens the odds, Spears comes in and feeds the babyfaces but gives FTR a chance to turn the tide, Hagar comes in to pound three people, Wardlow comes in to counter Hagar, Ortiz comes in and gets some rally but the heels to get the advantage so MJF can come in and pick the bones until Jericho makes the final save before they go to whatever finish. I think someone made the right call going to a Jericho quits to save Sammy (or vice versa). This also reflects to MJF's turn on Cody except this time, it was with good intentions and completes a story beat.
Pinacle needs to win or they are totally and completely dead in the water, never to recover.
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AEW Dynamite - 5/12/2021
in ALL ELITE WRESTLING
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As I recall that was all making friends with Page rather than the Bucks which culminated with Page helping The Best Friends beat the Bucks in the gauntlet so FTR could beat Best Friends and then beat Page and Omega for the tag belts.