Zakk_Sabbath
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14 minutes ago, Dolfan in NYC said:
They have the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever to Brian Pillman Jr
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On 11/17/2024 at 4:45 PM, hammerva said:
Sad thing is that they probably forgot Mercedes Martinez was on their roster
On 11/18/2024 at 12:58 PM, twiztor said:considering she hasn't had a ROH match since March, and her last AEW match was December, you may be on to something here.
Aw man, that's a bummer. I thought she was just on ROH this whole time. Kind of makes sense though, I definitely noticed her absence at the show last week (she and AR Fox are always brought out up there as the 'local legends'). Someone has to figure out a viable replacement for Twitter soon, I hate being outta the loop
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12 minutes ago, NikoBaltimore said:
Not sure if it's the same lineup for the tour but it started with Dead Heat which were good for a warmup. The ones to pay attention to are Candy and Havok so for three killer bands you can do a lot worse on a Friday night.
Big Havok fan, my buddy didn't mention they were on this! Good looks!!
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21 hours ago, NikoBaltimore said:
But it was almost surprising the percentage of teens and 20-somethings that were at the Exodus show I went to last Saturday. I think part of it is everything's online and it's easy for parents to show their kids the stuff they were into.
Ah man, that sounds like a great time - I just found out the other day they're playing in the city this Friday while I'm there for a work thing. I was initially trying to parlay it into "Eh, Newark is *right* there..." with the hope I'll be done in time for Full Gear on Saturday, but if I can't make it down there, Exodus is one hell of a consolation prize.
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6 minutes ago, just drew said:
Wasn't part of it also that they were gonna do house shows on Saturday and Warner asked for Collision that night?
I was unaware of that but it makes logical sense. I feel hella gross speaking in these terms, but while they likely have the talent and budget for it, I don't know that "the brand" is at a point yet where they could feasibly run a house show concurrently with live TV. Maybe ROH, though. They've run ROH PPVs against Rampage before without cannibalizing the whole audience, so it seems doable
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On 11/18/2024 at 1:05 AM, KriskitaKoloff said:
I personally only started watching it weekly again for the first time in a long time because I quit my job to focus on my declining mental health and figured wrestling would be a good distraction so even though I'm not big into the booking I'm hoping Full Gear is a big step in the right direction.
While I disagree on some of the ex-WWE signees for reasons already wonderfully articulated by NoFlips above, I do think there's some merit to your idea of "course correcting" in certain ways after '21-'22. Of course, the only issue with such is that it makes Mox & Co. the absolute #1 babyfaces on Earth - but fuck it, I was cheering 'em anyway. (Also, I'm glad to hear you were able to take some time for yourself away from the grind, and I hope you're feeling better soon - insert requisite 'DMs are always open if you need someone' here
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1 hour ago, AxB said:
Mick Foley was the WWF's best wrestler in the Attitude Era. Because every main eventer they had post-Austin, they didn't get over until Foley put them over. Undertaker was stagnating to hell feuding with himself before Foley showed him it was actually possible to have good matches. Triple H, he was elevated from rookie to midcarder thanks to a Foley feud, elevated to IC title level by a subsequent Foley feud, and then elevated to Main Event/ World Champion level by another subsequent Foley feud. And really struggled throughout his career to have a good match with anyone who isn't Mick Foley.
Huge agree with this. I haven't seen a better HHH or Randy Orton match to this day. I think his contributions there get minimized for a lot of different reasons - could be that the man in charge is tired of reading stuff like I just wrote, but my gut is that it's also got to do with some of the crazy shit he did back then on their TV (and how it might be looked at today through the lens of concussion awareness and things like that).
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51 minutes ago, BobbyWhioux said:
Killing plaque that no one sees
rinse makes a fortress of your teeth
4 of 5 dentists know
it’s the only way to go
kills gingivitis, gum disease
Job well dunn - but this gonna drive me nuts now:
Who was the comedian that did a bit about the 5th dentist? Was that a Carlin thing??
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36 minutes ago, Ramo2653 said:
This just popped into my head, with the incoming administration in the USA and their stance on immigration and foreign workers, are we going to have another spell of wrestlers not being able to come over or delays with visas again?
I only have room in my attic for my grandmother, Hologram, and Mortos. No more, no less. Gonna be a real weird blunt circle.
(If I don't joke I'll cry. Probably a discord item tho).
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6 hours ago, SovietShooter said:
In one way, it kinda sucks that everyone has to have contracts and non-competes and such, because when guys come and go, it is pretty exciting and keeps things fresh. Like, right now I'm enjoying Ricochet, but in a couple of months when his act gets old and a guy like Speedball comes in, and the cycle starts over. Instead it's kind of a race to "collect 'em all!"
Part of me thinks that's where ROH (should it ever get TV or on to Max or whatever) could become more of an asset. Turn it into a nice mix of some of the usual faces and prospects, but then add a rotation of 2-3 people at a time sent over to freshen up and give the TBS/TNT audience time to miss them (funny enough, I think Jericho is almost the perfect candidate right now). You could also use it as a place for people coming off injury to shake off the rust in a lower stakes, usually taped environment - if you continue to tape it with the main show, you also get the bonus of advertising whoever it is locally (almost like when WWE would do those post-Raw dark matches, for example I saw Cena vs Punk in a cage once after they just wrestled in a tag main event on TV). I think there's a lot of different things it could offer if it ever moves in that direction (especially with the House Rules experiment seemingly being over, and Dark/Elevation being long gone already). Really, even if TK shut down ROH tomorrow out of left field, I think this idea could have some legs for Rampage or whatever Shockwave is too, as long as they are also still shot with Dynamite/Collision. Sorta like that early, Punk-era informal brand split a little, just to keep the flow of the main 2 going, freshen a Ricochet up in a year or two, but then also still get the juice of using them to get people in the door (and just maybe, get some eyeballs on the C show). That's another reason why I'm super curious to see how this Collision at Hammerstein after the ROH show goes, there might be room to do something similar with that combination on a long term basis, too.
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52 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
watching Macho/Flair from WM8 as part of the Savage mix tape and Flair really did figure out a spot for do his "I totally didn't blade" spot because he saw blood in Piper/Bret
What's great about that too is that I've read Bret's book where he points out specifically where & how he does it, seen a million of his interviews about it, yada yada, and I *still* miss it 9/10x I watch that one unless I'm looking for it super hard.
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10 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
OH MAN I JUST SHOT YUTA IN THE FACE
This is without a doubt my favorite line - I remember moving back in 2012ish, when I was waiting for the cable company to come hook me up, this was the only DVD that made the trip so far and it had been so long since I watched it I must've rewound 100 times. Probably due for a rewatch in light of recent pages lol
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14 hours ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:
Re: pyro, I wasn't gonna mention it because I don't wanna be a Negative Nancy, had an awesome time, and thought it was a great card, etc. but IMO it's the smaller venue setups, not the venues themselves. I'm a real dork for the production stuff, and based upon the AEW shows I've been to in the last year and a half or so (This one and another in Bridgeport, two other buildings in CT, one or two on LI, and Grand Slam in Queens I wanna say?) I think the deal is if you get enough people in the door for the full raised stage, you get pyro - if it's the sheets of mylar or whatever on the arena floor, none. If you look at the way the "short aisle" setup is, because it's bumped up, in a lot of buildings the scoreboard is closer to being over the stage/aisle than it is the ring as normal. I'll see if my girlfriend has any pics that show what I mean
I guess the last one I went to there was a little further back than I thought, I must be thinking of LI (or the one we had tickets to in Providence but had to miss for IRL stuff) - anyway, to illustrate the scoreboard/pyro/aisle thing, here's the building Wednesday as versus the setup in '22 (from aaaasalmost the same seats):
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Real quick also, if you want a Rampage spoiler
SpoilerI have no idea how I forgot to mention this earlier but Ricochet and Dante Martin had a good match you should scope. It kinda built to the aerial stuff in a way that I think people who aren't normally fans of their style might like - surprisingly ground based affair and not in a bad way
Re: pyro, I wasn't gonna mention it because I don't wanna be a Negative Nancy, had an awesome time, and thought it was a great card, etc. but IMO it's the smaller venue setups, not the venues themselves. I'm a real dork for the production stuff, and based upon the AEW shows I've been to in the last year and a half or so (This one and another in Bridgeport, two other buildings in CT, one or two on LI, and Grand Slam in Queens I wanna say?) I think the deal is if you get enough people in the door for the full raised stage, you get pyro - if it's the sheets of mylar or whatever on the arena floor, none. If you look at the way the "short aisle" setup is, because it's bumped up, in a lot of buildings the scoreboard is closer to being over the stage/aisle than it is the ring as normal. I'll see if my girlfriend has any pics that show what I mean
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26 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said:
AEW really oughtta go ahead and
Bridgeport.Damn, we sucked that bad on TV?! I have to watch the whole show. TK didn't sell it before Rampage if they were that pissed about it. I felt like a dick when it got started the second time around in the style of the Goldberg chant for sure, that was definitely unnecessary. Like I said, they're a tough crowd (and thinking further, I didn't even consider the WWE connotation, though I think it was more just Bridgeport Bridgeporting). I mean, dude:
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3 hours ago, Infinit said:
Anybody catch Swerve saying that they are in STAMFORD, and the crowd chanting "WE'RE IN BRIDGEPORT" for the rest of the promo?
So the best way I can explain it is: everyone in the city truly, legitimately, in their heart of hearts, believes they are Eddie Kingston. More of us had '203' or 'East Side' / 'West End' tattooed somewhere than didnt, that shit was not gonna fly lol. Swerve was probably the most over guy of the night til that, too - my girlfriend made air doing the Nana dance! She's forbidden me from sharing it with strangers, but if you see a cute Willow-looking chick next to a guy in a Hangman shirt visibly struggling not to be gigantic in the upper hard cam side...
The match itself with Lio/Swerve was great too. The place came unglued for that back to back flip to the outside stare down thing. Actual standing O from many, including me and the guys behind us and next door.
The Archer/Roddy match kinda sucked for our section because they were directly underneath us, so until they did the stuff on the rail, we had to kinda watch the screen. I think that was designed like that on purpose just because that side was where most of us were concentrated (not talking shit, been to plenty of empty-hard cam-Smackdowns there, too). We also ALMOST didn't catch Darby's dive, either - it happened to our immediate left, and was so damn fast I actually questioned if someone fell or was trying to shoot attack the guys at first, my adrenaline spiked hard for a second until I heard it was him.
Penelope/Britt ... Look, we tried. Haven't watched it back yet, but I'm like 80% sure any voice you hear is gonna be mine, hers, or the drunkest dude I've ever seen at a show trying and failing to get a BRITT-PORT chant going over and over. Felt bad about it. It was so quiet at times, that it gave me that Office/Curb-like secondhand embarrassment, gotta be honest. Match was a little pokey, but it was largely inoffensive and everyone went crazy for Penelope's moonsaults and for that one diamond cutter spot.
SpoilerShida wrestles Layla Grey on Rampage and got a slightly better reaction along with some 'holy Shida' chants so at least there was that. There's also gonna be a women's street fight that we had to miss unfortunately between Diamante and Red Velvet, so not sure how the reaction was for the match, but it they got a decent reaction when they brawled out during TK's Timecop speech to set it up. Idk, maybe it's a Britt thing?
There was another quieter moment that was actually sort of funny, though: during the commercial break prior to the Ospreay/Fletcher promo, they sent Schiavone to the ring too early, and he had to just wait there. Requisite cheers and chants, yada yada. But you have to remember how long two full minutes of a break is. Poor Tony's just standing there. You can hear a pin drop. Suddenly one guy: "I LIKE THE PICTURES OF YOUR DOG ON INSTAGRAM, TONY. I HAVE A DOG TOO." I usually hate when people try to be comedians at shows, but that had me fucking crying. Bless you if you're reading, sir.
I can't say enough about the tag match, that was so much fun. FTR have definitely mastered the art of having the non-legal man always be doing some shit, and keeping engaged. I honestly don't know if I've ever noticed it on TV as much as the 6 or 7 times I've seen em live. I haven't watched this back either, but there was a TON of noise for this one. Dueling chants, "All These Teams," "Fight Forever," all that shit. Really great.
All in all, a great night of action. I have absolutely nothing bad to say other than that I wish more people came
Fuck em, their loss.
Also, as promised in the monthly thread: no update or word on a Hammerstein Collision on-sale, at least not in the building. It seemed like there were less ads between matches overall, but I also saw a reference to an MJF promo on the last page, and I'm 99.9% sure that didn't play in the building (unless I was rocking a piss). There was one ad for Albany, I wanna say? Maybe one more, but def not NYC.
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3 minutes ago, Leonidas said:
Hangman and Christian have both interfered in each other's Jay White matches to get them the win in recent months. You may have seen the memes where they're laying on the ringside mats with funny looks on their faces.
Oh yeah, duh - good call. I completely spaced on that (and IIRC something went askew with the Hangman one, right, like someone hit the ring early/late or something? Slowly coming back to me lol)
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1 hour ago, twiztor said:
that stood out to me too. i'm down for the match, but such a weird pairing.
I was literally liking your guys' posts and replying "thirded" when it hit me that pairing him with Christian might just be a super roundabout, backdoor way of emphasizing Hangman's heel alignment to the audience since there's potential for some to find his character sympathetic after already dropping a clean fall to Switchblade at WD. It makes sense in that context to me considering that we also had a pretty decently vocal contingent rooting for Hanger at the end of the Swerve issue, since Swerve was really the one who initially escalated it with the home invasion. So yeah, fully agree it's an oddball pairing, but I think the visual of Hangman fighting side by side with the uber-heel Patriarchy is kinda the method to the madness (YMMV, of course - I could be talking total nonsense, it's equally likely TK sat down with a blank sheet of paper and thought "Hey, I bet this would be a good one')
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29 minutes ago, Zimbra said:
Just imagine, Anna Kendrick is looking at that painting Affleck sent her and then MOX OUT OF NOWHERE WITH THE BULLDOG CHOKE
Watching her discover that on Twitter in real-time is legit one of my favorite things from the early days of Dynamite, and I mean that with all sincerity!
Mentioned in another thread, but we'll be in the house for this one, so I'm super psyched this appears to be a stellar card. (My fat ass is also psyched for the chili dog spot ~3 miles from the building, but I'll save that for the discord). Texting w my better half right now about logistics, and she's got me cracking up with how excited she is that we're getting an Adam Cole match - I think I caught a couple of your usernames flash before my eyes!
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11 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:
Furnas and LaFon did have an ECW run. Furnas could have been Van Dam's square buddy that didn't get high.
These guys like, never come up, but I liked them as semi-associates of the Hart Foundation for a bit. I'm racking my brain but I think teaming w Anvil/Bulldog Montreal was their last WWF show before they were sent to Paul E
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7 hours ago, AxB said:
AEW has made a deal with Guns n Roses and will be using November Rain to promote their November to Remember TV shows and Full Gear.
It's like they're paying tribute to 90s ECW, only doing it wrong because they're actually paying a band to use their music.
That's awesome. Whatever that licensing fee is, it's probably a drop in the bucket for a big machine like Guns, but I have to admit: I sometimes laugh at the idea of someone like Edsel Dope getting a check in the mail from YouTube/Spotify for 2/38ths of a penny and wondering if he can tell "Oh nice, that one dork is listening to Rhyno's theme again"
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6 hours ago, The Green Meanie said:
I REALLY hope this isn't the eventual outcome. The Elite as a whole are just so thoroughly unenjoyable to be festooned upon us. Other then LOL IT'S HORNSWAGGLE, that would probably be the worst solution.
I'm a fan of all those guys (where you're clearly not, which is cool) and I'll fully admit It's not my favorite possible outcome either, but circling back to the comic book thing yesterday, I think even the most ardent Elite-hater would have to admit it's at least A logical conclusion, even if not the most cathartic or surprising.
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31 minutes ago, COLETTI said:
If this is all Mox and co trying to light a fire under asses, it would've been crazy easy to set up some sort of confrontation with new tag champs Private Party only for Death Riders to back off and show respect. Play it back with Daniel Garcia after he takes Perry's title.
Couldn't agree more, and even if not this exact thing, there are a million different ways to go about accomplishing the same - don't ask me why, because shit gets dropped all the time and it's not a huge deal, but for whatever reason I have been finding myself really itching for a payoff to the PP hammer attack (especially now that they're the champs). There was also that quick interaction between Perry/Mox about a month ago ('I don't care what they say, I always thought you were a good kid') which I could see playing out similarly - may have even been the same episode
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8 minutes ago, Just Adam Bay Bay said:
Mox’s goal is to devalue AEW so badly that the Thousand Dollar Broski Matt Cardona buys it, and becomes the on air owner of the company.
And I fully agree with @Technico Support hearing at least some of his motivations would be a good starting point. Even if it’s just explaining the idea behind stuffing the belt in a bag that nobody cares about. At least with Orange and his backpack we all understood that.
Obviously I know no more than you or anyone else, but my completely uneducated guess is that it's a Pulp Fiction reference intended to be a subtextual commentary about the modern day usage of titles as McGuffins for angles that don't necessarily require one.
Judges will also accept "Mox just thought it was cool."
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AEW TV - 11/20 - 11/26/2024 - In The Cold November Rainmaker
in ALL ELITE WRESTLING
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I wasn't quite as down on this week's show as some of you guys, but I do agree that there were some things here that would've worked better had this not been the go-home Dynamite. Similarly, there were some things at the show last week that I now feel would've worked better if they bumped them up to last night - but chiefly, I think Hangman should've been in the house. Obviously there are other angles being more highly prioritized right now, but I feel like his/Jay's match could've been highlighted a little more going into the PPV. I'm not trying to come off as overreactive, as though it's a preshow match or they got left off the card or something, but I fear there's a path to squandering Hangman's momentum coming out of the awesome Swerve stuff. To end on a positive, I'll say I REALLY enjoyed the use of archival footage of them in the Guns video - maybe the second best use this year behind the Danielson/Nigel hype packages.