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1 hour ago, NikoBaltimore said:
I liked the show but found it interesting that there's two "torn between two factions/friends" stories going at once. You have Cole between Bucks and ReDragon but there's also Santana/Ortiz who are between Eddie and Jericho. In an ideal world I would do one of them at a time but with it being the end of the year I get that they want to set the table for next year. As for where each goes the Bucks/Cole/ReDragon part gets lots of discussion already. But I think Eddie will be the catalyst that gets Santana/Ortiz to finally ditch Jericho. Then you can take that different ways where either Inner Circle explodes or they just do a clean break and get the tag belts. And I'm really hoping one of the causes is the fact that Jericho waited until after the bell shot to come out.
Yeah I think having essentially the same storylines or matches on the same card with two different people/groups at the same time has been one of AEW’s weaknesses, so far.
Maybe Kingston was just mad that Jericho waited until they’d all been taken out and until after the bell shot to come out though.
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11 minutes ago, Ryan Faulconer said:
On Denise Salcedo’s post-Dynamite show some people (emails/chats) were offended by what CM Punk said about Tim Tebow…WTF? I might just live up here in Soviet Canuckistan but I am hoping that Punk doesn’t wake up to a shitstorm. Punk used to revel in throwing stuff back at the idiots. Punk’s opinions on religion would blow their little minds.
I thought it was funny but it didn’t really make sense since Tebow was just a training camp body that didn’t make the team.
Tony Khan spent more on catering for Dynamite tonight than Tebow made from the Jaguars.
Urban Meyer would have been more obvious but Tony Khan probably quashed that because they may end up in court with Meyer.
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43 minutes ago, Dog said:
Given Dan Lambert's promo, I guess they're gonna try to turn Cody face?
If they wanted to try, I don’t think they would have him stay backstage while his wife confronted three men.
That was weird.
Jericho waiting until his buddy was clocked with the bell and taking the time to get his music cued was a little weird.
I thought Cargill vs Rosa spent too much time outside the ring. But this was probably Cargill’s best match. I thought she did a pretty decent job selling at points for how green she is.
Brian Pillman, jr cut a really good promo. I’m curious about the new version of him he said would show up next week
CM Punk’s comment about MJF being a waste of Khan money like Tebow was very funny. The Jacksonville crowd being shocked because they love Tebow but knowing it was true was also amusing.
The main event was solid but I don’t really understand why the Young Bucks instantly had animosity towards Kyle O’Reilly but not Fish and I certainly don’t know why we’re supposed to care.
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32 minutes ago, AxB said:
They added a ten man tag, with Hardy, his two mates and FTR vs Jurassic Express and some other lads.
Wow, this is definitely way too many multi-person tags on one show for my tastes.
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1 hour ago, Wyld Samurai said:
Splitting groups up for no reason is very WWE. They can be an affiliation, do their own thing, and have each other's vack when needed. That is how I view the Inner Circle and I think it's such a refreshing take on running through group ideas. There's no reason to tear it apart.
The Pinnacle winning that match wouldn’t have been breaking them up for no reason, it would have really elevated the Pinnacle as the dominant stable in AEW. And it would have once again shown that stipulations really matter in AEW which is still a young company.
Not breaking up a stable that was past its usefulness might have been a novel idea but in practice it killed all of the momentum Sammy and Proud and Powerful had built up on their.
The Inner Circle is now an anchor around the necks of the younger talent it was supposed to elevate. Not breaking it up when it had run it’s course has been a misstep.
And what’s worst of all about it is that it was just for a stupid angle that ended with Jericho going over a non-wrestler and really did nothing to even elevate Ethan Page or Scorpio Sky.
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31 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
I I’d be fine with Cody beating Sammy to regain the belt. I don’t love Cody’s meandering angle that may not be an angle at all but at least he’d be somewhat interesting with the title, which is more than I can say for Sammy’s “it takes me a few minutes to remember who’s the champ” reign. Cody needs to win the title and dial up the arrogant shithead act about 175%.
It’s a bummer that the inner circle reuniting for Jericho’s feud with American Top Team really derailed his title reign.
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On 12/22/2021 at 8:00 AM, Jiji said:
It's interesting Orange went from the most organically over act in the company in front of live audiences to Jericho leeching/"putting him over" and then transitioned into a seemingly half year program with Matt Hardy, whose character is a leech but is generally far more giving than Jericho, in which Hardy won with shenanigans and they just kinda moved on even after OC said it wasn't finished (I suppose they could do the AEW thing where they rekindle an old rivalry sometime next year and that would be fine). I really enjoy Hardy's act but that was too long and the wrong guy went over in the end. There were a few weeks where they needed to give Kenny a credible challenger on PPV and the triple threat ruled but it's a little disappointing to see where they've gone with Cassidy. Not sure what his ceiling is but he feels like he hasn't reached it yet, though maybe it's lowered after this, imo, fumbling.
Cassidy repeatedly got the better of Jericho and beat him to end the feud. And that was Cassidy’s first big feud.
The Jericho leeching/burying to put himself over didn’t start until the MJF feud. AEW just didn’t build on the momentum from the Jericho feud which they’ve done with multiple other people.
Personally, it’s been almost three years of the pockets and light kicks stuff. I’m bored with it (and I don’t understand how it can be a mind game when he’s been doing it for years—does no one actually prepare for matches in AEW?) so comedy midcarder seems like a good spot for him.
Anyway, thought this was kind of a weak show. In that if you missed it, I don’t think it would have been a big deal.
Cole vs Cassidy went on a little too long for me but I’m glad Cole won. It’s cool Kyle O’reilly is in AEW but it was so telegraphed that I don’t think it was a surprise to many.
The women’s match was a little rough starting with Ruby not being able to get her jacket off. Thought she sold her shoulder well but overall I didn’t care for the match.
Bryan Danielson continues to be a great heel on the mic. Judges is a little weird but I think they did that before and they weren’t necessary, so hopefully that’s the case for the rematch.
Dan Lambert’s promo was great. Mocking AEW/Tony Khan for making decisions based on friendship, and comparing getting Cody cheered to mission impossible was hilarious.
Disappointed the Malakai Black Griff match was just a pointless extended squash and didn’t further the House of Black storyline. Was hoping for Brody King or a Julia Hart heel turn.
The main event was a good match. FTR is amazing, they’re better than you’re favorite tag team and you know it.
MJF being the classic chicken shit heel constantly running from Punk was also great.
The highlight of this show though for me was easily Taz’s commentary. So many good lines. Telling Tony that nobody cared he was in North Carolina in 1987 had me dying.
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I wanted him to and really thought Hangman would win but man, that was easily the best match I’ve seen this year.
I liked the Malakai Black promo and what I assume was a Brody King tease. It will be interesting to see if he just has a second/protector of if he’s starting a full blown stable.
I really liked MJF’s pre match promo mocking Punk for the low hanging fruit of going after sports teams and comparing him to Ryback.
The match with Dante was really good too, maybe Dante’s best singles match, so far.
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Heel CM Punk was a nice tease for the future…I hope.
The MJF promo was amazing. I died laughing at the he totally scored with lots of chicks line…so reminds me of some of the guys I went to high school with.
I thought the battle royale was good and I liked the swerve but it’s still weird for me for it to end with two people. I’d prefer it in the future if the previous years winner was just automatically in the match and there was one winner of the battle royale.
It looked like Jamie Hayter broke Riho in half with that back breaker. But I thought it made Hayter look weak to get put down by a knee like that from a 90lb girl that survived offensive moves that looked a lot more violent. I would have preferred some kind of flash pin/roll up to better protect her.
I was surprised Malakai Black spit the mist into Julia Hart’s eyes was surprising…I wonder if there’s going to be a storyline out of that. The announcers were talking about it being corrupting at one point. It’ll probably just set up a match but it’d be interesting if they used it to turn her heel.
It will be very interesting to see Hook wrestle for the first time.
Heel Bryan Danielson is amazing. His destruction of the Dark Order was a lot of fun.
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5 minutes ago, christopher.annino said:
Although I wouldn't bet money on it, it would be really cool to get someone showing up tonight who was on a different show last night. When was the last time something even similar happened? I know there was Rick Rude, which was forever ago...
Wasn’t that actually the same night since that Raw had been taped?
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I thought the opening promo segment was the highlight of the show.
”You might as well be preaching hustle, loyalty, and respect at this point”
and “You’re just a less famous Miz” were my favorite lines.
I also thought the women’s match was really good. Thunder Rosa is a beast.
I liked Danielson beating up Colt Cabana and the Hangman confrontation.
However, I don’t like Hangman challenging him to a match after he just had a match. Why wouldn’t he just say let’s do it next week, instead of letting more of his friends get beat up? At least make the heel avoid the match.
The main event was typical chaotic AEW tag multi-person style but the best part was Arn and Tully facing off. Glad Malakai didn’t lose another match too.
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3 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said:
I absolutely agree on JR's credibility to the average viewer. That also means when he's burying elements of the product, and its performers (shitting on Yuta tripping because of his shoes; wonder how the EVP Bucks feel about that), he's reaching that same audience as a disservice to the company. I agree the in ring performers should not bury the refs and sometimes do, but who's doing that as blatantly as Jim on commentary. There's a difference between bending rules and 'comically blantant(ly)' breaking them in front of the ref. I see the former plenty, but rarely see the latter. It's mindboggling to me that Tony doesn't discuss Jim's shortcomings with him directly in a way that positively changes his work. Regardless of the criticisms, Jim remains somewhat of an asset, but he'd certainly be a much better asset with some restrictions.
Yuta tripped and obviously botched a spot as a result. There’s not a lot you can do baby face falls on his face and blows a spot. Or do you just want no commentary for botched spots?
Also, I’d say the fact that you’re harping on JR’s commentary of it and not Yuta blowing a spot means he probably did Yuta a favor with the shoes excuse.
As far as rules go, you have a 10 count outside the ring before you’re supposed to get back in. This is frequently completely ignored in some matches. A couple of months ago the rule wasn’t enforced in the earlier matches, and then in the main event Cody lost to Black because he rushed into the ring to break the 10 count. The inconsistency of rule enforcement is maddening.
In AEW you have 10 seconds to exit the ring after a tag but in a lot of the matches this is disregarded to the flurry of spots they like to do.
I have lost count of how many times a manager or wrestler has hands on a wrestler in view of the referee.
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15 hours ago, Hagan said:
A wrestling commentator is a part of the show. The job is to sell what they’re seeing not continually undercut what the company is presenting. It’s not Joe Buck calling an NFL game. I don’t recall Lance Russell in Memphis doing shit like that. What does Ross’s ‘credibility’ even mean? I’m sure Kevin Kelly doesn’t agree with NJPW booking but he manages to not bitch about their house style.
Credibility of the announcer means that when JR says that “Fans, you’re not going to want to miss the ppv because CM Punk and MJF have a tremendous amount of animosity towards each other and are going to beat the absolute piss out of each other. It will be an absolute slobberknocker ” people still believe him.
And people believe him more than (most if not all) other announcers precisely because he doesn’t lie to us and call a pile of crap a bouquet of roses. And has literally been a straight shooter on commentary since a lot of us were kids.
As part of the show it’s the wrestlers job to not bury the referees and announcers by doing stupid and unnecessary things that make everyone else look stupid.
The comically blatant disregard of the rules to get their stuff in also isn’t the “house style” either.
Because numerous wrestlers are consistently able to operate within the confines of the commonly known rules (and only break them behind the backs of the officials).
Also, recall that Jericho called a talent meeting shortly after Dynamite debuted and laid into the tag teams for not following rules, including ones as basic as tagging in. Another thing Tony Khan didn’t stop despite these house style claims.
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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:
As @Matt Dtried to say already, if TK is fine with the rules being flouted, then that’s how it goes and I guess what you assume are the rules are not. If the company allows triple teaming, and then JR shits on the triple BTE trigger, as he did a few weeks ago, then he’s the one who is wrong. If Ross dislikes the way AEW presents wrestling, he needs to talk to TK, because shitting on it on commentary is counterproductive.
Maybe Tony Khan is fine with wrestlers flouting the rules in front of the officials who do nothing about it but then he must also be fine with JR shitting on the rule flouting since it’s been over two years and he hasn’t stopped it yet, and he’s literally on the headset every show.
I don’t like when wrestlers blatantly flout the rules in front of the officials, so I appreciate JR giving a voice to my frustrations. So it’s not counter productive to me or the people who have a similar view.
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26 minutes ago, Matt D said:
So I'm not as into the mind reading either. I don't think JR hates the product. I think he wants to be there. I think he wants to contribute. I think he doesn't need it to be mid-south. He wants to do his best.
I just don't think he's capable to do it at high level over a span of time anymore. Which might be even more insulting than what other people are saying, but that's my impression.
As for calling out the refs on camera? That does no one any good unless it's a specific story element of the match. If he thinks it's a problem, he should talk to Tony Khan off camera. It's his job to cover for that shit and to provide reasons, not to further expose it. Say that the action is moving too fast or that the heels are too tricky or that the ref, like any other normal human being is intimidated by the monster heel, etc. You don't bestow credibility on something by shitting on it. You do your job and lend your credibility to it. And if you have a problem doing your job because what's on screen, you take that up with your boss instead of doing the opposite of your job on live TV.
You can’t bestow credibility on anything if you aren’t credible yourself.
And if you insult the intelligence of your audience by assuming that they don’t know basic rules (that are too frequently ignored by AEW officials) you lose credibility.
Because it’s live tv we can see it and wonder what exactly the purpose of Rick Knox even is. Having an announcer validate that you’re not crazy the referee just isn’t doing his job is actually refreshing.
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13 minutes ago, Hagan said:
At the end of the day, Jim Ross secretly thinks that the WWE is the big leagues and the shit he called in NJPW and AEW is the minor league. It's really as simple as that. He doesn't care because he sees his job as slumming from the majors. He just has zero passion or interest in what he calls except for the occasional moment when he's actually invested or likes what he's seeing.
This mind reading/projection stuff is so annoying because it’s so obviously untrue.
If he didn’t care he wouldn’t take the criticism from people like you so personally.
He’s a 70 year old man that has had multiple bouts of Bell’s palsy, a stroke, and currently has skin cancer (whose treatments he’s scheduled around AEW tv despite “not caring.”).
He doesn’t have his fastball but he’s obviously trying and he has moments that enhance a match more than any of his counterparts because he has more credibility.
And he has more credibility precisely because he doesn’t pretend like the rules don’t exist so a stunt can be performed, and questions what the referees are doing when they don’t enforce the rules which are blatantly violated in front of them.
The fact that maybe 90% of the roster can’t throw a good working punch which is continually exposed by the camera shots they’re using, and that the wrestlers have completely buried the refs since AEW began are all far bigger issues than JR stumbling or using a wrong name.
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14 minutes ago, EVA said:
I haven’t/can’t read the article but it *seems* like SRS is reporting that the finish of FTR/Luchas may have gotten screwed up due to Dax getting injured, and FTR wasn’t happy about it.
Would explain why Dax wasn’t present for the FTR run-in during the Cody match.
The report I saw earlier today said Fenix hit him with a shot that knocked him out about 10 minutes in and he was out of it from that point on (he was supposed to be more involved in the finish to make it more clear) and that there was some heat of Fenix for not checking up on him.
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22 minutes ago, Matt D said:
Page wouldn't want them to do it. No one's making Danielson do it. Danielson wants to do it. The Dark Order wants to do it.
It takes some agency out of Page's hand until maybe he just demands all of them stop and that they have the damn match ASAP. That could be a way to protect Page if he's not keeping the thing too depending.
Danielson's not necessarily a heel, but also not necessarily not a heel.
What exactly is Hangman doing that he wouldn’t just give him the title shot immediately? I don’t see how this scenario wouldn’t make him come off as a a scenario.
The only way I think this idea could possibly work without Hangman coming off as a heel is maybe if Danielson challenged the entire Dark Order to show Hangman what he had coming.
But that would be kind of a dumb thing for him to do instead of just taking the title shot.
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38 minutes ago, Matt D said:
It's a really cool, mostly in-ring, story if they want to go that way. They know Danielson is a force of nature. He's like this godly being summoned down from the heavens and that now roams the earth that no one can stop, not even Miro's god. They also know that he will say yes to any challenge because he just wants to wrestle. So they all challenge him knowing that none of them can defeat him, but maybe, maybe they can collectively, one after another, take enough of a toll that Page can fight him equally, with him as a man instead of as a god. They just have to stay in there long enough with him to do some damage.
It would be a pretty heelish move to have the number one contender for your title go through an entire stable of your friends before actually giving him the title shot he’s already earned.
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23 minutes ago, chriskbrown50 said:
I get a sense the roster knows a Dynamite match is increasingly a rare thing; that in a sense it's a meritocracy to a point. So we are getting some great matches out of everyone, motivated. Sammy tweeted that the last PPV would the last AEW PPV without him - very much acknowledging making the PPV card is not a given, even for someone like him. It will be interesting for AEW if Omega and Jericho are off TV for an extended time, and Mox is out for a while. Surprisingly, I am not worried but actually excited. Break up Inner Circle, etc. Tons of talents ready to step up
Yeah, I was thinking the Pinnacle really ought to have won whichever match that would have ended the Inner circle while watching this.
I think it did its job in elevating Sammy and Santana and Ortiz to the AEW audience but now they’re background characters in a feud centered around a 51 year old Chris Jericho and Dan Lambert. Why?
Other than this and the women’s 6 man which was not very good but at least made Tay Conti look strong…I thought everything else on the show was pretty great.
Also, I think every AEW champion should sign his contract with his opponent’s blood in the future. That was awesome.
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12 minutes ago, just drew said:
Only if they tell them each a different finish.
No, the word going around is that Nia is pretty popular in the WWE locker room for standing up to Charlotte. I don't think bringing her into AEW would be particularly smart, but it wouldn't be a lit match to gasoline the way some folks are saying.
I'd definitely prioritize Keith Lee, Ember Moon and Mia Yim. Taya would be nice for AEW to have, and would be the optimal landing spot for her, but she's a luxury, not a necessity.
I think it’d be more like a ticking time bomb for the well being of any of the women that had to wrestle her considering how terrible and reckless she is in the ring.
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3 hours ago, J.T. said:
So she can go to AEW and do what? Job to Thunder Rosa or Jade Cargill?
She could help ladies like Cargill, Red Velvet, and Anna Jay, etc. get better by providing them with another solid veteran to work with.
They can’t all work with Serena Deeb every week, unfortunately.
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2 hours ago, (BP) said:
St. Louis was supposed to have a PPV and a Dynamite at one point or another that I believe were bumped because of the pandemic. Tony is doing some kind of special edition Dark taping followed by the live Rampage as a make-good.
They pushed the ppv back a week because the UFC is having a ppv (Covington vs Usman 2) and I think Canelo is fighting as well, so it’d be a lot of competition for that night.
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2 hours ago, Matt D said:
I like Silver fine from the little I've seen so far. I think Bunny is used well generally and that Velvet has plenty of upside. Kingston and Punk should be absolutely compelling.
That said, this is still probably the weakest show, on paper, that they've done in a couple of months. Crowd is getting a souped up Dark, but they should still be less exhausted and up for everything at least.
Yeah, I know that Moxley’s situation obviously threw a bit of a monkey wrench into plans but Dynamite was kind of just a show and this looks pretty underwhelming on paper (Kingston Punk is the only thing that interests me going into it).
Usually, it seems like AEW is always picking up a lot of momentum going into the ppvs. But the build so far has felt a little subdued to me.Hopefully, this show will be better than it looks on paper and they’ll build a lot of steam next week…
AEW - January 2022
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I actually think Swole’s lack of pro wrestling talent is relevant, in that her comments seemed to be self-serving excuses for her own short comings.
There is no pro wrestling company that can structure her into being a good wrestler than can talk people into buying a ppv to see her wrestle. If she wants to do that she’ll have to actually recognize her weaknesses and work on improving.
In terms of development, AEW often uses BTE to let lesser known talent try out things and connect with the audience on a smaller stage that “doesn’t count.” It worked with the Dark Order after they looked to be dead in the water, for example. I recall the Young Bucks giving her a segment on BTE for a while but it was not good.
And while Tony Khan’s tweet was clearly not the right move (even if what he said is true), I don’t think people are being sympathetic enough to how insulting it might have been for him to essentially have his own personal experience growing up as a non-white person in America dismissed like that.
Personally, I could see how that would upset him (and how that would lead to him firing back like that). Especially, since as a nerdy and awkward guy growing up in the 90’s he probably endured his fair share of bullying/mean comments about his ethnicity.