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    2024 in Pro Wrestling Podcasts

    in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

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    4 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

    As an aside, during my 1995 rewatch for the Raw after WrestleMania, Jim managed to sneak in, "Well it's like my good friend Porkchop Cash said..." And I was like, "what the fuck?!"

    First off, the fact that Cornette was out here quoting Porkchop Cash and Vince totally no sold it and didn't say, "Porkchop...wait...you have a friend named Porkchop?" is amazing. Second, if Cornette truncated all the bad shit on his podcast (roughly 75% give or take) for nothing but Porkchop Cash sayings, then count me back in.

    PORKCHOP CASH

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    The Purge (Tony's Version)

    in ALL ELITE WRESTLING

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    8 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

    For Prince's Controversy, I would fire half of you ingrates.

    Except Stefanie Sparkleface. 

    ...that is until I get the rights to the Earth, Wind & Fire catalogue. Then, I can make no promises.

    If my dad owned the Minnesota Vikings my wrestling company would be so cool.

    All Octopus Wrestling

    Instead of tunnels we’d have a two entrance ramps on opposite sides. Kayfabe is alive and well in AOW. Separate locker rooms for the heels and baby faces. Saying this, I don’t want the girls to be uncomfortable dressing so near the fellas. Boys stink, amiright ladies. Here, but yourself something nice *hands over a $Twenty* FOUR ENTRANCE RAMPS.

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    The Purge (Tony's Version)

    in ALL ELITE WRESTLING

    Posted

    48 minutes ago, Casey said:

    but I’ve been told, on this board, that there’s no AEW without Omega, Hangman and the Bucks! It’s even in the name!

    It got counteracted. When Kingston started doing his ALL Japan tributes it became fair game.

    2024 in Pro Wrestling Podcasts

    in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

    Posted

    I sadly go back and forth on Bischoff. One of my issues is when people bring up WCW Creative decisions, he continuously states he wasn’t the booker. But at the same time will say the only thing he had his hand heavily in was the creation and rise of NWO and the Cruiserweight division. Which is a great BSing move to stay above criticism he lays on AEW while still taking credit for the 2 great things WCW did.

    I usually enjoy when he gets into the deal making and executive stuff. Same with Jarrett. 

    One of the annoying this is when he actively dislikes someone or is getting hotheaded about someone disagreeing with him, he can grandstand and overstate his points. I find his AEW stuff to now be unlistenable. 

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    AEW - APRIL 2024

    in ALL ELITE WRESTLING

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    50 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

    Preaching to the choir. I had a shockingly similar post in either the February or March thread where I said the show would improve with a clear hierarchy for the titles. Or at least giving them distinct identities. I got a lot of push back to that.

    Was that during the party where you got mad because we weren’t playing Bon Jovi and you threw the potato salad on the floor?

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    AEW - APRIL 2024

    in ALL ELITE WRESTLING

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    Hierarchy or something to differentiate them would be nice. I think 3 midcard male single titles is doable with strong enough booking or some form of theme. I personally like the idea of a Pure, TV, Hardcore, or Cruiserweight title when the type of content we get is different from the rest of the show. I also liked an IC and European belt both existing with the idea that IC>European. 

    In theory, the only gimmicked title is the Continental Crown which sounds like the holder gets a free entry into the new annual Continental Classic. And that’s a somewhat weird gimmick. 
    I think the formula we see is that the way the belts are booked are similar but switched which title is in that rotation. You have the open challenge champion, the workhorse bangers maker champion, the evil heel that stays away from defenses, the revolving door hot potatoes participants, and the absent champion. Most of the midcard title runs have been one of these. 

    Even if you don’t want to overly gimmick them but still need some form of branding, and were interested in OCTOIMMEDIATETHOUGHTS:

    TNT - Face of the Network, you get all the perks and tweets of the celebs.

    International - Weekly defenses. 

    Continental Crown - Hard hitting Japanese Strong Style Tokyo Dome King’s Road Suplexes and Lariats

    FTW - Taz adjacent. 

    That isn’t hierarchical and that’s fine, but gives them somewhat flavor. The importance of the belt can be who is holding the title, but to pull that off requires good booking and a strong performance. The All-Atlantic title was kind of a joke because of its roll out and design, but turning it to the International and OC’s great run made it important. TNT title feels special to me because Christian and now Copeland hold it, when Wardlow had it and was a boner against the Law Offices of Sterling & Hobbs it made the title dumb. Same with the Guevara vs Scorpio trash. Roderick Strong looked like a killer beating OC for the International but hasn’t really done anything this month with it. Christian was a hiding heel but managed to make his belt feel special. I loved Kingston’s run and made me care about a belt I initially thought was really stupid. I’m now excited Okada has it. 

    So what am I saying? IDK. Do stuff better? Whatever that means. 
     

    WOAH WOAH WOAH did somebody say retroactive thinking time machine booking?! Ok. 
    I loved Kingston’s run with the belt and Okada is neat, but I wouldn’t have made the Continental Crown a belt. It was short term Triple Crown satisfaction that wasn’t needed and silly when you actually thought about it. Fucking trophies are so fucking sweet. Imagine a giant trophy with an exhausted Kingston being proud next to it. And the back stage pictures of him sitting next to it with a beer and his other company belts. And shaking cool people’s hands. You could have even still had him booked the same but for his ROH belt to get people excited for that PPV. 
    MORE BOOKING FUN?!?!?!

    Roderick Strong weekly defenses but his faction pals interfere and he super multi back breaks everyone to the point of overkill before the pin. It’d get that group over while they wait for everyone to heal. Have Roddy super celebrate like he won the Olympics every time. OR have him or Wardlow or whoever only face local talent and just murder them as they shit talk the town. 

    HOLY SMOKES IM ON FIRE

    How will you book the Swerve vs Samoa Joe?!?!?!???!!!?!!?????!?

    Good match. Bang boom bam. Joe has Swerve in a chokehold. Swerve seems dead but his hands start wiggling before he almost dies. He’s gonna get out of it. Hangman comes out of nowhere and throws in the towel. The ref calls it. Super heel Hangman costs Swerve the match. Hangman kicks him a few times. The almighty Tony Khan has Schiavone announce a match restart. Page has a fit and joins commentary. Joe wins by choke still and I celebrate. 

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    AEW - APRIL 2024

    in ALL ELITE WRESTLING

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    56 minutes ago, jaedmc said:

     

    What is the most interesting part of AEW TV right now?

    What do you feel about the company's future in terms of storytelling and matchups?

    I don't care about financials or ratings.

    Hey bud.

    I really love that Samoa Joe is the champion. Just presence alone, he’s already my favorite one. Best person to have be the face of the main event after the calamity that was the drama year(s). 

    Hangman vs Swerve. The heel-face dynamic somewhat shifting to accommodate fan reactions has been a real treat. This feud manages to do what AEW excels at which is progressing stories through matches while also had a few fun segments and promos. It’s fun seeing the rise of Swerve and also being  an interesting tale of Hangman’s insecurities turning him unlikable. Questionably tapping out early to prevent Swerve from winning was an amazing plot point.

    Danielson vs Ospreay is a classic WHO DA BEST AEW story. They both faced Shibata. Yada yada yada. It’ll be good. Speaking of Ospreay, he really is surprisingly likable. I expect him to be a future face of the company if things continue.

    The New Elite. The Young Bucks as money EVP villains is very fun. Plus they can stand behind Okada who feels like a big deal while also is learning the American tv shorter match style. It is a good pairing.

    I haven’t been into the Mercedes segments but I feel like when the matches against Willow starts, it should be a really fun adventure.

    Adam Copeland finally feels like AEW to me and not WWE. Cope Open is like all the other Derp Opens, but it was cool seeing Matt Cardona show up. Neat. 

    Tag Tournament is no Continental Classic. But when it gets to the semi finals or something hopefully we get bangers.

    Toni Storm does stuff and it’s fun. Same with Don Callis.


    In terms of what I’m enjoying, that’s most of it. I’ll have to look at Dynasty to see what I’m forgetting. It’s been mostly fun. Some stuff I’m not really interested in and a few stories just finished up.

    I hope we get a rise of Kingston after he loses all three of his belts. 

    I assume we’ll see a MJF return. I haven’t been into the Cole Brigade. 

    Darby is hurt. When he comes back it’ll be neat to see what he does in a post-Sting AEW. 

    Jericho & Hook is kinda meh. You can tell it was maybe a double audible after Omega got hurt and Sammy was suspended. 

    Jungle Boy is still in exile, so it’s a great time to be an AEW fan. He’ll likely show up again and maybe get Ospreay or Okada fired. 

    Samoa Joe is still champ which is cool. Not sure if anyone’s mentioned that yet. 

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    2024 Puroresu General Discussion

    in JAPAN

    Posted

    On 3/31/2024 at 8:49 PM, Kang said:

    I dunno if that's real or just Tokyo Sports kayfabe stuff. I did read about Nakajima leaving AJPW? Probably heading to the west. Maybe.

     

    Where do you think he’d go?

    AEW/ROH Finances, Ratings, etc.

    in ALL ELITE WRESTLING

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    3 hours ago, Craig H said:

    And I see we’re off to the races with his “I just choked him a little bit” remark. I think the funniest take I’ve seen is that he only choked a little bit in his UFC career or judging by his UFC performances choking someone a little bit was the best he could do.

     EDIT: Wrong thread!

    I guess choking can fit in the ratings thread. 
    YABADABADOO

    WAKKA WAKKA

    HERES YOUR SIGN

    AEW - APRIL 2024

    in ALL ELITE WRESTLING

    Posted

    Ok, I watched most of the interview earlier. I don’t think I’ll finish it, so I’ll ramble on what I saw.

    I’ll start by admitting I have a bias against Ariel Helwani. Maybe I’m wrong on this, but because of this I won’t really focus on his contributions too negatively. What did it for me was the confrontational interview with Tony Khan (which as a journalist is totally fine if that’s your style of interview) but then following it with a HHH interview that was take and didn’t have any questions of the very newsworthy Vince McMahon who was in the midst of being kicked out or returning to the WWE. The term WWE shill was used by someone earlier and him getting WWE celebrity in the crowd treatment during a WWE PLE during all that where Michael Cole coyly referenced the TK interview was enough to show he shouldn’t be taken seriously.

     

    Oh hey, CM Punk. Neat.

     

    He’s a very interesting and complex individual. Taking into account that this is clearly his perspective and what he believes, I found this to be a very compelling watch. His AEW run has made me appreciate him a little more as a performer and also as the type of person that would be great in a tv drama. His contradictions and self righteousness really round out his character. It’s like loving Bruiser Brody because of the mystique of anything could happen and he could savagely wreck anyone. CM Punk can be defending a friend or being a prick and in both scenarios it is believable. It’s not that it’s tough being a Punk fan now, but that it likely always was. As he gets older he’s now the crabby or tell it like it is Gen Xer that doesn’t care but is also the center of attention that is surrounded by Millennials and Zers. Fighting the system but kind of likes and needs the machine at the same time. He’s fascinating for sure. Waxing poetically, so if I go too far or hurt feeling I’ll take it back do to lack of spine.

    Going off of memory on this. I was watching while pretending to work. And by pretending, I was just on my phone:

     

    The comments on Collision were neat. He did not think it was a good idea. Even wishing he’d be let go before that. There was a feeling that he was trying to establish that he wasn’t really in charge of the show both not wanting to do it and being dragged to resolve issues (more on that later) but he regularly would say “my show” and even catching him selves a few times with saying it. Selfishly, even though he didn’t think the separation would have worked, I wish it did because Punk, Danielson, Starks, and FTR as the main regulars would have really been my favorite show.

    Jungle Boy was painted in a bad light. Because we all know it was single-handedly his fault, I won’t give too much of my thoughts. Bringing up the first Glass argument involved Jack swearing at Tony Schiavone beforehand. I don’t know if we’d ever get it, but a perspective from Schiavone on everything would be great podcasting. Punk downplays the ALL IN altercation but then mentions that he choked him. It’s hard to imply that you were the calm and rational one when you mockingly end with that. This is one of the times he says he quit. He continued to do the match out of respect for Jerry Lynn, Samoa Joe, and the ref I forget. After the match Jungle Boy was put in timeout and CM Punk wasn’t asked to leave. Then the head security guard awkwardly hinted at it and Punk retells it like “What would make you job easier, pal.” Saying that, I never had Nado’s but it would have been funny to eat with the Punk gang afterwards.

    Punk states he didn’t do anything g to threaten Tony Khan after Ariel brought up the “feared for my life” line from TK. Whether it is an over-exaggeration or legitimate concern, it is safe to assume that if he is willing to choke someone and then in front of people quit before the match with the largest audience of the company and you’d preform in front of, I doubt it wasn’t more intense than implied. 

    I find the CaNt TaLk AbOuT aLl OuT bUt I hAvE nOtHiNg To HiDe to be disingenuous. It’s played off too fake like neither of them see what the big deal was and that the NDA is silly and he doesn’t have to hide his actions. 

    I will say this is the first time I heard a good point from him on the Hangman promo. Punk says they went over everything beforehand and were having a lovely time, then BAM you got shot on. I still feel it is ironic that you made your career on moments like that, and even hinted at his “WHO CHOSE YOU! SAY HIS NAME, I SARE YOU” line at Drew was adlibbed, yet it happens at you and it nearly tanks an entire company. BUT, yeah, if you go over your promo together and then that happens I’d be pissed too. It likely wasn’t as Leave It To Beaver beforehand, but still. It is silly to hear Punk say that because everyone was so loud he couldn’t hear it at first, it reminded me of when comics roast each other and one is too prideful to admit they got bested. Afterwards he says Page said he did it for the Colt. 

    For the Colt stuff and the drama stuff and the stuff stuff, I think everyone looks bad. It comes off too cliquey. 

    That was the moment everything became terrible for Punk. He talks about how Tony didn’t do anything. Even with the Jungle Boy stuff, at one point he says TK said “What do you want me to do?” I’m not going to go too hard on the specifics of that quote because it’s likely a which person are you going to believe if we got both sides of the story. SAYING THAT, based off of this and interviews from Marko, Joey Janela, Punk not being picked up form the airport, a female wrestler I forget the name of, other stuff, Matt Hardy (listing all this stuff I’m rolling my eyes at myself) it is safe to assume AEW is maybe poorly structured (whatever I mean and can tangibly point to?) and has/had bad communication/ HR/ Talent Relations. That’s fair of a young company that grew very quickly (I’ve seen someone say that once so I’m going to pretend I know what I’m talking about). 

    I don’t know if Punk would have worked out long term in AEW. Even without the Hangman situation derailing perfect job. It could have been something else that would have set him off. A non-confrontational authority couldn’t fix it. In the past, an over-structured environment caused him unhappiness (and he quit, but that is also due to company dysfunction and a lawsuit, etc, so I won’t go too far into that). I’m sadly expecting his current run in WWE to end eventually in drama after the honeymoon period. What will he do when Seth or Roman zing him hard enough in an unplanned promo moment? Will he feel comfortable to demand HHH and the company lawyer to make him apologize? I do feel (let me rest my tentacles in my psychiatric armchair) that a part of the drama that unfolded in AEW is a bit of How dare they do that to me of all people? Punk hold himself up throughout by implying that because TK didn’t side with him or do what he felt was best they must not “care about making money” which is a tad self righteous.

    I do find it interesting that he says there were more positives than negatives. Which I agree with. The Punk run in AEW was very special. The MJF feud was one of the best in wrestling and I loved his Kingston match. 

    I have a bit of a conspiracy: WWE tries to create narratives and repetitive talking points about their competition. Early WCW jabs involved the wrestlers being old or McMahon going on about how they don’t know how to treat or book talent like The Giant or Ric Flair. With AEW it was originally about Blood and Guts, which AEW brilliantly turned into an alternative positive. HHH on a few occasions even tried to push people calling themselves EVP’s as a joke. I feel the current talking point is that AEW is only dream matches and no stories. Then dunk in the attendance. I feel the lack of story complaint is very overstated, but was extremely successful at getting the desired narrative across to be regularly repeated. No Stories is the “Sleepy Joe” of wrestling. I suspect it when I heard it from Becky Lynch and then Punk here. Getting the message across.

    The line about guaranteed contracts maybe being bad was fucking stupid for how worker’s rights he’s implied. I’m chalking it up to him trying to bash the young AEW guys while also dunking on their poor attendance and not thinking through his point rationally against his general personal ideologies:

     

     

    The backstage at WWE story was funny. Punk getting help from Liv Morgan to find his EarPod was great. The Betrayal line was good. It looks bad doing that, but at the same time I believe you had Adam Cole and maybe others derpin around before working for the company. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bayley, Naomi, and Tamina were also backstage to be buds with Mercedes. I get it but eh to everyone involved.

    I was a tad confused on Punk talking about almost coming to WWE earlier. He said it almost happened and then said when he took the Fix deal that he didn’t want to do WWE? But then called it a maybe back door to get in? Or that because the handshake deal fell apart he didn’t want to ease back into a WWE Deal? Either way, it would have been wild to see what would’ve happened in that multiverse.

    I didn’t get to the stuff about Colt Cabana trying to talk with him. So I won’t comment unless a clip gets posted. But, eh. 

     

    All in all, good stuff. I find Phil Brooks to be an interesting person. I don’t blindly trust the things he says and likely might even assume the other side is closer to right in a few cases. And in some, maybe he’s right. I could see myself and my mental health maybe getting just as paranoid in a similar situation. I’m more of a passive aggressive Minnesotan than a in your face Chicagoan, so it’s probably be different, but pre-meds and self actualization I’ve been known to explode on a piece of shit coworker. Call me Davey Tough Stuff.

     

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