caley
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Also, the Cena heel run might not be making especially enjoyable matches, but the heat was absolutely nuclear last night. I love how they popped for his music, booed his entrance, cheered for R-Truth like he was 1980s Hulk Hogan, popped huge for Cena seeing the error of his way, booed when he cheated again. I don't know if the Cena "I'm going to ruin wrestling" really makes a lot of sense given his ties to The Rock and his being on the board of directors etc. etc. etc. but it has made for some unbelievable crowd reactions.
I wonder how long it goes on for because I think you HAVE to let Cena run out the last few weeks (months?) as a face for his and the fans' sake. If Cena doesn't see "the error of his ways" until his last appearance or whatever, I think it would be a failure of a run.
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Man Jesse Ventura on commentary was great in how uncomfortable it made Cole/McAfee. I miss the days when colour commentators went on unhinged tangents and things were just less corporate and over-produced. Ventura mocking Priest's exit while Cole and McAfee tried to explain it ("He's making a statement by walking out!" "Well if you're gonna do that at least go over the top!") and refusing to let it go when Cole and McAfee are desperately trying to move on was amazing.
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I kinda think you could debut Tony D in his current gimmick, somewhere very Italian-friendly (Chicago, given his billed city) and make a big deal of it (Maybe pay some guys to lose their shit in the crowd over him), give him a big win, have him throw his opponent in the trunk and drive away and if he's over enough there it can transfer to other cities where they react favourably to appear to be in on him the same way he was his first night.
Alternately, he would be a great heater (Even though he's not HUGE huge) for a cheating heel (Dom, for instance, if you wanna keep him heel!) and you can kind of build out his character from there.
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https://youtu.be/QXlqF7g-tjU?si=cwIUwUIWY2a2SgSu
How was I not aware, until today, that Goldust was once on Conan O'Brien, in character as a guest. It goes...it goes about as well as you'd think.-
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32 minutes ago, SirSmUgly said:
This whole WCW versus New Japan angle flopped both artistically and business-wise, didn’t it? Oh well, at least we get some interesting inter-promotional matchups at this show. This is the final WCW PPV that feels truly international, I think.
This show blew my mind as a teenager. I was vaguely aware of Japanese wrestling as a friend had taped that Superbrawl with Flair-Fujinami and had seen Great Muta once or twice, but I somehow had no concept that there were more than 1 or two Japanese wrestlers, never mind a whole federation including a guy with a sweet bodysuit and mask. I used to leave my TV on the PPV preview channel and look up and intently watch every time the Starrcade promo would come up (Had all the wrestlers standing in a row while Sonny delivered a motivational speech: "Liger? Fly high. Come down hard on WCW!" I can still remember that some...sigh....30 years later. But the new password I made LAST WEEK for my Apple account, completely gone!
Oh, I should add, blew my mind as a teenage before I actually saw the show. All I saw was the preview and I may have listened to it in squigglevision.
I finally tracked down a copy maybe 4-5 years later and gleefully purchased it and was STUNNED how matches with guys I had seen in good matches (Liger, Chono, Ohtani) and guys I had heard good things about (Kanemoto, Tenzan) wrestling actually good WCW wrestlers could be so stunningly BORING.37 minutes ago, SirSmUgly said:Onoo does some boilerplate sexism on the mic toward Kimberly; Kimberly responds with some boilerplate racism. Le *sigh*.
This is where she calls Onoo "Hop Sing", right? And the crowd is mild for it, everyone is mild for it, except Dusty Rhodes who flips out: "Hop Sing! She said Hop Sing!" [laughs uproariously].
42 minutes ago, SirSmUgly said:I dream of this match entering its finishing run.
This match was impossibly boring. Three great wrestlers in a poorly-structured mach should be able to overcome it and present something interesting but it is SO long and SO dull that it's one of the most disappointing things I've ever seen.
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On 5/14/2025 at 4:29 PM, Elsalvajeloco said:
ECW is gonna have a lot of these cause they were an unofficial feeder promotion throughout much of their existence. Hell, Ron Simmons had a very good run with ECW for a little while and that's one people don't really mention.
For what it is was, I would say Hakushi in WWF. He had the equivalent of a typical territory run: Got a solid push as a heel w/ a manager, had some decent to very good matches and only lost really to the stars, turned babyface out of the blue, and closed by doing the jobs he needed to do on the way out. He didn't overstay his welcome, and he fulfilled his duties as a guy in the middle of the card.
I watched a Hakushi-Sabu match the other day and, man, does his entrance lose a lot of his mystique without simple things like lighting and, oh yeah, music. Watching him walk to the ring, the same slow gait that he used in WWF and costume, but under glare-y gymnasium lights with no audio accompaniment was really jarring.
IIRC Bret Hart loved wrestling him, he said they had a really good match, then everyone after ate him up so when he got progammed against him again he decided to make him look good.
On 5/14/2025 at 6:34 PM, J.H. said:Didnt Super Calo and El Mosco de la Merced havr cup of coffee runs towards the end of ECW? I seem tobremember Ikuto Hidaka there as well
James
Hidaka was one of those guys, like Tajiri and Crazy actually, who got super over with the ECW crowd but it took them forever to get behind. He had good to great moments in ECW, but the only real thing they did with him was have Joel Gertner call him "Poky-mon" because he was Japanese and taking the US by storm.
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On 5/14/2025 at 7:24 PM, Casey said:
so Gabe Kidd is helping because he hates AEW, I guess? I dunno, I still have a bad taste in my mouth over him during Speaking Out, so whatever.
Wouldn't it be wild if Mariah May returned at the end of the Toni/Mina match? It's not going to happen, but it would be funny.
Considering the absolute hoops they dove through last night to discuss Mina and Toni's history without once mentioning Mariah May, I'd say it's highly unlikely ("Toni and Mina were involved in a sort-of love triangle" which if you were unfamiliar with their past, you'd wonder how they had a triangle with only two people!).
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3 hours ago, The Green Meanie said:
Are we going to see that weird red spider again and/or will it be explained?
So that WASN'T something I thought I might have imagined/hallucinated?!
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23 minutes ago, Swift said:
Just catching up on this thread... how the frick have there been 3 different "Duke"s mentioned on the last couple pages, all separate of each other?
Apparently Brock's other son is named "Turk" which is just amazing.
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http://bsky.app/profile/jonlanenhl.bsky.social/post/3loorazfecc2p
I have no idea how to make these things work but..
per johnlanenhl on blusky
"Duke Lesnar, a 14-year-old forward eligible for the 2029 NHL Draft, was selected by Medicine Hat (WHL) after he had 28 points (13 goals, 15 assists) in 30 games for Notre Dame in the CSSHL U15. His father is pro wrestler Brock Lesnar. His mother, Rena, was Sable in WWE in the late 1990s and 2003."
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1 hour ago, SirSmUgly said:
I'm generally aligned with you on this. Dusty/Dustin vs. Flair/Jarrett was the perfect way to use all those workers for that match in front of that crowd.
Maybe the Nitro book is the source that covers this, but it's on record that he and Ed Ferrara mainlined that stuff while writing shows for the WWF.
It definitely shows, what with groups like The Oddities and all. Not that I would bestow this task upon my greatest enemy, nor that it may even be feasible, but it would probably be interesting to see how many plotlines/dialogue were lifted directly from 'Jerry Springer'. Given the perceived (or deserved) low-brow nature of both outlets, I can't imagine either side would be terribly concerned with the lifting of content or willing (Able?) to pursue it in court.
You know, I should really read that Nitro book...
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On 1/29/2025 at 11:49 PM, SirSmUgly said:
..Dave wants Buff to take a DNA test, and Buff bops the doctor with his mic to get out of it
Ah Russo finally gets to the zenith of daytime talk tv (which he is clearly obsessed with, how many hours of Jerry Springer must've have watched!), the Maury paternity test!
As an aside, I found someone on YouTube who has uploaded nearly every episode of The Soup from 2007-2009 and it is STAGGERING just how much bottom-of-the-barrel reality tv there was (Cheaters, Stag Party, Tool Academy, Operation Repo (the latter of which I will cop to being a fan of for a bit!)). And I just wonder how much awful reality tv Russo must have cribbed from around this period of he was still booking (or was he still with TNA?!).
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On 1/25/2025 at 12:03 AM, SirSmUgly said:
The lighting person damn near drops a light on Jeff Jarrett as Jarrett walks down a hallway…A WCW tech tracks down the forklift that he’s been looking for and drives it away from in front of Booker’s door…
(Yes I am just now getting caught up in This thread) This made me laugh really hard -the light part- and kind of encapsulates late-era WCW
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Every time I stumble across WWE LFG it's the most bizarre thing WWE has on the air. The Legends (Undertaker, Bubba Ray, Booker T, Mickie James) are always pissed off about some way the prospective wrestlers have screwed up or disrespected their opponents, or disrespected pro wrestling, or disrespecting the legends. But it's hilarious because the Legends and the announce team both talk about them "performing" ("You had three extra minutes, you should have used that to try and impress us and the audience rather than just padding it out"), take them to task for not being professional, but also seem to suggest that the matches are on the up-and-up ("He should have gone for the pinfall there!"). I'll admit I seldom last more than 5 minutes on this show.
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2 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:
... I mean this with love, but I think this joke has run its course.
It will never die!
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6 hours ago, JLowe said:
Let’s see, the first time I think he felt like the crowd wasn’t as enthusiastic in chanting/clapping for an encore as he had hoped. So he berated the crowd for a few minutes and then the band came out and played a few songs anyway.
The other time, at Lollapalooza, he and James were kinda chippy with each other all set and (once again) during the encore both just started sorta yelling and screaming into the mics through a wall of feedback and noise for a minute or so. It was pretty awesome.
I always liked when they played 'Disarm' at the MTV Awards when it was really popular, but turned it into a scream-y, feedback-y 2:30 mess then swung his guitar at the microphone and seemed to trip over the chord on the way offstage, rendering it a lot less cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAPPciGdvPY
It was a funny middle finger to MTV (Whom likely pressured them to play it) but not as good as Nirvana wanting to play 'Rape Me' on the awards and being told not to and the supposed panic in the production room when they played the opening bars to it, before playing the agreed-upon 'Heartshaped Box'
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They should actually bring Bischoff out (The heat would be NUCLEAR) then have someone popular (Hook, Toni, Swerve, Darby) run him out of the arena. It would be a great moment and I'm sure Bischoff would do it for any amount of money.
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I really wanted to watch tonight, but either (Canadian) USA didn't air it or my DVR didn't record it. Either way, I don't get to see it.
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There used to be a wrestler with a local fed whom, when they toured through here, rolled out of the ring and threw up on the floor. And I posted on their messsageboards about how impressed I was that he was able to work through it and one of the regulars (We only saw them every 4-5 months or so) of the fed was like "Uh, don't be impressed, he does this almost every match." So I guess the guy just liked to party and to wrestle.
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5 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
waiting for the reunion of Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus where they just retcon the last 2 years or so Jungle Boy
"Where's my ice cream van?! What are you talking about?"
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51 minutes ago, ExcellenceofAirPollution said:
I thought Wednesday's show was good, but one criticism was they had Swerve saying he was going to find Moxley by the end of the night then we never saw him again or (I think) heard the announcers bring it up again the entire night. I'd completely forgotten about it and when they cut to the back after Cope-Claudio I was like, "oh yeah, Swerve wanted to get his hands on Mox" and I almost missed it because I'd thought about just skipping Cope and Claudio all together. The interaction with Hanger and Swerve was huge but I'm guessing a lot of people missed it
It made me think of attitude era WWF where you would have had a half dozen vignettes of SCSA throughout the show looking for whoever and the announcers talking about it over every match. It was overkill, but you wouldn't forget to stick around to the end. How's the Swerve thing a hook if you never remind anyone he's looking for Mox? There should have been a couple segments and a few mentions on commentary
EDIT*. also the announcers kept talking about Death Riders attacking Jay White.....but it was never shown? They were talking about it during the first match like I was supposed to have seen it
EDIT2* since I'm still here and thinking of Jay White......why did they never address the BBG when the Gunns came back and had their title match (and disappeared again)? Was there a backstage segment with them and White that I missed or was it just blown off?
I THINK they showed Swerve once more looking angry before the final thing and mentioned.
EDIT*: Jay White was beaten up offscreen as cover for his real injury. So it never happened but it did. But no they never showed it.
EDIT*8: I don't think so. The Gunns got hurt, came back as faces with no mention of the rest of the group, then disappeared again.
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7 hours ago, Technico Support said:
There’s a “Blunt Road” by me. They had to put the sign on an extra high post because it kept getting stolen.
Reminds me of there being an 'Old Town Road' in Sicamous, BC and fans of the song kept stealing the sign, so in a move with unusual foresight for a small town, they just started selling 'Old Town Road' signs and apparently made a lot of money.
Which also reminds me of when the 'Weed Man' yard maitenance company first opened back when I was working in a fast food place and the guy came in to eat and had this exchange:
Clerk: So you're the Weed Man, huh?
Weed Man: Yeah, haha, I guess so.
Clerk: The WEED Mannnnnnnn!
WM: Uh yup.
Clerk: [nodding] The WEED MAN!!
WM: Uh huh. Oh. Ohhhh....that's why people keep stealing our signs.-
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2 hours ago, Technico Support said:
Claudio has this weird jacket with what looks like wax seals holding strips of paper to the jacket. I have no idea what the fuck that shit is.
LOOOOOL I just Googled it and they're "purity seals" from Warhammer 40k. I still have no idea what the fuck that shit is.
I thought it was a nice way for him to not forget his grocery and/or to-do lists.
I LIKE that coat (well I did until you explained it to me)! I was hoping it would be explained as being notes with the names of his victims on it, sealed in blood. I was not hoping it would be some board game stuff!
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I'm pretty over the whole Death Riders deal, but ONE thing it absolutely deserves credit for is improving the character and presentation of Claudio by a million percent. The ominous opera entrance music, the ring jacket, the no-frills tights and ABSOLUTELY the German (?) promos; everything about him has been improved immeasurably. Now I think he needs to win some matches (Him being the constantly-defeated gatekeeper from Mox is the only thing hurting his aura). As much as I'm cool on the Death Riders, I wouldn't be upset is if Mox ever loses the title, for Claudio to take over the leadership of the group, surrounding himself with a few more like-minded (European?) followers.
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2025 Wrestling RIP thread
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I was just wondering what happened to him the other day when I was watching 'Beyond the Mat' and they showed him being held back after someone had spit on him and it made me remember seeing him in PWI where he was billed as La Migra Maxx Justice and feuding with Hispanic wrestlers.