caley
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49 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
JR compared Lee to Mark Henry for the same criteria he used to compare Sammy Guevara to Gino Hernandez. Really, comparing Lee and Henry is actually far more egregious. Except for the obvious, there is nothing to compare them.
Eh, I think this was just a strength thing. Lee was doing a lot of power spots, JR works with the "World's Strongest Man" and connects the dots. Lee was wrestling primarily a power match, so it's not THAT egregious (unlike the Sammy-Gino one).
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I remember watching that one at a friend's house who ordered the PPV (Pretty much the only time I ever did this before my 20s) and it was so exciting that the winner was going to be World Champ because that belt didn't change hands all that often. I was secretly rooting for Flair and so bummed when he came out at 3, but didn't let on, then was excited when he won as everyone else was mad about Hulk getting knocked out and I pretended I was mad, too.
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I really, REALLY want to believe Ahmed is shouting in Japanese as he performs those moves, but am fairly certain it's just more Ahmed-ese noises "SHAW-DOW-GAWA!"
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1 minute ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:
Wasn’t it more that he hurt himself more often than he hurt his opponents. Remember he’s the only person to wear knee pads on his thighs.
There was that Chris Candido story (that I'm poorly paraphrasing here) where he said that he wrestled Ahmed who hoisted him up in a suplex then just let him go and he fell on his head and Candido thought to himself "Well everyone makes mistakes" then he did it again to him next match and Candido went backstage and said something along the lines of "That guys sucks!" and Ahmed found out and came after him and said he was going to kick Candido's ass and Candido replied along the lines of "Yeah you're bigger than me and you can probably beat me up but this is fake fighting and at fake fighting, you suck!"
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It feels like he's wording it specifically to get people talking about Shane McMahon, but I think it'll more likely be someone from Impact. My guess is, after the namedrop, Josh Alexander.
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1 hour ago, Blue Dragon said:
WWE has signed Santinos daughter.
Ronda was retrained by Ember Moon.
I have a little niece that I help babysit and am now subject to all these bizarre new kid shows. There's one called 'Miss Persona' (It's Canadian) and she has various guests who turn up like Fred Penner (Another Canadian icon) and Alfredo, who is played by Santino who is STILL doing the Italian accent!
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I actually think they should have Lesnar vs Ronda at Wrestlemania in a 'Who Does Vince Love Best?'. Seriously, Shawn Michaels circa 1995 might not be as beloved by Vince as either of those two!
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9 hours ago, Matt D said:
The biggest problem is that they don't let moments resonate into the next segment.
I think this is probably pretty true. Last week when Jade Cargill won the title they put over what a big moment it was for her, for the company, for her daughter then within a short time of winning it, it was "Yeah but someone else is wrestling/talking tonight and we have to cut away really fast" and it kind of cheapens the moment. You spend weeks hyping this tournament as being so important, the title being important, the win being important, Cargill being important and you cut away quickly to something much less important (in kayfabe terms). You gotta let it breathe a bit. Take the time to bask in what you've done well. I don't want it to become 'Raw is Recaps' but I think there's a middle ground in putting over the importance of what's just happened and talking about it all night/replaying it into the ground.
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2 hours ago, Tarheel Moneghetti said:
Fox and USA supposedly want their own champions, according to Meltzer. That's another obstacle to consolidating titles/rosters.
Going to back to Elias, is there a reason he seems to be just sitting out his contract? I've never really heard anything about him wanting out or having heat with the front office. I thought he was still fairly over up to the Phil Shatter feud. It feels like they just gave up on him overnight, which seems odd.
There was that story that they had Elias drop the musician gimmick by filming vignettes of him burning his guitar in a graveyard but had absolutely no follow-up planned and that when he did return Vince felt he looked too much like Randy Savage so they just stopped writing for him altogether.
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15 hours ago, Jiji said:
So if they're pulling the trigger on Wardlow fucking up MJF soon, no way they do the same story with Hayter at the same time. But Hayter is the only credible and immediate challenge to the title that Britt hasn't beaten and they're building obvious tension despite how tonight ended. Britt has kinda cleared out the division of interesting challengers minus Jamie.
I think it's pretty clearly going to be Ruby in a "Can she win the big one?" storyline. They already had Britt and company mock Ruby after losing the TNT finals and Ruby has now lost her two big opportunities (vs Britt after winning the battle royal and against Jade in the finals). So I kinda think they'll have Ruby go for Britt and maybe have Britt/Hayter dissension lead to Ruby getting the win.
Personally, i think it'd be more entertaining to use her in a semi-face role for a bit and try to fend off Allie and Penelope after that bloodbath kinda elevated them.
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14 hours ago, Ramo2653 said:
Moose had a DV arrest in 2009 when he was playing for the Falcons. The period between him leaving ROH and before he popped up in Impact folks assumed he was going to go to WWE but then the story resurfaced and next thing ya know he was in Impact as Mike Bennett's muscle. https://web.archive.org/web/20110927210732/http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2009/05/29/falcons_ojinnaka_arrested.html
This section of the board isn't for debates on how long should someone be barred from doing XYZ because of a prior incident but Moose still defends the Chasyn Rance dude and will occasionally say other really dumb stuff on social media so I wonder if it's a case of WWE deciding the juice wasn't worth the squeeze.
Saying he came back as Bennett's "muscle" was inaccurate...I was watching Impact at the time and he was in REMARKABLY bad shape when he came into Impact. It was fascinating, here he was in ROH looking big and cut, and a week later he was in Impact looking like a human lava lamp..
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I'm actually surprised WWE hasn't split the Royal Rumble into a 2-NIGHT EXTRAVAGANZA! Night 1 you run the Raw World Title, SD Women's World Title and Women's Royal Rumble, and Night 2 you do the SD World Title, Raw Women's Title and Men's Royal Rumble. I think the attendance would be pretty decent as no matter how bad the booking, people always get excited for the Rumble, itself and putting each one on a separate night gives each night a drawing match and reduces the repetitiveness.
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3 hours ago, John from Cincinnati said:
Regal is pure class.
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I loved Bam Bam's late WCW run going after Goldberg with no entrance music and jumping him randomly with the announcers playing off as him not being under contract, I thought it was one of the more believable "He doesn't work here!" runs. There was the one where the car came squealing in and Bam Bam came out of the car and attacked Goldberg and it was so chaotic and well-done that it was probably the most realistic fight WCW had done since the early NWO demolishes WCW angles. If there was anyone planning things in WCW, you could have built this up bigger (especially since Wikipedia said he'd signed a lucrative 2-year deal so might as well get something for the money) and instead of had BBB just fed to Goldberg either done a "Who hired Bam Bam to take out Goldberg?" story or launched the Jersey Triad stable earlier and had DDP using Bam Bam to wear down Goldberg so he could finally beat him. I know it's hindsight and it's WCW, but still!
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9 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:
The tiny trunks Hall of Fame? Give me Orton.
Flyin' Brian-era Pillman heads up this hall for me.
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So it seemed like Barrett was trying to push a different narrative around Stratton than WWE/Stratton herself. Barrett was talking about her rich dad hiring the best coaches and facilities to train his daughter (sort of a Williams' sisters kind of story) which made me think "Hey maybe this gimmick isn't as bad as previously advertised! There's room to bring in someone as a domineering father who pushes his daughter to hard, then have her stand up to her dad and turn face then the dad could bring in another wrestler to teach her a lesson, this could have legs!" then Stratton would dance around blowing kisses and clapping for herself which was clearly something else. Her handspring/flips into the corner was worse than Snooki's where she seemed to almost injure herself on the last flip, pause, then turn around to throw herself into the corner to audible groans and boos.
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1 hour ago, cwoy2j said:
What's the worst match you've ever seen live? I've probably seen more stinkers than good matches as I've gone to Uncensored 2000, some dreadful early 90s WCW house shows and a couple of ECW shows in the late 90s after they lost a bunch of guys to WCW/WWF. Off the top of my head the worst matches I've seen are the Hogan/Flair YAPAIPAPAIAPAPAPAPPIII Strap match, Brian Adams/Scott Norton vs. Jerry Flynn/Fit Finlay at Starrcade 1998 and an awful Steve Corino/Tommy Dreamer comedy match from an ECW house show in 1998 or 99. The whole thing went on for like 40 fucking minutes as Corino was doing his old school interview schtick forever and Dreamer interrupted and they went back and forth on the mic. It was mostly just Dreamer shitting on WCW and WWF for what felt like 20 minutes. Then they had a boring ass match. They had to have just been filling time to cover for the lack of bodies to fill out the show. RVD and Spike Dudley was the main event so that should tell you the level of talent that was there.
My three favourite terrible matches I've seen live:
WCW: Lance Storm vs Mike Awesome. Easy thing to book, have Awesome beat up Storm then Team Canada cheat to win, Storm would get cheered regardless as it was in Canada. Instead it was some mess with Ernest Miller refereeing even though he was the face commissioner trying to mess with the de-facto face Storm. The main even was Godlberg giving Midajah a Jackhammer backstage through a table that we couldn't even see from our seats.
WWE: Vince McMahon vs Brock Lesnar (Steel Cage Match) This was absolutely hilarious in person as the audience was sure they were going to get Lesnar demolishing Vince, only for it to be an angle for Lesnar to turn on Angle. People were FURIOUS.
Indy: Probably the one ECCW battle royal where someone got hurt the night before and someone else didn't make it. So the card was shortened to 6 matches, with wrestlers obviously pulling double-duty under masks without even trying to hide it and someone forgot to bring the music so nearly everyone came out to "Rock n Roll All Night" by Kiss which was really funny when the music would stop, then start from the beginning again for the opponent. Main Event was a battle royal with all the same wrestlers who had previously wrestled (I think it was a 7 man battle royal). I think they continued to play "Rock n Roll All Night" through the match, too. Local favourite Juggernaut who was a big 400 lb hardcore guy, stood in the corner chatting to one of his opponents instead of doing something, another wrestler came up behind him and hit him in the back with a double-axehandle type-of strike and instead of selling it, he turned around and yelled at the guy for disrupting his conversation, he then walked over to the ropes, stepped over and eliminated himself and just left. It was honestly one of the funniest things I've seen, but did feel like a waste of $20
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3 hours ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said:
I'm guessing people still hate The Miz?
That dude is the best heel of the modern era. He can actually garner legit heat.
I saw a bit of "This Week in WWE" (Pretty much the only way to make the shows palatable...and even these are tiresome after the endless "I NEED YOU TO STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW...this business, I love it so much" commercials) and remembered the time when Miz would announce and talk about the birth of his daughter, to fairly huge amounts of heat...so you may be right.
2 hours ago, AxB said:Josh Briggs was exposed for allegedly sexually grooming a 13 year old during Speaking Out. So, quite a bit of baggage there.
Okay since I didn't know his first name or the name of his partner...I clearly did NOT know about this nasty part of his past either! So substitute country guys with Von Wagner and someone else, and my point stands!
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51 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:
The Good Brothers say hello. They were giving significantly higher deals to stay and didn't make it 8 months into the 5 year deals. I'm not saying you're wrong about the likelihood of Owens staying the whole deal at all. I'm just saying we can't really predict the whims of a 75 year old sociopath lol. Owens will be there as long as Vince wakes up and wants him there. The day he wakes up and decides fuck this guy has too many grey hairs in his beard or whatever, he's gone. There's legitimately no logic to who stays and who goes beyond it's what Vince wants on any given day.
There's a big difference between Owens and the GB, though. Owens is a guy Vince clearly likes (Gave him a big debut win over Cena, gave him lengthy title run, worked a program with himself (How many wrestlers still in the company have "Gotten one over" the way Owens did on Vince?!), even gave him a (ultimately aborted) run as the top face on SD working a pseudo Austin gimmick before WWE forgot how those works properly) while Vince never, on the other you have the GB (a guy Vince fired a couple times and another guy whose entire value seemed to be tied to AJ Styles, had limited tag title runs, couldn't really be split up, and one of them is a bit of a concern over social media/family concerns). Owens has been a guy who has been at or near the top of the card his entire WWE run, the Good Brothers were re-signed to be kept away from AEW but never really got any sort of high level run, even with Styles. I think Vince sees a lot of value in Owens in that wherever he wrestles, he gets good reactions and makes guys look good. I don't think he ever saw any value in the GB other than as it relates to keeping them away from others/linking them to Styles.
And to be perfectly honest, Owens fits WWE's style better than the Good Brothers ever did, got himself and others over more than the Good Brothers and does things in the ring and on the mic not easily replaceable by someone in NXT than the GBs. If you wanted to start a new AJ Styles group, you could just as easily bring up those two corny country bar guys in NXT (One is named Briggs...I can't remember or bother to look up the other) as AJ's lackeys and they would be, at minimum, about as good as the Good Brothers were at much less money, at a much younger age, with less baggage. I was pretty excited for Gallows/Anderson in WWE, but they were never given much to do, and never really did enough to force WWE's hand into giving them any more than they got, quite frankly.
tl;dr Vince clearly likes Owens, but never really cared for Gallows/Anderson
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28 minutes ago, Raziel said:
So.. despite evidence to the contrary with multiple hours of TV and PPV's, most of thr roster are lazy coasters cashing checks, got it.
Yeah that argument seems pretty damn disingenuous when you see Charlotte moonsaulting off the top of the turnbuckle to the floor on an almost monthly basis, or even something so simple and common yet easy to hurt/get hurt on like Big E's splash on the edge of the ring.
You can fault WWE for a lot of things, but suggesting the wrestlers who are still getting badly injured and going full-on in the ring are "coasting" is a bad look
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You know a couple weeks back when Punk's music hit and he came out in Chicago I thought to myself "You know if this was WWE they would have played his music, then bought out MJF to SWERVE the audience and build up heat...and it always backfires because aside from the initial cheers turned to boos, all it really does is undercut the actual pop when said face comes out and isn't it refreshing that AEW doesn't do that!" and then last night they did it. They hyped that MJF Long Island return all week and then did the "heel" (in this case face, but they knew he was going to get a heel reaction) walking out to the wrong music, never had MJF come back on him, or even speak in front of the audience and it really played like WWE when they would try to control reactions in Canada and was super disappointing.
Was it me? Or was that battle royal really heel heavy? Like, they kind foreshadowed the Martin turn because I figured there was no way they were going to set up MJF against another heel for next week and the faces were just turfed out of the ring in a real hurry.
Hayter-Riho was awesome. There were a couple times I genuinely thought Hayter had murdered Riho (And once when I thought Riho had murdered Hayter). How impressive was that when Riho came up short and Hayter basically dropped her but still kind of lifted her up from the ground and slammed her into the post?!
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3 hours ago, RIPPA said:
Word going round via Jim Ross is that Blackjack Lanza has passed away at the age of 86
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Meltzer tweeted it but his source might be JR
I know he wrestled for years and that, but the first thing that comes to mind when I hear his name is Jericho talking about Mick Foley doing a promo where he said he was applying sunscreen to a fan who slipped on the sunscreen, fell down and got injured and as they loaded him into the ambulance, said fan looked at Foley and said "Win one for the slipper!" And Jericho was backstage and watched Lanza throw down his cigarette in disgust while yelling "Goddamit, what is he doing?!" before storming off and how when Foley came through the curtain, he asked what Lanza's reaction had been, then celebrated and the entire promo had been done just to mess with him.
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I like to imagine Beth Phoenix watching the monitors on Sunday, knowing it's her last night, and seeing the vignette of Jiro taking a shit and going "Yeah, I made the right choice." What a wonderful feeling that must have been!
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Everyone I expected to win this (Shida (thought they'd give her a run as a partial reward for carrying the belt with no fans); Hayter (have the DDS Family carry all the belts); and Statlander (Thought they had her aimed for a women's title run before her injury)) have all lost out, but I still feel confident with the way things have been going that Ruby gets the title with a roll-up or flash pin over Cargill.
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I kinda want Cody to come out in Terminator gear as Triple H's new protege and grab a microphone and say "WCW sucked actually" and be the biggest heel in everywhere but Vince's mind.