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On 5/4/2025 at 11:17 PM, Andrew POE! said:
Movies today....
The Assassin (Criterion Channel, leaving on 5/31) - 4.5/5 stars
This is my first exposure to Hou Hsiao-hsien as a director. I had seen Three Times (or at least I think it was Three Times) and found it interesting, but wasn't sure I actually watched it or just watched a part of it (I'll have to track it down and watch all the way through).
I'm not as familiar with Chinese cinema as I should be; it and cinema of India and maybe of Korea and Japan are a bit of a blind spot for me. Watching Western directors exclusively does tend to color what types of movies I watch - I'm hoping to see more of them soon.
With that said, I found Hou Hsiao-hsien's movie utterly impressive. In some ways, this felt like a wuxia film directed by Terrence Malick. The entire movie is contemplative and sad, but it's not outwardly shown as such.
The namesake Assassin Yinniang (Shu Qi) does everything but assassinate someone. We see a beautiful black and white sequence where she does - the rest of the movie is about running away from a responsibility as much as it is about confronting it. Yinniang doesn't appear often on screen, but her looming appearance colors what the other characters do in the movie.
The times that Yinniang appears, we learn a bit about her. She relays a story about a bluebird that's told earlier in the movie - "the bluebird was her." The story about the bluebird is due to its isolation for three years, it didn't sing. When faced with a mirror, the bluebird sings then dies. Yinniang as a character is almost an empty vessel - but she can't help to notice the emptiness. She does engage in fighting, but it's to disarm others and with the intent not to kill (except for the scenes in the forest where she saved Tian Ji'an (Chang Chen), her intended target.
Throughout the movie, everything is beautifully shot and painstakingly framed. A lot of the cinematography and sound for the movie is of the actors being in nature; I could hear the birds chirp and wood creak as the actors in almost whispers talk to each other. There's no sweeping dramatics for The Assassin; it's as though the movie is occurring during the time frame naturally.
The drawback is if there's further thought about the movie, there isn't that much story wise. The characters are a bit empty and it left me having to fill in the blanks on the significance of each character. Why Yinniang felt a sense of loyalty to Tian Ji'an isn't readily known - as Jiaxin (Fang-Yi Sheu) puts it, "Your skills are matchless, but you are encaged by human sentiment." Yinniang perhaps sees Tian Ji'an as a reminder of her past life rather than an intended target and reminder of her current life as an assassin.
From this, I'll be trying to seek out other movies from Hou Hsiao-hsien and from other directors of the region.
The Surfer (saw at the theaters) - 2/5 stars
I’m fine with movies that are strange and only make sense to the filmmakers. The audience isn’t expected to understand nor find themselves identifying with the characters in a movie, so long as the overriding point or idea is arrived at the end.
The Surfer with Nicholas Cage as the erstwhile surfer had me wondering “where” they were going with the movie or “what” they were trying to do.
Is Cage’s character a “ghost” of the homeless man he encountered? Is he dead or participating in a purgatory he can’t escape? Is he really a native Australian who moved back with unknown means (other than being a writer) to purchase a house?
Why not all three?
The Surfer as a movie seems to make a statement about hardcore toxic masculinity and about communities that close themselves off to “preserve” their ideas of what they want. It could be said it’s talking about the conservative movement in the world and people like Andrew Tate sharing false ideals to younger people. The movie comes close to say that this is Its Point, but it’s never really clear.
Most of the movie is Cage going through a quasi-Fight Club / Requiem for a Dream psychosis where his character imagines himself as having once been wealthy enough for an oceanfront house then meeting and becoming the homeless guy he meets (Nic Cassim). I was convinced leading to the ending that the Bum was a figment of the Surfer’s imagination or a depressed/depraved version of himself.
In the end, who knows. The Surfer stylistically as a movie conjures up a similar vibe in its cinematography and score to late 1960s/early 1970s movies like Easy Rider and The Swimmer but executes its conceit so poorly.
Thunderbolts* (saw at the theaters) - 3.5/5 stars
The most obvious touchstones for Thunderbolts* are three movies - Watchmen, Logan, and Avengers. Thunderbolts* focuses on what it means to truly be 'good' in a comic book world like the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The movie opens with Yelena (Florence Pugh) listlessly talking about the void in her life as she goes through her assignment to take down an OXEGroup lab. The 'who' and 'why' isn't really solved, but does tell us of a main character with Yelena who is bored with being a costumed hero.
We see her dad Alexei / Red Guardian (David Harbour) who is sadly in a messy apartment while his limo is outside (which reminded me a bit of Logan's start in Logan and his driving a limo). The movie never shows Alexei driving around (probably because the comparison would become too obvious). After meeting with Alexei, Yelena takes 'one last job' (like Logan did in his movie).
Yelena meets with John Walker (Wyatt Russell), Ghost (Ava John-Kamen) and Taskmaster (Olga Kurylenko) and fight against each other until meeting Bob (Lewis Pullman). Taskmaster gets killed in the first five minutes of meeting her (bad Marvel bad), which completely undoes everything about the character from the standalone Black Widow (why introduce a character if they won't make through a later movie?).
Behind the characters meeting and trying to kill each other is Valentina Allegra de Fontaine (Julia Louis-Dreyfus). Louis-Dreyfus is a bit like her character from Veep except more evil (and possibly more like the perception of Hilary Clinton). At the start of the movie for her character, Valentina is being brought forth on impeachment charges; obviously given what the US went through with a Congress trying to impeach a President (twice), it's hard not to read the current political climate into that. Like anything else in Washington DC, it's team sports and professional wrestling; de Fontaine takes a picture with the congressman who brings forth the impeachment inquiry. In a committee, they play a part but outside of it, it's different.
Bob (Pullman) as a character is vastly different than most other MCU characters I've seen; Pullman's portrayal and arc reminded me a lot of Billy Crudup's turn as Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen. Both characters are beyond human existence, yet Sentry/Bob is focused on darkness and internal issues due to what Yelena tells him, "I just push it down and stuff it inside," she says. Sentry takes it to heart and literally wonders what any of this means. People are seemingly zapped out of existence as a literal creeping darkness appears.
What reminded me of Avengers was the way the characters that were fighting each other and not getting along came together to rescue people from wanton destruction - which also happened in Avengers during the attack from Thanos' minions.
One scene that I really liked was between Pugh and Harbour. Yelena breaks down and recounts what she does on a daily basis. "Daddy, I'm so alone. I don't have anything anymore. All I do is sit, and look at my phone, and think of all the terrible things I've done; and then I go to work, and then I drink, come home to no-one, then I sit and think of all the terrible things I've done again..." Pugh and Harbour's acting in that scene broke my heart (which if you remember from We Live In Time, that was the entire movie, now I need to watch that again....).
Thunderbolts* as a movie cinematography wise is a bit greyed and dulled to match the darkness in Sentry and the mental health issues/depression in Yelena. Nothing is really standing out cinematography wise and everything has a brown color to the world; it's hard to want to see the team save the world when it looks so drab. Really the movie's story is of Yelena and Sentry's story. The other actors involved aren't as to the forefront. I did find it interesting the movie cast two sons of famous actors (Bill Pullman and Kurt Russell) to play Marvel characters.
The last 15 minutes were a bit rushed for me as the rest of the characters entered the Tarkovsky-like interior world where Bob is reliving his memories. Those characters were seemingly unaffected, unlike Yelena who had an extended sequence leading to seeing Bob again. I did love the usage of dolly zooms as Bob & Shadow Bob fought each other and the characters were pinned against the wall.
The last movie I saw of Jake Schreier's was the disappointing Paper Towns. Like that movie, Thunderbolts* focuses on the ordinariness of the characters and has its characters going to a place untouched by the rest of the world (Agloe in Paper Towns and a secret lab in Thunderbolts*). I really want to see what Schreier does next. I somewhat hope he works with Florence Pugh on another movie because she was the standout throughout the entire movie.
Thunderbolts* won't make the cover of the Wheaties box, but it won't be on the Great Value Wheaties box either.
Strip Nude For Your Killer (Criterion Channel, leaving on 5/31) - 2.5/5 stars
An average giallo film. Nothing is really extraordinary about it other than The Umbrellas of Cherbourg's Nino Castelnuovo as an overly aggressive photographer named Carlo. Carlo doesn't help his cause and there's something inherently gross about the way the characters are in this movie; it's almost a bit manipulative and sleazy.
In some ways, the movie is more like softcore porn like Emmanuale than a true giallo.
Although there's something a bit sad about Maurizio (Franco Diogene) trying to sleep with Doris (Erna Schurer) after driving fast to his house with her. I was amazed at the sequence with the driving and wondered how they pulled that off and if they drove in actual traffic to achieve those shots. It's seems a bit like what Friedkin did in The French Connection.
Some of the scenes toward the end were a bit too dimly lit for me and made the actors barely visible on screen.
Also, the ending has Carlo attempting to coerce a woman into sex. Yuck.
Cedar Rapids (Max, leaving on 5/31) - 2/5 stars
The movie poster for this is the stuff of nightmares. Ed Helms with a look of either shock, surprise, or terror. Take your pick.
With the actual movie, it's easy to see which insurance company is being referenced or at least a composite of independent agents that set up their own companies. The movie is 'funny' in the sense that the actors involve act as caricatures of who would be agents - although John C. Reilly's character is a bit like his character from Step Brothers. Even down to "are you going to be my friend?" to Tim Lippe (Ed Helms).
It's somewhat sad that Anne Heche as Joan wasn't in more comedies (although she was in a few after this) and was mostly a secondary actor in ensembles.
The highlight was Isaiah Whitlock Jr as Ronald, who likes The Wire; which Whitlock was on. The interesting thing about this movie is it's not really a comedy as it is a drama about a character learning about the wider world outside of his hometown.
Cinematography wise is a bit like other low/mid budget comedies from around the same time period - very much shot similarly to Adam McKay's comedies than anything else. I did like how the scenes were shot at the party Tim goes to where he does drugs.
Cedar Rapids is an okay movie with a scarier movie poster.
John C. Reilly is hysterical in Cedar Rapids.
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2 hours ago, twiztor said:
Picking up a crumb from last month's thread:
Who was the first heel you rooted for, and what age group were you?
Personally, and i just referenced this the other day, when Hogan and Savage feuded leading into Mania 5, i sided with Savage. I would have been 6-7. I think that speaks more to my absolute adoration of Savage moreso than my taste in characters, but it's easily the first instance of me going "against the narrative". I loved the Ultimate Warrior and the Legion of Doom and was back to cheering Hogan against the evil traitor Sgt. Slaughter a couple years later. I also always liked the Repo Man and the Mountie for some reason, likely the comedy. But other than those isolated incidents, i was fully aboard the babyface train until the nWo came about and rocked my world.
Jimmy Snuka when I was 8, pretty much every kid around my age was also cheering for him over Bob Backlund. About a year later Don Muraco was the first heel I cheered for that did all the heel bs to piss off the fans and he was great at it!
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20 hours ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:
If you look at the Hot 100, Oasis is almost a nonentity. Wonderwall hit No. 8 and that's their only entry in the hot 100. It's endured and is popular along with others like "Champagne Supernova" and stuff.
I want to clarify, if this were my pick, they'd absolutely go in. They rule. The brothers are great rock stars. I love shit talkers and they're experts. Singing along to their songs with a group of people is a great experiment. I'm wearing an Oasis shirt as I type this.
A reminder the record companies back then released very limited physical copies of singles for rock bands, compared to other genres like Pop, Rap, R&B and Country. So that #8 for Wonderwall was almost purely based on radio play and Champagne Supernova wasn't even released as a single for sale US, it just got tons of radio play to drive album sales.
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7 minutes ago, RIPPA said:
Random things
- Guy Ritchie will direct Road House 2 (Jake Gyllenhaal is returning.) This is after Doug Liman burnt his bridges with Amazon MGM
- A new Miami Vice movie is in the works to be directed by Joseph Kosinski
- Miles Teller will start in "sports romance drama" set in the Winter Olympics called Winter Games. It will be directed by Paul Downs Colaizzo (Brittany Runs A Marathon)
- A24 Movie Alert! Brad Pitt will start in The Riders which is based on Tim Winton’s 1994 novel of the same name. It will be directed by Edward Berger (Conclave)
Any chance Winter Games is based on the old Commodore 64 game? I mean they're making an OutRun movie why not Epyx Winter Games The Movie. If you want to see a pretty good movie shot at the actual 2018 Winter Games check out Olympic Dreams, it's currently on Kanopy.
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1 hour ago, RIPPA said:
The NFL has fined the Falcons $250K and DC Jeff Ulbrich $100K for "failing to prevent the disclosure of confidential information distributed to the club in advance of the NFL Draft.”
That's way to low of a fine for both.
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4 hours ago, Andrew POE! said:
Movies today....had it ready to go and then just fell asleep.
Mallrats (Peacock, leaving on 4/30) - 2/5 stars
Having seen Clerks years ago, I thoroughly enjoyed that movie and had loved what Kevin Smith as a director did with that movie.
With Mallrats, he tries to do something with a larger budget but it just doesn't work as well. The movie is setup similarly to Fast Times At Ridgemont High but just drags.
None of the characters are even remotely interesting and it's hard to consider either Brodie (Jason Lee) or T.S. (Jeremy London) that likeable or relatable since both characters never achieve a comeuppance, especially T.S. There's a 'pep talk' from Stan Lee to Brodie but it seemed a bit tonally out of place and almost there for convenience rather than an actual character arc.
"Bros will be bros" type of humor seems indicative of the 1990s in general. The running gag with Silent Bob (Kevin Smith) busting through the wall of changing rooms where Gwen (Joey Lauren Adams) is changing becomes a bit old after awhile as is the Magic Eye puzzle with Willam (Ethan Suplee). Some of the aspects are funny but not nearly as humorous as it should be. The comic book references are cute given the characters.
The conclusion of the movie came together way too easily; it's almost as if there were no one telling Kevin Smith 'no' on anything he did or how to write better characters.
Cinematography has a "Made for TV movie" look to it and seems very much like a low budget effort without much in the way of pizzazz or anything interesting. Everything has a drab look to it; I did like the hallway scene with Brodie and Shannon (Bill Affleck) and how that was shot. But beyond that, it was a slog to watch this.
Oh and "snootchie bootchie" is an annoying catchphrase.
The only thing that redeemed it were Claire Forlani, Shannen Doherty, and Joey Lauren Adams being game to participate.
Something Wild (Criterion Channel, leaving on 4/30) - 4.5/5 stars
Something Wild taps into the same seediness as Blue Velvet; it also taps into Godard's Breathless. Two people on the opposite ends of life drawn into a mutual attraction. The difference being between Breathless and Something Wild is we don't see the crime that Lulu (Melanie Griffith) committed at the start of the movie - well, other than Charlie (Jeff Daniels) not paying a restaurant bill.
As the movie progresses during the first hour or so, Lulu nee Audrey has something that Charlie's life lacks: a sense of adventure and spontaneity. Charlie's life at the start of the movie is locked into working on Wall Street and into being a stock broker with an impending divorce. We as an audience never see his children directly in other than pictures of them shown. The only 'wild' aspect to his life is his ability to lie and his inability to pay restaurant bills.
Lulu at the start of the movie is as much of a mystery to the audience as she is to Charlie. Like Isabella Rosselini's character in Blue Velvet, Lulu draws Charlie into S&M sexual passion between the two. She has Charlie meet her mother and claiming they are married; Audrey's mother figure out that it isn't the case but doesn't tell her.
Audrey and Charlie go to Audrey's high school reunion and there's something real and palpable about Audrey doing this and continuing the lie with Charlie playing along. For a lot of people after high school, they still didn't have it together. Audrey demonstrates this regret while Charlie regrets being divorced and seeing this as a new opportunity. The two meet Ray (Ray Liotta) at the reunion and the movie takes a drastic turn.
Tone wise, the journey of self-discovery for Charlie and Audrey shifts into a noir-like chase as Charlie tracks after Audrey and Ray. It somewhat reminded me of the later Under The Silver Lake as Andrew Garfield's character has a sense of paranoia as he is tracking after something related to a girl's disappearance. Here, Charlie changes out of his suit and tie and wears clothes he bought at a convenience store.
Charlie and Audrey get away and leave Ray behind in a restaurant. Ray tracks down to Charlie's house and Charlie kills Ray. The movie ends as it started back in New York City and back with Charlie leaving a restaurant.
For me, I liked what Jonathan Demme did with Something Wild. The movie is a love story but it's also a journey of discovery and a noir movie. Although the tone aspects weren't quite congruent, the movie is shot extremely well and I loved how Demme used locations in the movie. I loved one shot as Jeff Daniels staggers back to a convertible at the high school reunion with the banner torn down on the side leaving "Revisited" up.
Something Wild is Something Else as a movie.
Act of Valor (Max, leaving on 4/30) - 2/5 stars
Surprisingly has better characters than Ray Mendoza's other movie Warfare. No, the acting isn't going to be that good or that memorable. Yes, it's a very jingoistic piece of American chest thumping about the US military - it is rather propagandist at times. Yes, the antagonists are tropes of Muslim and other ethnic cultures and the movie completely ignores their culture while Americans are nameless, faceless men that wear gear and shoot guns. But this isn't a movie made by John Ford but it has a similar spirit to his war movies.
What was depicted may not have any basis in reality and if it were to happen, it would have happened already.
Still, I liked the relationship between Rorke James Engel (Rorke Denver) and Dave Nolan (Dave Hansen). Their line readings were a bit flat but their relationship is surprisingly not a toxic masculine relationship between two men. The characterization of Rorke's character being a lover of art and poetry is a bit refreshing and somewhat shows that all not military characters mindlessly engage in service without a degree of reflection.
The conversation between Christo (Alex Veadov) and the member of the US military went from friendly to aggressive in no time flat though.
The highlight for the movie is the cinematography. The camera being used Canon EOS 5D Mark II gave tremendous shots and there were quite a few I liked - the wide angle shot of US and Mexican forces meeting up, the overhead shots during the rescue towards the start of the movie, and some of the shots in the Mexican town were great too.
Act of Valor isn't a good movie acting wise, but is okay cinematography wise.
I re-watched Mallrats on Easter since it was the only non-religious Easter time movie I could think of. It had been ages since I saw it and there was still a lot of scenes that had me laughing pretty hard. Overall it's not a good movie and you could sense Smith was in over his head dealing with a big studio who wanted an Animal House for the 90's. The cinematography didn't feel "Made for TV movie" for me, totally looked like mall lighting.
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18 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:
World Class (4/27/1985): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLBYehHvBLw
One Man Gang insists that we should call Gary Hart slick before he squashes the masked Mr. Ebony. Sunshine holds a press conference from a local city council dais to introduce The Great Kabuki to help her and Hercules against the heels. Hercules Hernandez battles Gino Hernandez! World Class is going to Israel in August. Gino with an epic 10+ second long sell of an atomic drop. "He calls himself the happy halfbreed from Highland Park (pause) handsome too". The babyface tandem of Hercules and Kabuki. What a team. The Midnight Express in action against Adias and Casey. The leapfrog sunset flip from Adias looked neat. Bronko's counting method is always something. MX wins after Cornette breaks up the dreaded sleephold. "Last night Kevin Von Erich tried to take my eye out" (girls start cheering loudly). That's a gnarly cut on Chris Adams. Hey Cornette managed to actually get into a segment with the Von Erichs as the main event turns from Chris Adams vs Kerry to Dennis Condrey vs Kerry. Three consecutive Kerry dropkicks is neat. Somebody's winning a car at the Texas Stadium show (which i'm pretty sure gets smashed by the One Man Gang's chain). Kerry wins with a backslide, then Chris and Gino run out to attack Kevin and Kerry. Superb track suit on Gino.
Sunshine bringing in heel mercenary types like Hercules & Kabuki, to take on dastardly heels like Gino & Adams was a great angle that I'm surprised wasn't copied more.
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5 hours ago, Ace said:
Bad Company, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, OutKast, Soundgarden, and the White Stripes have been elected to the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. Salt-N-Pepa and Warren Zevon will be given the Musical Influence award.
Zevon & Salt-N-Pepa should have gone into the regular HOF over Bad Company & Chubby Checker. Also, is it just American snobbery that's keeping Oasis out? I would put them at the same level of Soundgarden and slightly a head of White Stripes.
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27 minutes ago, RIPPA said:
Hollywood isn't wasting any time anymore in regards to video game adaptations
Sydney Sweeney will star in a film adaptation of Split/Fiction which literally came out 6 weeks ago
It was also just announced that she's going to be in Michael Bay's OutRun, yes they're making a movie based on the 1980's arcade driving game that was nowhere near as fun and Pole Position.
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A reminder that the Steelers are hosting the draft next year, have a bunch of extra picks, and it’s deeper crop of QB’s.
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Opps, wrong thread.
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22 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:
Good point about the precedent. It's not really stubbornness from that point of view, it's more like promoter control as the issue. All the same I wonder how long Graham was still around because they make it seem like once he lost the belt he just quit and turned hermit in the Arizona desert. He could have stayed on top feuding with Backlund for a good long while and they could have continued to make that beaucoup money he drew.
Graham dropped the belt in February 1978 and still worked a normal schedule in the WWWF with return matches with Backlund until December, during that time he also worked as a special attraction in Atlanta, Tampa and Toronto, just like he did as champ. In 1979 & 1980 he worked a lighter schedule in places like Japan, Memphis, Houston, & Amarillo, he pretty much takes 1981 off and starts back up in 1982 with Japan tours then the return to the WWF in August. The whole "he totally disappeared" take isn't that true.
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There's now a lot of talk that the Stillers will take Milroe from Bama, but it's the Pittsburgh Steelers 75% chance they take the best DT available.
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40 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
I wasn't aware that MobLand was only five episodes long until they replayed the recent Brosnan interview on Colbert last night. Fourth episode was good as the rest, and I look forward to the last one next week (I'm trying not to check if it's already on Paramount). It's nice having a series that doesn't go ten+ freakin' episodes to get its point across.
Sorry to be that guy, there's 10 episodes.
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1 hour ago, Dolfan in NYC said:
It's gonna be hilarious to watch Pittsburgh trade way the fuck up to 2 or 3 when they can clearly get Sanders at 21.
I doubt the Steelers move up that high, but if they do its for either Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter. If they do move up it'll be a few spots for the Bama QB or Jaxson. My biggest nightmare as a Steeler fan besides signing Rodgers, is waiting until next year to draft a QB and that QB being Drew Allar from Penn State.
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The WWF did have defacto titles with being "King" and the Million Dollar Belt, even those changes were rare. Race to Haku was due to Harley's injury but they had a match for the crown at the 89 Royal Rumble, then the switches to Duggan and Savage were treated pretty much the same as a title change. The Millon Dollar Belt was a little different, Jake stole it, then lost it via countout to DiBiase since it wasn't an official title, Virgil gets a brief run with it then drops it back to DiBiase.
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15 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:
*whispers* I didn't think Silverchair or Bush were really all that bad, I just wanted to mention them and couldn't think of a Creed and Coldplay comparison
Let's not forget the whole "electronica" thing that was just the Prodigy and... nobody else?
Oh and I just remembered Garbage! And the Cranberries! And the Cardigans! And Aqua! And Alanis Morrisette! And the whole of Lilith Fair! At least you can say that women finally got their fair shake in the '90s.
Electronica wise there was also The Chemical Brothers, Daft Punk, Moby, Air, and Fatboy Slim! All of them are still on my gym playlist.
I saw The Cranberries in concert multiple times and Garbage once, some of the best live shows I've seen.
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14 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:
As soon as I heard two seconds of that song (on the video at that, ON MTV) I thought "who would listen to this shit".
That was the '90s for me. The labels were so desperately scrambling after grunge went under, especially -- ska, rockabilly, swing music, pop punk, before they hit gold with the boy and girl bands and bling-rap. They threw every chunk of shit at the wall to see if it stuck. You had bands like Spin Doctors! Everybody now remembers Creed and Coldplay; we had our versions in Silverchair and Bush. What about LIVE. How fucking weird of a band that somehow got pushed to the moon. I mean, if you are a kid who immediately went to Priest and Sabbath (even though my first record was Ace of Base -- talk about '90s!), how disappointed ARE you?
Bush! I totally forgot about them until I saw a billboard for their May 1st show at a casino near Battle Creek, Michigan.
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14 minutes ago, J.H. said:
So I rewatched Wyatt Earp last night with my buddy Ramsey. Now I quite enjoy the movie quite a bit, it's just Tombstone has such great performances that it overshadows Kevin Costner trying to bring back the American Western again
Ramsey was less forgiving. "Jesus Christ! That Star Trek episode where Kirk, McCoy, Spock and Scotty had to fight the Earps was better interpretation of the OK Corral than this!"
Mind you, Ramsey defends Star Trek V vehemently so I don't know if I take his side here.
James
I haven't seen Wyatt Earp since I fell asleep in the theater watching it back in 1994, it was legit the only time I remember falling asleep in a movie theater.
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45 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
it is kinda interesting how WCW, which did more outdoors shows than any major promotion in the 90s, didn't do at least one of their Vegas Havoc's outdoors like WM9
Vegas' average temperature in October isn't as awful as mid-summer.. but WCW was outdoors at BATB 95, Hog/Road Wild, Spring Break Nitros, the Disney/MGM Nitros in 96, and so on..
I guess it's not Halloween enough to run a Halloween Havoc where the sun will be out for a portion of the show. WCW in 97 would have at least been big enough to go outside of an arena in LV
WCW was tied in with MGM Grand for Halloween Havoc, not only did they have an arena, there really wasn't a spot on those grounds for an outdoor venue. I just looked up when Caesars stopped having boxing outside and it looks like Holyfield vs. Moorer in 1994 was the end and The Mirage next door had their last outdoor boxing match in 1996, all the big fights were moving to the MGM Grand Arena or the Thomas & Mack Center. I think Caesars just sponsored fights at the Thomas & Mack Center after 1994 and built a new hotel tower & pool complex where the fights used to be.
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50 minutes ago, Mister TV said:
I kind of wonder if WMIX got Caesars to realize the family friendly thing wasn't going to be a money maker for them, they never really leaned hard into it circa 1994 to 1998 like MGM Grand, Treasure Island, Excalibur and Luxor, sure they had the Forum Shops but it always felt kind of separate from the casino outside the theme. I turned 21 in 1995 during the height of family friendly Vegas and Caesars totally felt like a place for adults, while MGM and even the Mirage had people wandering around pushing strollers.
In the clips from Vince in PJ's Prime Time Wrestling, you can totally tell the audience is Titan Tower office workers who don't want to be there.
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5 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
I think the banner they used for WrestleMania V was just the banner from WrestleMania IV but with the "I" removed. I think you can still somewhat see the outline. Also, according to Prichard, I believe they installed some lighting and just kept it there for the next year too. So they believed in minimum effort.
As for Las Vegas, I believe they were trying to make Las Vegas seem more majestic and family friendly at the time. Hence, it being randomly in Vegas that year when they could have went anywhere even if the business was struggling. I also think that a bunch of the notable hotels in Vegas from the heyday started going out of business as time went on. Moreover, a year and half after WM IX, they opened up the MGM Grand (w/ the first actual non makeshift indoor arena on the strip and a gamechanger since the T&M Center was off the strip) and a bunch of brand new hotels far over the next few years.
Now that said, they (WWF) probably did 1/10th the business Bowe/Holyfield II (aka the Fan Man incident) did in that same venue seven months later and also 1/10th the financial impact on the city of Las Vegas.
I kind of wonder if WMIX got Caesars to realize the family friendly thing wasn't going to be a money maker for them, they never really leaned hard into it circa 1994 to 1998 like MGM Grand, Treasure Island, Excalibur and Luxor, sure they had the Forum Shops but it always felt kind of separate from the casino outside the theme. I turned 21 in 1995 during the height of family friendly Vegas and Caesars totally felt like a place for adults, while MGM and even the Mirage had people wandering around pushing strollers.
In the he clips from Vince in PJ's Prime Time Wrestling, you can totally tell the audience is Titan Tower office workers who don't want to be there.
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18 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:
I'm watching the new WrestleMania IX documentary on Peacock and while there's some cool footage so far in typical WWE fashion they just have to go overboard talking like Las Vegas was this struggling little town and they saved it with their big event Lol
Yeah that was pretty eye rolling, the way the talked about the “setting” of the venue was silly, they made it out like it was this amazing task, when almost all of it was outdoor banners you can get printed at FastSigns.
The old WWE execs seemed like total shitbags.
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15 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
I think some of the unstated reason for Vince wanting to change up the name is the whole trademark issue involving the Vader name
Although I guess the WWE had less trademark problems with Vader than WCW had
I think the lawsuit was already settled at that point, he couldn't use Big Van Vader but could use Vader since it was Dutch for father and couldn't be trademarked.
AEW - MAY 2025
in ALL ELITE WRESTLING
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AEW this week will be at the Masonic Temple in Detroit, it's a really cool unique building and I'm interested if they'll incorporate it at all. There's a bunch of weird rooms where the Freemason's do whatever they do and there's things like a pool on maybe the 7th floor that never got finished because someone realized when it was filled with water it'd crash through celling below. I coach roller derby and we practice/play at the Masonic, we have practice Thursday night right above the theater AEW will be using.