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On 8/2/2023 at 9:56 AM, Dolphman 3000 said:
Kind of surprised they didn't bring up WWE having right-of-first-refusal to buy WCW that resulted from WWE suing WCW for copyright infringement in 1996
The episode made it seem like WCW willingly pissed away 50 million so they wouldn't have to sell to Eric
Don't think you understand how this works. WWE don't get to say nah you can't sell for $60 million because we want it for $2.5 million (which is how your statement comes off). Right of first refusal is Fusent Media saying we are going to purchase WCW for $60 million. Then AOL Time Warner had to go okay hold on a second we can't accept that until we ask WWE. Hey WWE do you want to buy WCW for $60 million? WWE say fuck no. WCW goes okay Fusent they refused the purchase price, we are good to go.
WCW willingly pissed away $50+ million because Jamie Kellner thought wrestling was stupid and didn't want it on his networks. The price was $60 with the Thunder & Nitro time slots locked in for (I believe) 5 years. Once Keller was like nah dawg we don't want rasslin on this here fine station, no TV time inclused anymore. Then Fusent Media pulled out. WCW as a company with no TV distribution was not worth $60 million.
Then WWE were like oh you don't have a buyer anymore, want these spare peanuts for your rings, trademarks, tape library, & Lance Storm? Sold!-
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I don't really believe what was reported is actuate then. At least in regards to buckle bombs and blind into the corner things. Sending someone into the buckle is banned now? Highly doubt it. That is "blind and backwards into the buckle". Blows to the back of the head are banned? Even safely worked ones? I just don't buy it. The rest of what's on that list makes sense to me. Unprotected chair shots to the head, seizure sells and fencing response. Blood & weapons in the crowd. That all makes sense. But there's no way in hell anyone is going to get me to believe sending your opponent in for a hard buckle is banned now.
I don't work there. I've never been backstage there. I don't have any first hand knowledge. I'm just saying I don't buy the accuracy of the reporting.-
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I do generally agree with the majority of what you wrote and only have a few small things to add. Aftercare isn't a thing in wrestling lol. If you're working some green kid that won't blade himself and you have to do it for him (as is one scenario put forth for all this), no matter who you are old ass Abby grabbing a paycheck or sweet kind Mick Foley who really does care about helping new guys he's never met... you don't go make sure someone knows how to disinfect a cut. That's a weird thing to expect one adult to check in on another adult for. Now if something goes wrong and someone gets hurt you absolutely check in on them. But putting blame on a man in his 60s for not checking if a man in his 30s knows how to wash out a cut is a weird thought to me.
Again I agree with almost all of your thoughts. But I disagree Abby has no defense. The burden of proof is on the plaintiff. He has to prove that more likely than not he got it from Abby in a civil case. Now it's possible he got it from Abby. And probably even is likely after seeing that blade reuse. But he has to PROVE that to a jury. Without a recent blood test right before that and a test right after it there isn't really proof.
A good defense attorney could have pulled footage of all the other hardcore shit Hannibal was doing. Because he wasn't just juicing with Abby. A jury still may have found it more likely than not and awarded him a win. But I would think there's plenty of lawyers who would take that case and try to cast doubt on how exactly he contracted it. Subpoenaed those blood results that confirmed the hep c and checked for any other possible explanations. Were there any needle based drugs that were in his system, legal or otherwise. Asked for blood tests of all the other wrestlers Hannibal had been known to juice with. Etc.
I'm not defending Abby. He's pretty clearly a carny and a shitty person. It's also very likely he did give him hep c. I'm just saying had he chose to go to court I think a good defense attorney could have made a coherent case that could have got him out of all this. -
On 7/20/2023 at 3:01 AM, Go2Sleep said:
I'm beginning to wonder if that "banned moves" thing from last week was total BS. Kota did a buckle bomb in the B&G match. While one could understand why he may not be up to speed on such things, it wouldn't explain the Bucks going along with it since they did a double eznuigiri as part of the spot. Also there was a suplex into the buckles during the 2/3 falls match last Saturday.
It's not a banned moves list tho. It's a list of moves / spots that need to be approved. You can use a buckle bomb, just have to get it approved by your agent. You can use an apron spot. Just have to get it approved by an agent. Seizure selling is probably something you can ask for approval for, but will never get. I think it's less about limiting these "dangerous" moves (seriously I've taken over 100 buckle bombs there's nothing dangerous about it except Sting getting hurt & being unaware he had stenosis before taking it), I think it's more about differentiating the matches. You don't want two matches back to back that hinge their cutoff around a reverse rana to floor for instance.
I think AEW is self aware enough that they know their bread and butter audience are the ones who don't enjoy WWE's ultra PG presentation. So doing a full on banned moves list with silly things that aren't even dangerous would probably get them a bit of negativity. -
On 7/21/2023 at 4:57 PM, Elsalvajeloco said:
If random people know Devon Nicolson had a career outside of wrestling Abdullah the Butcher, you don't think the people repping Abby had that same information? You think they went, "well shit...he may be right so we're SOL."
I actually don't disagree with you at all on your point but I do want to point out a distinction here that is important. Abby had no representation. He didn't show up. It was a default judgement. That's how Abby described it in the episode. I couldn't find anything that disputed it with a Google search. He was playing the unable to read angle and said he didn't show up because he didn't know how to read mail. Which sounds carny. If the not being able to read thing is a work, he probably knew he was screwed and consciously made the choice to not show up. Who knows where the truth lies.
Maybe if he had gone and had proper council they could have argued that idea successfully. I find it to be highly likely Abby did give it to him. But without crystal clear evidence (like dated blood tests before Abby that proved he didn't have it before 2007), a good lawyer may have been able to spread some doubt on it.-
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Some things I just don't get the thought process on here. In the AKI games we have very simple but effective wrestler edit for the regular roster. You could swap in any existing outfit and do color swaps on them / hair swaps etc. Every character had 4 outfit slots. That was such a simple and sweet system. You could have Crow Sting, Wolfpac Sting, Neon Surfer Sting, & Red White & Blue GAB Sting. Later on No Mercy let you swap in anyone's theme or video for each existing guy's slots too. You could even name change slot as some of the women were overlap ones. Like Linda / a Ho / two other women were all one slot. I'm just curious in a game that is such an homage to those games, why did they decide against it?
On here the presets don't save correctly. I have added new ones and they're gone next time I boot up. I have deleted some of the dumb gold outfits. They are back next time I boot up. I unlocked the Young Bucks epic outfits. Only Matt saves as a preset, but Nick will reset every time and not be there. You can't edit to make different versions of the character. Like they puit the Lionheart Jericho tron in there, but we can't even edit that into a preset for Jericho. Why did they make it so janky & complicated?-
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13 hours ago, Technico Support said:
I don't know about all that. AEW proper builds programs long term. Their last PPV headlined with MJF vs the other pillars and BCC vs Elite, and both of those were built for more than two weeks (I admit MJF/Pillars was a garbled mess but the four were at least in the mix together with each other for a good while). Now if you're just talking about ROH, I absolutely agree.
The top two matches had been built up to for the last AEW PPV, I will concede on those two. Although neither was officially "booked" or announced until two weeks out. The rest of the card was announced the week of the last PPV. So maybe I should have clarified better what I had meant about the long term build / promotion.
If your PPV cycle is 3 months between events (roughly) it is unacceptable (to me at least anyway) to announce 80% of your card within the week of the event. I had assumed and hoped that having 3 months would allow them to announce things a month out. Or even two months out. Not for everything but a decent portion of them. Then you get two months of them doing angles based around the matches already booked. Two months of the match getting a hard sell on TV. Two months of UFC style quick cut video packages. So when I said promoted and built to, that's what I meant. You get enough time to build anticipation and make the matches feel bigger than any match you announce the week of that way.
Otherwise I definitely don't understand the quarterly PPV concept. If you're not going to use that extra time to your advantage, why do you even have it? And that may be moot if the rumor of a monthly PPV cycle being pushed n them by WBD is true.-
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Yikes with Briscoe out wonder who gets the title match. Maybe they shoot an angle in the cage and Ibushi gets it? I have literal zero idea here.
Gonna sound a little old man yelling at clouds here, but one of the things I was hopeful for in AEW as an alternative was a company that wouldn't be sloppily throwing together PPVs a week or two beforehand like WWE had gotten used to doing in the 2010s. But that's all AEW does anymore. AEW PPVs. ROH PPVs. Doesn't matter how much time they have, they just don't believe in building to and promoting long term stories. It's a bummer. This PPV is one of the most thrown together ones yet. The original world title match announced two weeks out. No other matches set and promoted.
It's like the structure of things is built on the fact that they just assume everyone will get every PPV. So why announce and promote and build things up.-
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On 7/12/2023 at 2:11 PM, Sparkleface said:
...anywhere between a third to two-thirds of people do watch the ads in a show on DVR because they don't bother fast-forwarding...
Wow. Literal monsters. Anyone who doesn't fast forward through commercials on DVR is an idiot and a savage.
/Dennis Reynolds
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16 hours ago, Boydy said:
Hold on was that not Rocky Johnson then?
It looked exactly like him.
Brothers tend to look alike. Did you miss the part where he introduced himself and why he calls himself Soulman now in tribute to his brother? lol
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On 7/7/2023 at 8:12 AM, hammerva said:
The major problem I have with Mark Briscoe vs Claudio is that I am not overly confident that he will win the title.
A good note to point out here is Blood & Guts is two days before the PPV. I think it's very likely they give Claudio an out being all beat up and bloodied. I would say there's at least a 75% chance Mark wins here. You can't keep people paying for the PPVs if you do non-stop uncomfortable losses for people's favorites. Eddie & Mark both lost last show and really deflated things. I would think that was done in service to giving Mark the ultimate big one here, while still protecting Claudio.
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3 hours ago, AxB said:
Run through RTE a couple of times with a Create a Wrestler, and you'll have a guy with EVERY skill.
About that. I started one up as a second run through with my CAW. All of his skills and buffs had been reset to zero. I still had all the buffs and finishers equipped in matches. I was doing the lose a bunch to get Big Show block thing and started to get worried I wasn't going to get anything new so I looked it up. successive play through with the same CAW wipes the previous buffs once you complete RTE. So you can't do multiple runs o get everything. You can only keep one play through's worth of upgrades.
So if you don't like what you have, or say would rather have more buffs than 5 finisher slots... you can change everything. But you can't add to the existing ones. Sucks, but makes sense. CAW are already super OP in online matches.
Since I haven't posted my thoughts on the game, I love the game play so much. CAW design tools a seriously lacking. The moves portion is fucking perfect tho. Th online is pretty unstable if you're doing ranked tag matches with a friend. But even with the negatives this game is really fucking fun. They nailed the game play. Really hits just right for me. Wish there were more modes and better character select layout. But this shit is so fun. Def worth the money for me.-
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While I think they would have had a fun match, with Cole out I get not replacing him. 14 matches is a lot. The main reason for the match (Cole) isn't cleared, we kinda don't need a match from a NJPW Strong wrestler who has had 2 minutes total of TV time on AEW's C show. Filthy Tom vs Roderick Strong would be DOPE. But not when you have 13 more matches and there isn't really a need for this match (and in honesty addition by subtraction means a whole lot more than stuffing Roddy on would), then yeah I think this is the right move.
Most looking forward to the two main events, El Phantasmo vs Stu, & seeing if MJF can carry Tanahashi to something fun. Listen Tanahashi is a legend and deserves his flowers. But he's basically Wrestlemania 17 Iron Sheik immobile out there and it makes me sad. That's not how he deserves to be remembered. He should be limited to a Sting role whee he's in tags and doesnt have to sprint or work main event style alone for 20+ minutes anymore.-
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Yeah I kind of thought this year's obvious winner is Logan Paul and I had assumed he would announce his cash in ahead of time for Summer Slam. I haven't watched any of the weekly TV since Mania so I may be way off the mark. But I figured it was just killing two birds with one stone. They don't have anyone they want being successful with the cash in, also you get a ready made reason why Logan Paul can get a title match on a big show again.
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I'm a fan of Punk. And I'm going to watch regardless. But I just don't think Punk & the misfit toys is enough to support a whole pseudo second brand. I certainly could be wrong (and really hope I am, I'd love for this show to blow up). I just think the timing of this being a week before Forbidden Door is what held them back from shooting a real angle. And that's fine. But they are going to need more than Hi I'm Johnny Knoxville (CM Punk) And Welcome To Jackass (Collision) as their calling card to get all of the fans that watch Dynamite to watch it vs getting Rampage numbers.
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I enjoyed the majority of this show. The energy was boosted by a hot Chicago crowd and a bunch of shot in the arm returns.
Punk promo had good energy. Not a lot of ground breaking content. But he got to set the stage for being a tweener. Hoping him carrying around the belt in the bag isn't leading to split championships. More likely a match where Punk works MJF and puts him over without a loss? Ladder Match?
Luchasaurus & Wardlow is not the match I would have started off with. At different points the crowd was into it. I loved Christian's stooging. Think this is an obvious transition for Jungle Man to take the title off Luchasaurus.
Buddy & Andrade was some real good shit. Loved it. Also thought it was a good touch them both pulling out their significant other's submission finishers near the end stretch.
Miro match was fine and the crowd was happy to see him.
Seeing Schiavone in the scissors spot made that whole segment worth it lol.
Women's tag was very good and nice moment for Skye Blue finally getting a big win.
Main was excellent. Punk looked rusty / hurt at certain points but that is to be expected. He'll get back in that groove soon enough. His interactions with Joe were great. All the chaos happening around him was great. FTR & BC Gold put their god damn working boots on.
Loved the stage they used. Not as big a fan of the announcers at ringside. BUT if you're trying to differentiate the shows that is a clear visual cue that they are different. All red ropes didn't bother me or distract me. Thought they fit the show and the look just like they do on ROH. Kevin Kelly was not on his game tonight. Lots of flubs and confusion. I generally like him okay in New Japan commentary. Maybe he's just working out some kinks here? Nigel sounded good. Putting JR out there was a waste but again probably a concession for Punk and FTR. He was inoffensive in his few sound bytes.
I'd say an overall win for the night. But like Matt D said not shooting a big angle is kind of a head scratcher. Yes there is a PPV next week and a lot of TVs next week. But this needed something as a hook. Something to give Collision a stamp of must see. There was a lot of very good wrestling. But I don't think anything was really must see drive the viewers to this super important show in any way.-
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1 hour ago, Goitre said:
Wanna explain that one to me, champ?
You insinuated I said Elton John was chosen TO BE cutting edge. As in they thought picking Elton John WAS being cutting edge. I did not. I said you should strive to be cutting edge, and Elton John isn't it. I can't be anymore clear than that. If you still don't get it that's a you problem not a me problem.
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John made a lot of valid points. But for instance yes, Top Gun was a big deal. Was it shot with the same cameras from 1986 tho? Or is it just using nostalgia on a new project that was made for the current times? I'm mostly making assumption on this since I didn't catch either one haha. Sweet Caroline is a song that gets played every single night of the week at every karaoke bar. Which makes it relevant and generational. I've literally never heard this Elton John song at a bar or sporting event. I see the point you're making, but I don't think it's a fair comparison. Would you consider this song to have the same pop culture impact as Sweet Caroline? I will concede maybe it has that same consistent and memorable rotation at places I don't go?
I mean I don't frequent karaoke bars either unless forced to, so I digress.16 minutes ago, Sparkleface said:That said, I do think it's disingenuous to act like this is just some random 50 year old song picked because the name had "Saturday" in it. It's an Elton John song, which is notoriously expensive to license, so that's a status symbol. It's also Elton freaking John, who put something like 150,000 people over three days in Dodger Stadium last year. It's like saying "no thanks, I don't want to have a literal living legend involved in my production, get me a Soundcloud rapper".
It's not just some random 50 year old song picked because of Saturday being in the name? News to me. Yes I know Elton John is a mega star and cultural icon. But I personally couldn't name any of his songs. So maybe this is a blind spot for me. I mean the rapper I listed has 36 million streams a month on Spotify. Hardly a Soundcloud rapper lol. That's not even my genre or anyone I listen to. Elton John pulls about 56 million streams a month. I don't think the disparity is as big as you think it is and the numbers seem to back that up.
I will tap out on this debate and just accept that my preferred outlook on this one isn't the majority opinion. I really don't want a whole Pitbull trend to ignite here lol. Regardless of my feelings on the choice (from a business perspective) I still think it's an awful choice based on the actual tempo and content of the song too. But that's my last parting shot about it lol. -
12 hours ago, John from Cincinnati said:
Is the goal “cutting edge?” We hang onto a lot of fifty year old stuff as a culture that we have fondness for, songs included. Use it in marketing and content all the time. Wouldn’t be shocked if King Marty puts Gimme Shelter in Killers of the Flower Moon.
If you're trying to make money (the purpose of running a professional wrestling company), then yeah you should be trying to be cutting edge at all times. I know people like what they like and I generally get slapped down when I try to talk about the business part of the wrestling business. But the 50+ demo is worth about zero dollars. Old dudes getting a kick out of a song from their youth doesn't bring in ad dollars. 18-34 bring in the ad dollars. So if you use a lame song that's gonna turn off that group right out of the gate what are we even doing here? I'm 38. I'm not even in the target demo and I find it lame. I immediately rolled my eyes and cared less about the show because it gave off a lame vibe to me.
Not saying it's going to stop me from watching. But it did affect how I view the show's presentation and vibe.10 hours ago, Goitre said:Do you honestly think they're using that song in an attempt to be "cutting edge"? If so, you're fucking weird, man.
Seems like they've taken a catchy, relevant song with built-in goodwill and feelgood-factor.
Trying to be cutting edge with Elton John. Fuck me dead. What a theory.
Condescending much? Fuck what a shitty post. In no way did I say they picked Elton John trying to be cutting edge. What I said was the song is an awful choice and using it is a big miss when you're trying to be cutting edge. What is relevant about a 50 year old song? Just the word Saturday being there? There's at least 10,000 songs with the word Saturday in it. That song has more relevance to The Great Depression than it does to current day. 1939 was only 34 years away from 1973 versus 2023 being 50 years away from 1973.
Also this is professional wrestling. Weird slow bebop disco rock is not the fit. You need aggression to set the mood. I'm not even asking for screamo rock or nu metal. You can go with any genre if it sets the vibe right. They should be trying to get Lil Uzi Vert songs or some shit not Elton John. Something that's gonna catch the attention of younger people and maybe hook in new fans to grow the audience.
A whole lot of knee-jerk reactions to a logical argument here. Don't let your own personal connections to the song cloud your objectivity to see it in someone else's perspective
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That is fucking AWFUL lol. Nothing says cuttig edge like using a song that's a literal FIFTY YEARS OLD.
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I don't think that interview was anything inflammatory. I kind of have Punk's POV on it. Shit happens. It's not that big of a deal. Let's get over it and move on. I get the sense Kenny isn't too bothered by much of this either (since at the time it was reported those two sat down with each other after the incident happened and before anyone left the building that night). To me the sticking point seems to be Hangman offended Punk. Punk now will not let go of that. And because of it, The Bucks won't let go of anything. It's a big old everyone is an asshole situation.
Punk shrugging it all off and saying let's all sit down and hash it out is my preferred way to handle it vs the melodramatic I considered quitting the business over this take The Bucks had on All Access. I'm not saying The Buck are wrong to feel some kind of way about it, or are wrong for sticking up for Hangman. I'm just saying crying about it on TV is not a good look when the other party is openly saying hey I want to sit down with them. Idk. No one here is innocent. No one is a victim. They're all wrong in certain aspects. But at least Punk is giving indications of let's grow up and move on.
As to the snark of Punk being off his game wondering if Hangman was shooting... eh I get it. Wrestling is an incredibly mentally taxing thing in the best of times. You have spots to remember. You have to be in the moment with character work and selling and psychology. You have to be listening to your audience and changing on a dime if they aren't with it. You have to be listening to the time cues from the ref and any notes from the agents being passed through the ref. You have to listen for what's being called by the other person. I get being off your game if you're throwing in extra thinking going towards wondering if a dude is sneaking shit it or if it's just legit an oops. Mentally a wrestling match is 100% a fight or flight adrenaline rush mixed with an exhausting constant calculation in your brain of whats next and am I doing this right and did I hear that right. It's not easy to throw in added shit like that. So I empathize with Punk there.
I do find it vindicating that Punk confirmed (as I had speculated a bunch of times in the threads) all the barbs being thrown back & forth by MJF & Eddie Kingston were ran by him ahead of time. People kept pointing to how what they said was so much worse. But they ran it by him. Hangman's line was not okayed ahead of time and that's why it pissed Punk off so much. Not a good look to sneak something into a national TV promo to make your dance partner look shoot bad.-
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Fair point. My counter point would be I actually like reading his non-Bucks & Cole thoughts. And I'm just hoping bringing awareness to it (since there's been a bunch of us who have complained about) might get Drew to dial it back. The other guy was just railing on Natural for no real reason with no real purpose. But I digress. Clearly I'm still the biggest sheep on the farm. Paintedbynumbers would be proud of you.
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1 hour ago, Dolphman 3000 said:
We just had a thread regular register a sockpuppet account to put over what is generally considered a terrible match between Chris Jericho and Keith Lee
Plenty of derangement on both sides of the coin
Both sides of what coin? I'm not taking any sides in anything other than I don't wanna have to read the same tired rant every single week. You seem to have picked a side in some... imaginary battle? Maybe there's some between the lines context going over my head here. But then again you're the king of bad faith posters so I probably shouldn't even have engaged.
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I genuinely think that's a good idea. Don't remove the women from Dynamite & Collision. But that's how you give Rampage an identity. You make it the show where you can watch the women of the roster develop and grow. I can't imagine ratings for that could be any lower than what Rampage gets now... and realistically I think it could pull the numbers up a bit. Plus this solves multiple other problems.
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The Viceland Wrestling Documentaries
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You can lead a gremlin to water but can't get him wet after midnight I guess
The right of first refusal is literally the right to make the first offer. Or in a case like this when another offer was put on the table first, the right to accept those terms or refuse them. WCW entered into a deal with Fusent Media. That was because WWE was given the chance to agree to the $60 million offer on the table or refuse it. They refused it. That's why it was officially announced on TV & in real news publications that Fusent had entered into the deal with AOL Time Warner. WWE decided not to exercise their clause because $60 million was way more than they were willing to pay.
Then when the deal fell apart because the TV was pulled, WWE bought up the scarps.
Thanks for that smug rebuttal, but it made you look even dumber than usual. Awkward.