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  1. 2 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

    Kenny’s reign has been a TV draw for quite a bit now, and really started clicking after the 3-way. Stopping it now would be a mistake.

    We're all just sharing opinions and such. Omega has been great. I love what he's doing. AEW is doing 1.1 million viewers a week. That's great in today's TV landscape.

    Food for thought, Raw was doing 4.5 million last time Punk was an active worker. That's neither an indictment against Omega nor an endorsement for Punk. Just a note to keep things in perspective when considering there is a lot of room to draw beyond 1.1 million if AEW keeps up the momentum.

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  2. 44 minutes ago, John E. Dynamite said:

    Glad to know this is the quality of posting I can expect over the next few months. Are people getting upset at their own fantasy booking?

    You don't need Punk or Danielson challenging for any belts for awhile. They are going to draw just by virtue of being there. They can wait until the first night of honeymoon is over before mixing it up with the title scenes and the long-term storylines around them.

    It's equally possible to do either with Punk. But I'm just saying Punk coming in and winning the title in front of a rabid Chicago audience is a hell of a moment. Imagine what that crowd looks like. Imagine what the pictures and videos look like when people who have stopped watching WWE see that moment on social media and decide to check out AEW. You certainly don't HAVE to do it. But it's a cool as fuck visual and definitely a way they COULD go with it.

    I'm not gonna be upset by either choice. I'm just happy AEW is growing and thriving. I am of the opinion that striking while the iron is hot as fuck is the better move here, instead of waiting for a moment down the line when the shock and heat of the moment has tapered off. And I have no possible explanation for why Hangman's match would get changed for any other reason. But if there is another reason and it's unrelated to Punk there's no anger coming from me.

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  3. All viable ideas. But again I see this as Hogan vs Sting in a lot of ways. Hogan lost the title to Luger 4 months before the Sting match. Didn't hurt that buy rate at all. So Punk vs Darby on Rampage. Punk wins (in some disputed fashion). Punk beats Omega at All Out. Goes back to feuding with Darby. Omega wins rematch down the line due to Darby. Hangman gets to defeat Omega at Revolution. Perfect two year story arch when Hangman beats the guy he needs to beat, two years to the day the story really started. You get the major momentum of Punk being champion / capitalizing off of his popularity. But you still payoff what you've been working for. Win-win-win.

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  4. There's two discussions to be had here.

    1. Pro wrestling isn't just a 9-5 job. It's a career in a strange business built on traditions and respect that not everyone knows the ins and outs of until they join the business. That's not always a good thing. There have been shitty traditions that were perpetuating bad habits that needed to go away. But wrestling is less like an office job and more like a motorcycle gang. I say that because the best explanation I can give to someone on the outside is to liken it to Sons of Anarchy. The way the MC runs on that show definitely isn't a 9-5 or normal. But all the guys in the group understand and operate under those rules. They have traditions and expectations and punishments for not doing things the way they're supposed to be done. You can debate if you like that or don't like it or think that it's right or wrong. But everyone who comes into the business has to learn how to operate within those traditions if they want to be a part of it. Punching above your weight class and talking shit to someone who has 20 years of experience when you have none is a violation of how things operate.

    2. Why did Hunico make a post at all? I tend to agree it's probably insecurity coming from Reginald's entrance getting some love. But why did Reginald feel the need to go onto a Hunico post on his page and make a reply? He specifically went on to Hunico's post, and made a comment to disrespect him. And shit man, yeah it probably was hard as fuck to do the trampoline entrance with a decomposed ACL. So while it's probably insecure of him to post it at all, he has a point. Reginald didn't need to clap back at all. ESPECIALLY since he's on the bottom rung. Again if he felt the need to comment at all it shouldn't have been to disrespect a dude. That doesn't show respect for dudes that came before you. But that's what you get when you put green dudes that haven't learned the business on TV right away.

    I should probably let this be my last post on the subject tho. I don't feel like I'm quite articulating the real premise of my argument properly. But I tried.

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  5. He's publicly clapping back at someone with 20 years of experience in wrestling when he's a rookie. It's disrespectful. It's irrelevant to this discussion if other terrible people that happened to be wrestlers committed murder. There's a hierarchy of respect you're supposed to adhere to and work your way up. It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, speaking out against a 20 year vet when you don't actually know shit yet is disrespectful. You don't have to agree with it, but that's just the way it is. I promise you he has some annoyed enemies in the locker room now.

    The correct approach (if saying anything at all) would be something along the lines of appreciating the dedication of Hunico doing that entrance through injuries and stuff and say he would try his best to do the same. Not a general fuck you I did this for years you aint shit kind of reply.

  6. 5 hours ago, MoeCristyV.1.6 said:

    The same Sin Cara who fucked up every match? And couldn't even get his entrance right most of the time? 

    Actually no this is Hunico (Sin Cara 2) that posted that. He's not the original Sin Cara 1 that botched everything (Mistico). He's the one that mainly teamed with Kalisto in The Lucha Dragons.

    Reginald publicly popping off at the mouth annoys me. I don't care how many nights he performed in the circus. Professional wrestling is a different animal built on respect. You keep your mouth shut and your ears open and put your time in to earn everyone's respect. It's not a birth right to be in the business, it's a privilege you're supposed to earn.

  7. Pleasantly surprise and happy to be wrong here. I underestimated AEW's demand. Doing 50k tickets over two weeks for 4 events in the same market is bonkers. Like that's some peak attitude era demand. Very happy for everyone involved. I think this coupled with the trending up ratings is a perfect storm for them. They are within shouting distance of at least equaling the competition. I'm very much enjoying what AEW is ding, and hopeful WWE will quit dicking around and start putting on better shows to compete.

    As for Hangman not getting the All Out match... it's a disappointment. But AEW has earned enough good will for me to trust them to do the right thing, even if it takes a detour. I mean if we were all analyzing WCW during the nWo like we do now... how many times would we have been pissed at the story twists and turns for Sting? They held that off for so long. They even threw in a Lex Luger title run. But in the long run Sting vs Hogan drew the highest buy rate in company history. I trust AEW to change the story and still make it cohesive. So I will again say I think Punk is Omega's opponent at All Out. And Punk wins. But I still fully expect them to get the belt back to Omega in time to crown Hangman at Revolution. Some nice symmetry to that being him & Kenny vs The Bucks where they started teasing the turn.

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  8. Add me to the pile thinking this could be Jericho winding it down as a full time in ring guy. It feels like he's been taking the steps to be a commentary guy / agent / creative type / executive. I think he's really proud of what AEW has grown into, since he was the only proven big name US guy when they started. And it has his fingerprints all over the creative. WWE will surely induct him into the Hall of Fame 10 years down the line or so, but in the near future he's got a job in AEW as long as he wants it. His mind is worth every penny he asks for. It's not like he's off limits to WWE since he was just on the Austin deal, but I do sense they have no desire to use him as a talent anymore.

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  9. Listen I get what everyone is saying. But you're asking people that have already plopped down like at least $200 for even just the cheap seats (including fees) to dig deep and find another $50-$75 or whatever. On almost no notice. That's asking a lot. Especially for a one hour show. A one hour show that most of you are saying just has a Punk appearance and not even an actual Punk match. In a building 2x bigger than they have ever run. With only 19 days until the event when tickets go on sale. This isn't selling out All Out with two months of on sale. This is a building that holds more than even the NYC show they've sold 18,000 to... in a market they have already stretched thin with the All Out weekend of events. In 19 days. For one hour. Based on nothing advertised.

    I want them to succeed. And I think they get pretty close to a full house. But I do think they'll need to pivot and be more explicit about Punk being there to be able accomplish it.

    Also comparing this to AJ in The Rumble doesn't work. They didn't have like Rollins on TV saying oh man this Rumble is gonna be Phenomenal. The AJ thing was a total surprise without any hints. They also didn't have three more events booked in Orlando in a two week span lol.

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  10. 4 hours ago, Casey said:

    I said this on the AEW subreddit earlier in the week, but if they don't promote the fuck out of Punk's return - and just debut him (or Danielson) as a surprise - they're fucking crazy. That could pop a huge rating, and probably move a lot of tickets if its for, say, that United Center show, or something else like that. I don't mind the surprise debuts, I actually really like them, but these are two massive names, and they need to confirm it ahead of time and promote it, IMO.

    I'm just baffled by what they're doing here. I get booking the biggest arena in Chicago for Punk's debut, that makes sense. But they are really trying to fill that building with a 'wink wink' you know who will probably be here? Especially baffling seeing that they have a Dynamite, Rampage, and All Out back to back to back two weeks later already in Chicago, mostly sold out. Like how much money do people in Chicago have to spend on wrestling lol. They just assume 25,000 people can come up with more disposable income even after potentially buying 3 event tickets already for two weeks later. Without even giving them the specific reason to break the bank. I love AEW but this is a bit of an arrogant approach in my opinion.
     

    4 hours ago, Log said:

    With Punk, it seems like they’re doing everything but flat-out announcing he’ll be there in Chicago. They make the Chicago announcement, and then make a point of showing close shots of fans chanting “CM Punk!”  Then Darby drops the “best in the world” line. It’s possible to promote something and build buzz for it without coming out and saying it.  

    100% agree with you in theory. But again referencing the above, you're asking one city to plop down money for their 4th show in a two week span without telling them why. So in this instance I don't think it's a very smart move. Sure everyone watching AEW or educated on wrestling news knows he's gonna be there. But is that enough to fill 25,000 seats? When they've already sold like 30,000 tickets to the same market for 3 other shows in a two week span? 'Wink wink' alluding to something is a viable method to use, but maybe not the smart method in this specific situation.

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  11. 1 minute ago, Hagan said:

    I wouldn’t be shocked if Darby and Punk wrestle on that Chicqgo Rampage too. TK says it’s not a B show and they have to come out of the gates hot with it. Would Punk just *appearing* sell the United Center out?

    This is where my head is at too. You don't book a 25,000 seat building in Chicago (when you have 3 straight shows booked at the 10,000 seater in Chicago two weeks later) unless Punk is showing up and wrestling. To that end I see Punk vs Darby on Rampage. And also thinking they are shifting the Hangman story to do Punk vs Omega at All Out. Just the feeling I have after everything unfolded. All Out was going to be Hangman's crowning but getting a major star like Punk is switching things up. I also expect Punk to win and defend against Daniel Bryan at Grand Slam in NYC.

    Christian gets a title shot on a Dynamite or Rampage before All Out just to clear that out and say the number one contender (Hangman) can't take the shot because of a stipulation. So we're inserting THIS person. I guess we'll see soon enough.

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  12. 12 hours ago, Peck said:

    I noticed that everyone was wearing masks inside the CWC during this episode. Is that a recent change? I don't remember noticing that during past NXT episodes over the past month or two but I could definitely be wrong.

     

    1 hour ago, Eoae said:

    As far as I can remember, fans have been wearing masks for quite a while now.  Fairly sure it's not a recent change.


    NXT never got rid of the original mask mandate. They tape every week in the same building in... Florida. They quickly realized it would be a major risk to allow one of the biggest anti vax locations to take off the masks and potentially cause an outbreak for the NXT roster. So they have always required masks there since the time they allowed fans back. I don't think they have any plans to drop the masks while still filming at the CWC. And who knows when Full Sail will allow them back.

  13. 4 minutes ago, Eoae said:

    Not quite what I’m referring to:  I’m remembering that a few people signed the rights to their characters (names) over to the company, then discovered the rights to the name didn’t revert back to them when the company cut them and had to go by a different name on the indies.  But…. I can’t think of anyone in that position, so I’m probably either misremembering or it was just a rumor that turned out not to be true.

    I don't remember hearing about this one so my mistake. Can't think of anyone who fits that description. Also it wouldn't stand up in court. Your IP is your IP unless you sell it. Or at least that's how I understand the law to be written. I'm just a simple bird law expert tho... so maybe I'm off the mark.

  14. 16 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said:

    I’m The Tony Khan Rich kid diss is weak.  This is a ‘rich kid’ spending the family money on weekly Wednesday night wrestling parties for all wrestling fans to enjoy.  He’s also saved American wrestling from drowning in shit.  I love benevolent rich kids like this.  

    Who dissed TK? I said growing up in a trailer park is very different than being flown to ECW shows in a private jet. I'm not hating on him at all. I much prefer AEW and what he's doing running it to whatever the fuck it is WWE is doing. I wouldn't call him benevolent tho. He's trying to make money. It's a business. He isn't just picking random twitter followers and flying his roster to their house to party and do private shows. He's a business man trying to profit off of running his business well. Certainly nothing to begrudge him over, but definitely not benevolent lol.

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  15. 7 minutes ago, Eoae said:

    So does Punk still have the rights to his gimmick name?  I vaguely recall Vince convincing a few guys to sign over rights to their gimmick names back in the late 2000’s. 

    I think what you're referencing is that during the duration of your contract you sign over your rights to the character name you own to WWE for the purposes of marketing and merchandise (if they use one you already established). So while Punk owns CM Punk, while he was in WWE he couldn't legally go make deals for the character name CM Punk. He allowed to WWE to control it. That way they don't need approval for every event ad he is listed on and every product he appears on. He 100% owns the character, just while under WWE he signed over control of marketing and merchandising the character name to them. But once his contract ends he gets full ownership back.

    That's how it works with everyone that comes in with a prior use name. Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Hulk Hogan, ect. If you created the name before you were hired by WWE you own it. The only grey area is if the IP was created in another company that WWE now owns. The Dudleys were created by ECW. So while they used that IP before ever even signing with WWE, WWE bought ECW's IP. So they own those characters. But outside of that situation, if you used your name before WWE it's yours.

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  16. 5 hours ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

    I wonder if Vince deep down relates to TK. Both are silver spoon brats, though the difference being that one didn’t grow up in this business, but TK has basically created a “Family Owned Business” out of a wrestling promotion. This isn’t like the Turner Channel owned WCW that was built off the shell of an almost dead Crockett Promotions. AEW is quasi something we haven’t seen work as well as this.

    Uhhh whutt? Vince didn't meet his dad until he was 12 or so. He grew up dirt poor in a trailer park in North Carolina. Definitely not a silver spoon deal. Quite different than growing up so rich his dad would fly him to ECW shows as a kid like TK lol. There are zero similarities. And the premise that AEW is a "family owned business" is faulty. No one from the Kahn family has any input at all. His father gave him a bunch of money and he started his own company with it. That's it.

    I'd actually even venture to say WWE is no longer a family owned business either. Sure Vince's grand dad ran it once upon a time, then his dad, and now him. But it's not the same company. This is a publicly traded corporation now. He took the family business and changed it to a decidedly not family business anymore. There are shareholders and a succession plan that is much different than father passes it on to son like it had been the previous two generations.

    Crockett Promotions was a family owned business until Turner bought them. So it's weird you single them out. In like 1985 Crockett was basically just the southern WWF. Family run, national tv exposure, too big to be considered a territory anymore. Exactly the same. Just no vision for going national with acts that hit right in the big cities vs catering everything to Greensboro.

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  17. Kross just can't catch a break lol. If the story had been planned for him to snap & murder Hardy and get over that he's a psychopath week two, that ain't happening now. Should just scrap it all and pretend it didn't happen. Wait until after Summer Slam and try again with the cool entrance and the hot chick. Will be interesting to see what they do now with that story.

  18. 1 hour ago, punkenhead said:

    Holy Buzz Sawyer! I have been engaging in a "discussion" on Twitter with Austin Aries as regards his feelings about vaccines. This leads me to a couple questions. How many vehemently anti-vax wrestlers are there? Are wrestlers required to submit proof of HIV or Hep C status prior to appearances? 

    Low Ki & Austin Ares have been the only real vocal ones. And former NXT ref Drake too. Sahsa & Nia Jax have liked a lot of anti-vax adjacent posts but there's been no actual proof that they are anti-vaxers. Hopefully that answers your question, because this isn't a good road to go down. The mods do a good job of not letting this place turn into a political powder keg like just about ever other corner of the internet these days.

    As for the HIV & Hep C, in WWE yes. It's part of the medical process of getting signed. Non contract talent (extras / dark match workers) are required to show a negative blood test to get into the database to be used. I would assume AEW has similar protocol but don't know that as fact. Anything else (in the US at least) is the wild wild west. No tests. The workers who do death matches are actually pretty good about self testing to keep each other safe, but it's not mandated or regulated by any promotions outside of the two big dogs.

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  19. 36 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said:

    I'm unaware of any significantly negative locker room rep. I count fifteen people on their roster who've shared a locker room with him though, so I'm sure any concerned parties on the inside will be able to make a fair assessment. 

    I agree with the above and liken it to a Jake Hagar. Whether you see it as a bad PR rep or a bad locker room rep, he wasn't thought of very favorably by the AEW fan base. But he's been solid in AEW. Doesn't ruffle feathers. Actually appears to give a shit. There's a lot of ways to look at it. But maybe Braun shows up in the AEW locker room and his mind is blown at how hard everyone works and how humble they are and gets his "ah-Ha" moment about how WWE isn't the end-all-be-all he once thought.

    Who knows? But it is fun to debate guys having legitimate options again. And while yes he'd be like 3rd, 4th, or 5th most important guy in this year... there's something to be said for momentum. Just a non-stop wave of cool moments and big names showing up and giving AEW the public image of the company where literally anything really can happen. That's a more valuable asset than any single talent they can sign (in my opinion).

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  20. I'm with ya on the reasoning there from their point of view. But WWE won't do no cut clauses. They are rigid as hell on the format of their contracts. They will never give anyone that kind of leverage. They are terrified of an Austin going home situation where they are still on the hook to pay the guy. Never say never, but even still I am confident in saying that will never happen.

    So what incentive would Braun have to sign for less? It's already been reported AEW wants him. I have no earthly idea what money figure they would assign to him. But his social media posts ect all aren't going to preclude AEW from signing him. If they stick with only one certain type of signing they will never grow. You need to cast a wide net to capture all demographics. The circus approach, something for everyone. And I mean come on Jerichos wife stormed the capitol... how are any of Braun's meathead tweets worse than that?

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