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14 minutes ago, Dolphman 3000 said:
Yeah but you have to tell that story and not just Calvinball everything after the fact - the Jay Briscoe Memorial Ladder Match should have had Mark on commentary so he could raise the winner's hands to put a cap on his tag-team career (since reports are that's what he wants to do). Leaving him alone in the ring with the tag belt after losing to Joe was just depressing.
Yeah I agree with you there. The storytelling wasn't there. At the very least if you're dead set on him working Joe as the lead in, have him have both belts with him and leave them set up in the center as he walks out. As a visual tribute to Jay and a passing on of the lineage thing. Anything other than him just leaving with one belt and no real segue into the next segment he's supposed to have a had a large part in creating (story wise).
Ultimately I think the sheer volume of content that he's producing is causing TK to lose the little details that used to be there and make things make a little more sense. Gonna be even worse with another in ring show on the way. For all the great things about AEW / ROH, I am not at all a fan of the WWE-ifying of their identity. Multiple brands. Too many hours of product to follow. Too many titles. Turning into quantity over quality.
I mean hindsight and all, but to me the real emotion fueled way to book Mark was to let him go on the most epic tag title run of all time. He does promo after promo about how he loves his brother and this is the last time they will ever hold tag titles together. How he's not ready to let that part of his life go and how he can't let go of Jay. Not without a fight. Then you send him on the most epic 2 on 1 run of all time. He defends the tag titles alone. Against all of The Briscoe's classic rivals. Have him beat SCU. Have him beat The Bucks. Have him beat The Kingdom. Just let that shit be the thing legends are made of. When the time is right someone eventually beats him. And you have (hopefully) created the hottest star in the company and he is ripe to get a world title run. But that's just where my creative juices go to.-
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I am so bummed about Dante's injury. It was almost as bad as Sid. A very talented young man may have just lost his career and his quality of life going forward. My thoughts go out to him. AEW / ROH need to do something about the chaos of their ladder match structures. This is second time there has been catastrophic injury in one. The other being Fenix snapping his arm on an apron chokeslam. The agents need to find a way to reign in the chaos and bring a little more safety to the dangerous spots.
I understand the booking in hindsight. Think when Angle worked Benoit at the 2003 Royal Rumble. That loss is what catapulted him into his run to the title next year. With that in mind a stand out performance loss for Mark can make sense, if that's where they're going. Doubly so if they keep filling the heat balloon with Claudio. Giving some bad finishes in service to an ultimate great finish is definitely acceptable. But I am not at all confident that is where it's heading.
And if not just baffling to have two giant heel finishes like that. Even more baffling is whatever that ending was. Shibata giving no shits and wanting nothing to do with a run in. Kingston kind of just swearing for the sake of it. Just odd and in no way did it reinflate the crowd to send them home in an okay mood. Heel endings are necessary. But sometimes it's better to end with the heat than try to send the crowd home happy and miss the mark.
To end on a positive note I do like the simplistic title designs they've introduced. Just gotta get new TV & Six Man belts made. The titles all being silver is a nice touch for the number two company under the TK Umbrella.-
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The set is dope this year. Really like how it's incorporated the theme instead of just being the normal screens with extra lighting. Up there with the best looking / most creative of all the Wrestlemania sets.
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Ahh so those stupid ropes are here to say. Ugh hope they grow on me.
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5 hours ago, Kevin Wilson said:
I kinda miss that guy, I hope he makes a new account and just eases into it again and we don't realize its the same person until a few months in and suddenly we all go ITS THAT GUY and roll our eyes.
You shut your dirty mouth lol. We don't need him to show up for a third time. He was also banned for slut shaming Britt Baker / demanding Sammy & Tay publicly apologize for hiding their relationship from him at an autograph signing / trying to fight posters under his first incarnation. The NFL is fixed was his second account gimmick but he was also saying more gross women's wrestling stuff. Don't you make that monkey paw curl damn you.
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The red white & blue fit 80s WWE. It fit their brand and identity. And it fit the time. 80s WCW didn't have a singular identiy. Thir scheme seemed to change a bunch.
Idk I have always seen AEW's production as the spiritual successor to early Nitro. Regular rails. Black ropes that don't steal your attention visually. But the new bright logo filled rail lining. The new colored rope scheme. It's not what I associate with AEW. I had always associated them letting the wrestling stand out vs the gaudy bright colors and shiny shit everywhere and the excessive branding. Times are a changing. And I'm just one person. But this one person probably won't be paying as much attention going forward if it's going to be WWE-lite visually.
I chalk up being okay with it in the 80s to TVs not being HD. Now the contrast is jacked up so much and everything is hyper lit and hyper bright. That color scheme seriously clashed with me watching the action.-
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I only skimmed through the first 4 or 5 pages so apologies if this was brought up already. But I am shocked not to see much talk on the rope color. It actively took away from my enjoyment of the show. It was distracting and off putting. It felt like a low rent flea market independent that tries to pretend like they are WWE from the 80s. It doesn't fit AEW's brand. It's like some try hard shit. I guess I'm probably the only one that feels this way.
I'm starting to feel like man yelling at clouds. But I like traditional guard rails. I like simple black ropes. I'm not a fan of AEW WWE'ing their on screen presentation. I hate the look of WWE shows. Everything is so gaudy and over produced. And it seems like AEW is starting to do that. It's starting to turn me off. Maybe I'm alone in that. Maybe I'm gonna go full Drew here and the production look will be my Young Bucks lol.
Yes, yes, Vikingo & Kenny was fucking awesome. I loved it. But I would have loved it way more if I wasn't so distracted by the new aesthetics. Thanks for reading my rant. Now get off my lawn.-
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Is The Super Bowl winning QB Jeff Hostetler in this conversation ? *Greatest Giants player of all time!
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8 minutes ago, Andrew POE! said:
My problem is more the booking for all three of those guys doesn't lead me to believe they are world title material more so than that they are small or aren't big dudes. By that logic, Miro and Brian Cage should be in the World title picture because they are big dudes and look like main eventers....it's just that no one wants to see them.
I don't have a problem with Darby having a World title reign although I have a hard time buying it personally. I mean Tony Khan gave a World title reign to MJF so he can give it to Darby.
My comment wasn't related to size at all. Notice my MJF / Darby / Sammy / Jungleboy comps were Triple H, Mick Foely, Austin & The Rock. It's not about size or look as much as just having new fresh guys at the top. But you have to pick the right guys for that to work. And they have to get over. I'm on board with 3 out of the 4. But I don't see it for Sammy. I think Starks def belongs in that 4h spot. And all 5 of these potential options are up for debate. Some people thought Test was a better choice for the top of the card than Triple H back in the day for example.
My greater point tho was you can't stick to what you've been doing if you want to grow. What you're doing gets you to where you're at. Then you level off. You have to mix in some new faces and take a few gambles to see if it can get you beyond where you're at. Get to the next level. Sicking with Mox & Jericho as world champions here feels like a mistake and going with new acts on top is the right call. It's just which new acts are right for it. I know you're not an MJF fan. So maybe if it wasn't MJF & it was someone like Starks that got the MJF run you'd have a different opinion?-
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On 3/16/2023 at 7:09 AM, Andrew POE! said:
Read the results and...I would give none of the wrestlers (including MJF) a World title at this point. Sammy Guevara is known for trying to beat Jeff Hardy to a wheelchair with stupid spots. Jungle Jack Perry is essentially midcard for life after his feud and promos with Christian. Darby Allin, while he has a following and fans actually like him, has lost too much to be effective (to me, if his TNT title reign was longer and lasted until AEW Revolution, I would have argued that would help his case). And we know my feelings about MJF so I won't go over that.
Claudio, Moxley, Hangman Page, Jericho, Danielson (if he ever comes back) and Omega are the main event/World title material.
Let me put this in my 1997 filter hold on a sec.
Yeah! Hunter, Mankind, The Rock, & Austin don't deserve the world title! Stupid mid carders! It should be for Taker, Bret, & Shawn only!
Listen it's not apples to apples but they are going with a youth thing on top. I'm not saying you're wrong with the guys you're listing for who you want on top (just as Bret Shawn & Taker aren't wrong). But you gotta try new things to get new people over and catch that spark. If the same thought process you have now existed in 1997 they wouldn't have tried any of the new guys that made the business go boom. Bret & Shawn on top hit their popularity ceiling. There's no way WWE goes to that next level sticking with them. And I'm willing to be that's the thought process here.
You can debate if they have the right guys slotted in or not. But they're shooting their shot. In my opinion Darby could win the title tomorrow and not a single person would complain. But I bet a bunch of people would complain if Mox or Jericho got the title back. Been there done that vibes. Wrestling fans always want new. And if you ride the horse a year too long that's wayyyyy worse than getting off the horse a year too soon.-
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Thats not how this works tho. To construct a coherent story weaving through multiple television programs you don't outsource the writing for the other shows to someone else. For instance let's just use MJF vs Danielson here. Say TK has the book for Dynamite. He's doing the run the gauntlet gimmick. But Jarrett has the book for Collision. And Jarrett just does his own story for MJF & Danielson that doesn't fit the narrative.
You can't really farm out entire TV shows like that. Now your greater point tho if TK delegated hat he would be booking the world title, the womens world title and the tag title programs, then he delegated Trios, TNT, & TBS to someone else, then delegated International and the non title women to someone else. And Drak / Elevation & under card men to someone else. That's a structure that could possibly work.
I just think TK is very picky & very controlling. And I get it. Vince is that way too. Nothing got on TV without his approval. It's like it takes a certain personality type to get this kind of venture to the dance. But once you're at the dance, that same personality type is a detriment.
Personally I wish he'd structure the booking somewhat like I laid out. And just straight up separated ROH and let someone like Dustin Rhoads or Christopher Daniels book that. I just don't think that's in the cards tho.-
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Sorry to double post but I just realized exactly how much TV AEW are producing and it's mind boggling.
-AEW Dynamite -2 Hours
-AEW Rampage -1 Hour
-AEW Dark -1.5 Hours
-AEW Elevation -1.5 Hours
-AEW All Access -1 Hour
-AEW Collision -1 Hour
-ROH Weekly TV -2 Hours
-AEW Battle Of The Belts -1 Hour per quarter
-8 PPVs a year now counting Forbidden Door & ROH -4 to 5 Hours Each
If TK really is booking it all he's going to burn out. I believe Shawn Dean & QT do the booking for Dark & Elevation at the very least. But still. Just SO MUCH CONTENT. too much for one man, or even one team. It's even more than WWE is producing per week.-
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This will be the sixth AEW show WBD pick up. Dynamite, Rampage, Battle of The Belts, All Access, Collision, Rhoads To The Top.
There's no justifiable way to say WBD are looking to get rid of AEW. They are ordering more more more shows from them. And I totally get why. We can micro-analyze the ratings every week til we are blue in the face. But the price point (even factoring in a fee increase) is still better than first run scripted television and even sports. What's the deal as of now? It's like 43million a year? Divided by a lottttt of hours of TV. Wy better value for WBD than paying for expensive scripted shows.
It's a good fit. I know that crushes a lot of poster's narratives. But it's a good match that is going to continue for years to come.
For me, it's just too much. I'm not going to watch all of it. I'm going to watch Dynamite and continue to DVR the rest of the shows and will check out the stuff that gets good reviews or just skip it. More wrestling programming is a good thing for AEW's health. But at a certain point it tips and there's just too much and I lose interest. And that's where we are at. But that's just me.-
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2 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:
Well, Scott Fowler is now reporting that Carolina is looking into trading down from #1.
Yes, for real.
Yes, lol is an appropriate response.
Could this be how they go after Lamar? A deal with The Ravens for number one? But even then it doesn't make much sense because they gave up DJ Moore and their one next year (plus 2 twos). Do they give The Ravens the number one pick (not a swap, The Ravens keep their own one), and a one in 2025? Then sign Lamar? Idk. Seems like a simpler route would have been just signing him to an offer sheet and giving away two ones if that was the case.
Do they think they can trade down to like 2 or 3 and get back everything they gave the Bears and still get their guy at 2 or 3? That seems risky AF. Like a kid fucking around on Madden franchise mode.-
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Yeah The Bears won this one. While it may not be as much as others have gotten for the Number One pick, it's far more than I expected a team with limited leverage to get. They have their QB and in a QB heavy draft it's not like The Panthers HAD to move up to get one of the top 5.
DJ Moore is the perfect fit for The Bears in a way Claypool isn't. They get a solid above league average number 1 WR now and can use that 9th pick on a different position than WR. For their wants and needs this is a great deal.
For The Panthers if the QB hits this is still a win for them. It's just a roll of the dice. If the QB doesn't hit they are pretty bad off. But they must be pretty confident in the guy they want being a hit. We shall see.-
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I feel for Lamar, but I also don't. His talents and abilities more than warrant a huge price tag. But his stubborn ass acting as his own agent is truthfully what's hurting him here. He's compounding the collusion. The NFL absolutely does not want fully guaranteed contracts to be the norm. The NFL absolutely do no want athletes acting as their own agents to become the norm. No one is going to set both of those precedents at the same time.
That's what all the Twitter hot takes slamming Daniel Jones' deal in comparison are missing. Front offices have a lot of give and take with agents. We'll give you a little more here than we'd like but you're giving up a little leverage on the next client we're working with you on kind of thing. He wants to keep every penny and not pay out a percentage to an agent. He wants to keep every penny and have it all fully guaranteed. He wants a lot. And all together it's just too much.
I also think Dashawn looking like dog shit this year really soured any movement that had been made with the fully guaranteed deals. He looked badddddd. And I bet every GM went, well shit glad we didn't sign that guy to that deal. The Browns are fucked. And no one else wants to do that to themselves. Basically the sexual deviant and The Browns ruined it for the rest of the league.-
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Right. The way it's structured there's a ripcord after two years, in both cases. They are paying above what the tag is but taking less of a cap hit this way each of the first two years.
Daniel Jones is absolutely better than Geno Smith. In a similar situation in New York (with a worse coach but better receivers as a Giants QB) Geno tanked. Geno had a very good year this year. Geno also had Lockett. And DK. And Noah Fant. And Kenneth Walker. He had options. He had weapons. Yet The Seahawks won zero playoff games. The Giants won one.
It's not all about stats. Intangibles play a factor here. Jones isn't top tier by any means. But he's way under rated at least in this conversation. Give Jones DK & Lockett & Fant. Then let's see what those numbers say.-
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QB prices are going up. Jones also charged The Giants a bit of an F-U tax for not believing in him and picking up that fifth year option. I am okay with all of this. What was the alternative? Draft a new QB at 26 in the draft? Tyrod Taylor? Pick up someone older and more injury prone to play worse than Jones will? I don't care how many touchdown passes he threw. He was a difference maker in the offense this year. Every decision shouldn't be based on stats. That Broncos Super Bowl win Peyton had he had statistically about the league worst numbers. They still won The super Bowl.
The Giants overachieved with the worst receivers group in the league. Let's see what they can do with an upgrade in talent there. (Note to Giants, please don't forget to upgrade the WR talent this off season).
Geno Smith was a backup for 7 years and had one good year and got a $50 million dollar salary. Would anyone here actually pick Geno over Daniel Jones at this point in their careers? Jones' average salary per year is actually less than Geno. And The Giants get to keep Barkley. This is a big win from my perspective.-
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Is this one of the lamest builds to a WM in awhile or is it just me? Your dad liked me better is the story here? Or is it just the contrast from the Sami story having soooo much story telling behind it vs this just making this seem simplified and dumb to me? I'm not sure but either way not feeling this one. Could just be the hangover from such a great story preceding it. But I am over feuds based around Dusty Rhodes' love. That peaked in 2019 with Cody vs Dustin.
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Some rumblings on Twitter today that The Giants and Daniel Jones are getting close to a deal. One that will reportedly start with a 4. As in the $40mil range per year. As in somehow Daniel Jones will be in the wheelhouse of the 7th-ish highest yearly QB salary of all time. What? How?
Again I really like Jones. But if this is true they pretty much have to hit on every draft pick his entire run or else they will never get the talent turnover they need to stay competitive.-
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Yeah some of those animations are the exact ones from the AKI engine. Looks fun but I don't see this one holding up legally. Do love how they have a Mexico variant with a six sided ring, and a UFC variant with the octagon. But no way AKI / THQ / someone doesn't shut this one down. If it does somehow get through, looks like it's definitely worth my time.
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3 hours ago, Andrew POE! said:
Here's another example to help illustrate my point: Pac has started grabbing a ringside hammer during matches and is expecting his tag partners in Lucha del Mal Morte (or whatever they are called) to do the same or cheat. But why? Only going by what the announcers are saying, I have nothing else to know why they are doing this. Has Pac done a promo asking his stable mates to do this? What motivation does he have to do any of this? Unless it's expressed, I have no clue as a viewer.
I can't co-sign this. So you're saying having Pac ask them in the moment during the match to use the hammer and Lucha Bros being apprehensive isn't enough story telling for you? You need a specific backstage out of ring version of that for it to count? They spread the hammer story out over 8 matches. Pac is a bastard, he wants to win at all costs. So he got his dudes to cheat too to get an advantage. Pretty easily understandable story there in my opinion. I do no need nor do I want a backstage promo where he goes into a long story about how his mother was a hammer maker and he's doing it to honor her or some shit.
It's wrestling. A bad guy wrestler starting hitting people with hammers and it was working to win. So he wanted his buddies to do it too to keep their titles. Probably the worst example you could have picked to demonstrate any kind of point.-
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2 hours ago, Mario said:
Pardon my naivety, but how is being a Christian a tip-off that he’s a “psycho”.
I don't think being a Christian makes you a psycho necessarily. But if you make it your public identity almost as if it's your wrestling character, that's a red flag. Anyone working that hard to make that their identity is generally pretty phony. Usually there's a reason for being that level of phony and that reason tends to be the psycho part.
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13 hours ago, Andrew POE! said:
My not liking MJF has nothing to do with it. My problem is why haven't the comments made by MJF over the last several weeks - and even stretching back to his infamous pipebomb (if it can be called that) - didn't lead to Tony Khan pumping the brakes or advising him not to say those things on his wrestling program or at least someone who is more experienced (like a Big Show or a Tazz or a Mark Henry or a Dustin Rhodes) didn't pull MJF aside and tell him to keep it focused on the wrestling angle. Given that this is happening in a post-Chris Benoit tragedy world of wrestling. It's really irresponsible and shows how out of his element Tony Khan is.
If it's a bullet point on the format and none of the specifics are there, it is rather concerning. By it continuing every week, it's validation for what MJF is doing. By it being "Yeah, go out there and say what you want, just as long as you get the angle over," it becomes "Yeah, go out there and say you pinned a car accident on one of your ex girlfriends" or "That's fine if you just expressed suicidal inclinations on national television over your break-up with your fiance to your opponent at the PPV" because "it'll lead to ratings or merch sales and if it's on TV it's a work and we worked the smarks hurr durr." I dare say it but someone like Vince McMahon would have stopped MJF in his tracks and directed him toward keep it to wrestling only (not saying MJF can't talk about his personal life, he just needs to be smart about it). Honestly the portion about Bryan Danielson going after the title because he got past the opponents in front of him is compelling enough on its own with MJF freaking out and saying that there's no possible way Danielson will beat him at the PPV should be enough. All this other stuff that MJF is saying somewhat shows that he's really not ready and he's supposed to be AEW's World champion. (But somehow I'm supposed to keep it at the back of my mind)
At the end of the day, the bigger question becomes "why would anyone want to watch the PPV?" I'm hoping that what's happening leads to a great match but the same time I feel icky knowing that mental health issues of one of the wrestlers is even a storyline now.
I think this is a rational take on everything. There has to be a line and I do agree he's across it. For my tastes not by much, but it's a little edgier than it needs to be. But these are just opinions. The only opinion that matters is TK's. And he's obviously liking it. You don't put the title on MJF if you're not a fan of what he is and what he does.
And I don't want that to seem like I'm down on MJF. He's phenomenal in my opinion. He can get heat. He can get pops. He can turn a crowd and lead them anywhere he wants to with just his words. He's also vastly under rated in ring in my view. Some shit doesn't always connect. I did not like his backflip no sell of Takeshta's top rope clothesline. It looked really cool. But it didn't jive with the physics of wrestling. Despite all that MJF is great. And clearly deserving of being on top. You won't like to hear this but he's the closest we have to a Flair in this era.
If there was an internet and message boards how many people would have been criticizing the content of his promos? Being married and giving away his hotel room number and talking about Space Mountain and what not. Society changes as time goes on. Flair was the MJF of the 80s. And seeing how hard you criticize MJF just makes me chuckle some times. He certainly needs to dial back some of his act, but I don't quite agree to the lengths you suggest. I think we need more of MJF's commitment to his act from others.-
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April 2023 Wrestling Discussion
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
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No, don't back track. Doing one good deed doesn't make you a good person when you're publicly popping off at the mouth like the racist uncle of a generation gone by. Saying transphobic things like that negates good deeds. At heart he's a hateful garbage person and I would suggest his good deed was probably done as a way to over compensate for knowing deep down he's a garbage person.
If you think standing up for the equal ethical treatment of everyone is "morally superiority bs" then maybe this is a you problem and not a him problem. You shouldn't let one good deed of someone cloud your judgement. Bad people can do good deeds all day long. It doesn't erase nor exonerate them if they then go and do a shitty thing. And make no mistake about it this was a SHITTY thing.