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2 hours ago, Go2Sleep said:
It's true that he couldn't make his pec injury worse, but I would think in a physically demanding activity like pro wrestling, you drastically increase the chances of jacking up your shoulder on top of everything else if you have to compensate for a nonfunctional pec. There's also the issue of putting your opponent in more danger for similar reasons. Luckily neither of those two things seemed to happen.
Sometimes good things can come from bad decisions, though. Life's weird like that.
1 hour ago, kafkonia said:Well, if you let it go too long without getting the surgery, it will heal wrong and you won't be able to fix it. My roommate's ex wound up in that position from bad medical advice.
Yeah if left unattended it could be super serious and never heal right. But I know there was an LA Ram that tore his pec off the bone during the playoffs but he still played during The Super Bowl this year (Eric Weddle). So it's not just a wrestling thing. The NFL allowed it too. In Cody & Seth's cases they are more than capable of working around it too. They did some gruesome stuff, but they didn't reach past what Cody could handle. No Gorilla Presses or anything. So while extremely painful, still relatively safe.
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1 hour ago, Blue Dragon said:
Unless plans change, winners of both the mens and womens MITB matches get top title shots at next years WM. So if "insert Superstar here" wins the mens match.. he gets auto top title shot at next years WM.
This will be interesting to see play out. That's certainly how they had Cody word in the promo they did from the stadium. I know Meltzer said that it was a slip of the tongue that got past production... but that's pretty hard to believe. With how micro managed all the verbal content is, you gotta think that was said for a reason. I guess we'll find out.
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12 hours ago, Kevin Wilson said:
I'm pretty amazed that WWE's doctors let him do that. I know WWE's doctors aren't going to be as strict as UFC, etc. but unless it was a case where he couldn't make it worse and it was just pain management (which may be the case, no idea) it seems really reckless.
It's my understanding that once a muscle is torn off of the bone, you can't really make it any worse. It's already at the absolute worst it can be. So it's not like he could damage it any further. He already requires surgery to reattach the muscle to the bone. At that point it becomes a pain tolerance issue. If he can get through the physical pain of it to work, then there's not a lot of harm in clearing him to work. The problem can't get any worse than it already is.
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G1 is definitely a consideration here, but hear me out...
Before this press release came out, Tanahashi wasn't booked on Dominion. I looked at the lineup specifically for him. It feels like he is at that current John Cena level for New Japan. Where he is absolutely a legend. But maybe they just don't have any interesting ideas for him. Is it that crazy that a performer that's had some injury issues and may not be Teflon anymore might be granted a pass on this year's G1? New Japan would lose as a tournament entrant this year, but they would gain some miles back on his body if he only does like 3 or 4 AEW matches over that same time span.
I am not a NJPW expert, so maybe that's just pure craziness. You guys tell me. But I don't think it sounds out of the realm of possibility that New Japan would trade Tanahashi's participation in this year's G1 for him beating an AEW guy on the joint PPV to become their champion in the main event and strengthen their name on US TV via Tanahashi getting a run as interim champion in a national promotion in the United States.-
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1 hour ago, AxB said:
Fascists like to play the faux-naivety game. So when someone is "Just asking questions", the questions get answered. Not debated.
I'm sorry. I didn't know this would turn into a whole thing. While I agree with you that is a thing that happens, that's not what this was. I was just musing out loud about it. I didn't know there was so much conflict behind what I was saying. I accept that that is ignorance on my part and I'm sorry for bringing it up at all.
This isn't the right thread for all of this anyways. So if there's more to it that I haven't grasped please feel free to DM me. But again I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to provoke anything and this wasn't me playing the intellectually dishonest "just asking questions" card. There's no way for me to prove that, so you'll either just have to believe it or not believe it. I hope you choose to believe it, but it is what it is man.-
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21 minutes ago, Shartnado said:
History knows a few instances where one person had three matches in one special night. He could even lose to Finley and then bounce back by winning the Battle Royale and besting Mox in the end. I mean, there are several other options they could go with, but I can see that being among the discussion.
Battle royal opens the show. They've already announced that. So if Hangman were to win (which is plausible if he's in it) I would assume they say well he's not going to wrestle Finlay now and slide someone else into that one. Ya know the eliminator is more important than a one off match, wants to be at full strength.
But I will go out on a limb and say they will inexplicably leave Hangman out of the battle royal. Kayfabe wise it wouldn't make a lick of sense. But real world wise they probably want to distance him from the title and move him onto whatever was already planned for him. Originally him v Okada was reported, but that was then refuted (possibly just because it spoils NJPW Dominion, could still be legit). So we'll see how it all shakes out. But my money is on Hanger not being involved in the battle royal at all. -
8 minutes ago, Ace said:
I think Page wins the BR and beats Mox.
They pushed he's working David Finley, even after they announced the battle royal last night. Will he wrestle three matches?
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3 hours ago, AxB said:
The pronouns debate has already occurred. We don't need to talk about whether or not you should respect other people's preferred pronouns, because quite simply you should respect other people's preferred pronouns. Settled issue.
Unless you're 100% happy to be siding with the neo-fascists, Men's Rights Activists and Transphobes, obviously. Although if that's the case, you should probably say so, so the mods can ban you.
You can respect people's rights and feelings while also wanting to use proper grammar. It's not an either or thing. I support trans rights and people's choices to be binary / non-binary / whatever else comes up over time. Whatever makes someone happiest about themselves has my full support. Full stop. I have no preference to what genders a person identifies with / feels most comfortable living life as / etc.
Just because I commented about wanting a better way to word it, from a grammatical standpoint, shouldn't lump me in on the same side as neo-fascists & transphopes. I know at this point that's everyone's first reaction because of troll culture. But sometimes it's an actual, honest, no ill intent intended person trying to make conversation / get an understanding.-
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44 minutes ago, Kevin Wilson said:
It would be cool if they go the "surprise" route but there are still only a handful of options. Since the match will likely be the main event of a $50 PPV, its not going to be Hobbs, Starks, Brody, etc. as those guys would be better B Level Dynamite challengers rather than main eventing a PPV. Not in regards to in-ring skill or overall ability, there just isn't enough time in three weeks to build them up to that level for the fans to take them seriously as a title threat and main event draw.
So it pretty much has to be between Mox, Danielson, Kingston, Cole, or Jericho. Mox is the most obvious especially since they are making it obvious, but Danielson or Cole would also work within the AEW Universe. Kingston or Jericho would be interesting and the crowd would buy it, but less likely.
Yeah I agree with your logic here. I just can't wrap my head around how complicated they made it for it to just end up being Mox vs Tanahashi. Like if that's the match you're going with why not just say the number one contender will face the PPV challenger that's already signed on for the match? So much less complicated.
And I also agree with and understand why it can't be Takeshita vs Tanahashi. But a man can dream.
They will probably go the least interesting route and not even tease someone new-ish here. Danielson wins the Battle Royal. Danielson vs Moxley in a babyface we love each other but we're going to murder each other match. Which will probably produce a hell of a match. So you can't really argue it. But it's just the kind of plain story option. -
A little more complicated than it needs to be, but at least there's logic to it.
Mox is the current AEW #1 contender (for the AEW Title). He has to beat someone to qualify.
Tanahashi is the NJPW #1 contender (for the AEW Title). He has to beat Goto to qualify.
To me this is the time to do something surprising. You have someone unexpected win the battle royal & beat Mox. New Japan wants to save that Mox vs Tanahashi match I would assume. So give us a surprise match we didn't expect. Give me Takeshita vs Tanahashi!-
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I'm basing my thoughts on how I think TK's mind works. He's incredibly detail oriented. He has things planned out well in advance. I think he already has something booked out for The Elite guys. And that he won't want to scrap whatever that is for Cole to be interim champion. That's also why I don't think it'll be Mox or Danielson Jericho for that matter. He has Blood & Guts and probably the next story already mapped out for all of them. I also assume he has a Hangman story in mind as well.
So based on that, I just think it has to be someone who he doesn't have a story in mind for already. -
11 hours ago, Blue Dragon said:
I hope the interim belt looks different.
Wishful thinking. The other times they've done interim titles it's just been the same design (TNT Title & ROH Women's Title).
As I said in the Rampage thread to me it's pretty much a lock Tanahashi wins the interim title at the PPV tho.
You make New Japan happy by giving them a big win over an AEW guy at the joint show. You make the fans happy seeing a top tier New Japan guy more often. You still get the Punk vs Tanahashi match when Punk is cleared. It's win-win-win. It's definitely a weird structure to get there tho. I figure if you were gonna run Mox vs Tanahashi... just announce that match. Why the song & dance? They may have Mox penciled in for something already and the battle royal is the way to throw in someone random without messing with the rankings too much. -
4 hours ago, Mr Harms said:
Watch the entrance again, he’s messing with his foot when FTR come out, then has a limp down the aisle.
Just rewatched it. And I think I pinpointed the exact moment of injury. So when he dives into the crowd his left leg doesn't even go into the crowd. He's smiling. He's laughing. Shit is fine. When he goes back over the rail he lands on his left foot only, because his right leg is hungup in the rail. He kind of no sells it but you can tell waiting on the ramp something's up. And he does fiddle with it as FTR come out.
I'm pretty sure him coming down awkwardly on one foot leaving the railing is what caused the problem now. Ligament or bone damage from that alone probably wouldn't require surgery. Just be annoying. Be then he jammed that same foot again on the botched springboard. Which now in retrospect was probably botched because of the foot being janky. Jamming the foot like that definitely could have broken bones or torn ligaments.
Talk about a freak accident. To me it's pretty much a lock Tanahashi wins the interim title at the PPV tho. You make New Japan happy by giving them a big win over an AEW guy at the joint show. You make the fans happy seeing a top tier New Japan guy more often. You still get the Punk vs Tanahashi match when Punk is cleared. It's win-win-win. It's definitely a weird structure to get there tho. I figure if you were gonna run Mox vs Tanahashi... just announce that match. Why the song & dance? They may have Mox penciled in for something already and the battle royal is the way to throw in someone random without messing with the rankings too much.-
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I mentioned it in The Dynamite thread but he definitely tweaked his foot on the botched springboard. Not diving in the crowd. He started limping after the botched dive. And was fiddling with his foot and rolled up his kickpad right after the pin. The had his shoe off on his foot in that post show pic with FTR drinking the beers.
But I think this is more cleaver promotion and not him relinquishing the title or anything major. I think it's obvious the discourse from this board gets back to TK and he's just subverting our expectations. Or at least the vocal minority that claims 'hE's DoInG ThiS On PuRPose'.-
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1 hour ago, DMJ said:
If Punk had turned heel - as some predicted - I would've been 1000% on board with Kingston winning the title at the Arthur Ashe show (can you imagine the pop?) and then dropping it back within a month or two. The ol' Lex Luger in 97' thing.
Luger held the title for five days. How crazy is it that WCW put their PPV main event out there on Nitro five days before the PPV and did a title change? Crazy unpredictable. Hogan won the title back at the PPV, but still. That's an air of unpredictability we don't get anymore.
I don't remember knowing it at the time (because I don't feel like it was hyped very hard) but that was the 100th episode of Nitro. That's why they wanted a big moment to cap off the night.-
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6 hours ago, Bustronaut said:
Please stop making me defend Ezra Miller. They're non-binary and only use They/them pronouns, so not a he/him/his or a "dude"
Really wish we could come up with a different pronoun to represent this. It just feels wrong to the grammar part of my brain to use a plural pronoun to denote a singular human being. I understand and have no issue with someone being non-binary. But the verbiage just sounds off to use they / them.
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The first three episodes of Season 3 are up and they're great. Love this show.
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36 minutes ago, supremebve said:
That's why the money making guys are the faces for the majority of the story. They are the champions, who are saying all the right things and treating MJF and his cronies like the whiny bitches they are. Once it turns, you are putting the younger group over. Then after all of that it was a long con of manipulation from MJF the entire time.
The story already has its tracks laid with Danielson and Moxley's characters being the vets who brutalize youngsters as a form of tough love. That's why i made the turn to be with Darby or Jungle Boy, they are never day die babyfaces who the crowd would sympathize with enough to make the turn work. Moxley and Danielson are in their late 30 to early 40s. They are by no means washed up, but it is about time for them to start putting over the next generation. It needs to be done subtly, but it's a story that could work.
It's not like anyone will ever listen to my booking advice, but that's how I'd do it.
Listen I'm not saying it wouldn't be a fun or entertaining story. It would be. Just that there really isn't a way of doing it that doesn't cannibalize the value of most of the guys that draw money for AEW. Like there are tiers here. I don't think Cole or Red Dragon or Keith Lee / Swerve being involved in this story would tank AEW's business too bad. But if it moves up the card to the big deals like Punk & Danielson & Mox it would absolutely have a negative effect on business.
It's not just as simple to draw money as Darby pins Mox. MJF pins Punk. Jungleboy pins Danielson. It takes a lot more to elevate someone and get them to be money drawing member of the roster than just coming out on top of a story and getting a win. How many times did Roman Reigns get wins before he found his way and became an actual money drawing act? You do 100% hurt the value of the "WWE" guys you let be shit talked and treated as invading guys that the audience shouldn't like tho.
So what happens if the story ends exactly as you have it laid out but AEW's PPVs don't make as much money in the next cycle? They drop off 20% because Punk is devalued. It's too late to turn back the clock at that point. It's not really a risk worth taking unless you have strong indicators BEFORE starting the angle that the "WWE" guys aren't the ones people are paying for anymore.-
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2 hours ago, supremebve said:
First, this is a boredom at work idea and no one should actually take it seriously. Second, now I'm doubling down on why this is a good idea.
The way this would work is that MJF and whoever eventually joins him would not only be heels to start, but they'd be heels because of what you said above. Danielson, Punk, Moxley, etc. have been pretty clear on why they signed with AEW. They gave no interest in turning this into an us vs. them angle. The issue is that MJF and his group have a point, they've been grinding from the very first show trying to make a name for themselves and as soon as they start gaining momentum, these outsiders come in and immediately get pushed up the card. This needs to start small with just MJF, and people have to slowly start agreeing with him. For the most part everything will continue as usual for most of the card for up to a year.
The way this needs to work is that there needs to be a tipping point where the former WWE guys hold all of the belts, and one of them tries to injure Jungle Boy or Darby to keep the championship. Whatever it is has to be so foul that they go to MJF's side and takes the crowd with him. Then everyone who was on the fence or wanted to stay out of it, can't realistically not fight for their place in AEW. The build up needs to be long, but the blowout should be fairly short.
Up until this point, MJF and whoever joins him are whiny heels who are bitching and complaining about their spot on the card. The ex-WWE guys are saying all the right things, but as they win more championships, they are turning up the viciousness while the originals are valiantly going out on their shields. After the tipping point, the ex-WWE guy has to cut a promo about how they aren't going to apologize for their actions, because this is what it takes to be a champion. Then the originals, who are now the faces, band together to get all the belts. As soon as Jungle Boy or Darby win the world championship, MJF turns off him. The end.
Nope. Made it worse. So you would actively try your hardest to get the crowd to turn on the biggest money generating members of the roster? Like the end result down the line is AEW originals are the babies, and the guys that have helped almost double the PPV buys like Punk & Danielson among others are now to be reviled? If they go down that road and commit to it and the audience buys in, you're purposely tanking the value of these guys. If the storyline really works hardcore you get your audience booing these guys out of the building every time they are on tv. They stop buying their merch. They stop buying PPPVs to see these guys wrestle. The people that are tuning in to see them probably stop tuning n.
You're splitting your fanbase up and making them fight against each other. It's a work brother. It's not AEW guys vs WWE guys because everyone here is an AEW guy. There's no benefit in portraying the biggest draws like Punk & Danielson & Mox & Jericho as "WWE guys" at all. You're losing money and market share and fan interest by telling them these are the guys you shouldn't like now. And to take it a step further you're encouraging people that like Mox & Punk & Danielson to go watch the other guys because that's who has the people you like.
It can work on a small scale with one heel working his way through super low card dudes. Billy Gunn. Dustin. Big Show. Mark Henry. But it veers you off a cliff to the extent you're advocating for. I understand there are fans that only care about the on screen product they see. But when you factor in the business aspects of this it's financial suicide.-
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Sorry dude but ex-WWE v AEW "originals" would suck.
Moxley's been there since day one. What makes him a WWE guy? Who determines which guys are WWE guys? The roster is made up of about 70% performers that have been in WWE. Then do all WWE guys become heels? So now Punk, FTR, Mox, Danielson, Ruby, Toni, Athena are all just heels now?
Also how do you run this angle on part of the show, but ignore it in other parts of the show? A civil war inside the company like this just takes over and makes everything else secondary. It's like Survivor Series time in WWE with brand supremacy that makes no sense. Or the Invasion where dudes like X-Pac are now considered the baby even as a heel vs Kidman who was a baby that was considered a heel. Like FTR & Miro hated how they were used in WWE. But we have to force them to be WWE guys now?
The logic just doesn't track. I also hate them using "AEW originals" when talking about the Hangman & Punk story. That's a full on ripoff of TNA and it didn't work then and it won't work now. People want to like the people they think are awesome, not be told hey you're not supposed to like that guy now because he was employed somewhere else first.
I'm fine with MJF running with this story. As a heel. And getting his comeuppance. But if it extends beyond that it will implode and make the product a chore to slog through.-
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5 hours ago, A_K said:
P.s. — Punk is botching deliberately. Just so you guys know, you know?
No, he's not.
3 minutes ago, Technico Support said:Need @NoFistsJustFlips to weigh in and smarten us all up on this. What day of wrestling school is "how to fake a botch to work the smart marks?" Is this what the Hulkster meant when he was talking about working a work and thus working yourself into a shoot?
Well Punk was never athletic, and now he's older.
Yeah the slipping on springboards is not on purpose here. He did it a couple times in WWE too. It's never led to anything and is never factored into a spot. And after the match ended you could see him messing with his foot and rolled his kickpad up. In the beer / soda picture with FTR his shoe is off on the foot. He jacked his foot up on the slip.
Punk is an amazing worker, but he's never been an amazing athlete. He doesn't need to springboard. And I'd expect him to drop that now since he was the only one in that match that didn't come off like a million bucks and he tweaked his foot. Just climb to the top quick and hit the diving line. It adds 1.5 seconds to the setup time, negligible. Unnecessary. He doesn't need to springboard anymore.
Planning botches is not on a lesson plan in training school lol. Most shindy ass schools out there today you're lucky if they teach you how to do things right. Expecting them to also teach you how to do it wrong on purpose is asking wayyyy too much lol.-
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Do Bischoff & Prichard share the A_K account? Jesus Christ dude we get it. At least they have a few hours of air time they're trying to fill. You're basically just spamming the meme of the dude pointing to his brain a bunch. No one cares.
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1 hour ago, Matt D said:
Greg vs Tito
Appreciate the effort in uploading that for me. I did watch the whole match and I was pleasantly surprised. No matter anyone's opinions you certainly can't call Valentine lazy here. He puts a shift in with his selling. I do not remember him being this high level with selling. So maybe I have just been letting childhood bias cloud my judgement. Good pick having a Tito match too because I have plenty Tito vs Greg matches in my memory bank. And love me some prime Tito. The overall presentation here is such a breath of fresh air too vs the modern presentation.
This was a good choice to start moving my opinion. It was mostly all Tito on offense, but that let what Valentine did on the sell and between spots really shine. Couple weird things like when Tito caught the foot and went to spin him Greg just didn't spin lol. Going into this I thought I'd be like the older lady in the front row with her arms crossed bored out of my mind. But I came away with a new appreciation for what I may have been missing. So thank you. This may have just been a good choice, or it might be closer to what Valentine really was. Either way I at the very least take back my lazy & creatively bankrupt comments for sure.
I'm going to have to take some time and track down a few more PTW matches of his to see if I was really that far off about him, or if this was just one of his higher end tv matches.-
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6 minutes ago, Matt D said:
If you do a chinlock and boot stomp well enough, why would you ever, ever need to do anything else? It’s not what you do, it’s how you do it and how you use it and the story you can tell with it. There’s no middle ground to be found here between you and I, I’m afraid. But I’m happy to move on to the issue at hand.
There's nothing special or expert about Valentine's chinlocks or boot stomps. Listen I get having exceptional skills and staying in that lane because it's something you excel at. For example all of Lawler's best work are built around his incredible punches and his selling. That's only two things just like Chinlocks & boot stomps in this analogy. But Lawler was creative.. Lawler would give you interesting and new lead ins to spots around his big punches. Valentine was doing those two things not because he did them any better than anyone else, he spammed those two things because he was lazy and creatively bankrupt.
And we may just not agree on this one. That's okay. People can have different opinions and all that. But I just don't rate laziness and lack of creativity high on my scale of work.
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As a casual gamer I love the original Sonic games. Sonic 3D is where they lost me. Just lost all sense of direction in a 3D environment for that character. Mario worked in 3D because he jumps around and squishes people. He doesn't run into a ball flying at the speed of light. Although Sega Tennis on the 360 was fun as hell. They should have just spammed the Mario blueprint. Platformers, party games, racing games, cartoon sports games, a smash brothers kind of game. I never checked out any of the open world style games or 3D kind of games.
I love Crash Bandicoot. That feels like what Sonic should have evolved into. A platformer with 3D elements. Should have dialed back the speed gimmick and used it only for sliding rails or doing the occasional speed loops.
All that being said, I've already pre ordered the Sonic remaster coming out this month. 1,2,3, & Sonic CD with updated graphics & challenges and stuff. I'd LOVE if Mario stuff could cross over to non-Nintendo systems and do the same thing. But yes I'm well aware that's Nintendo's money maker and that will never happen as long as Nintendo has it's own consoles.