NoFistsJustFlips
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I won't waste too much time trying to sway you because we just aren't going to agree. I enjoy AEW. I much prefer it to WWE even when there's flaws I think could be done better. But the posts you generally make don't hold a lot of weight with me because you cover for everything they do and kind of just blame the people disliking it for not understanding the greatness being displayed in front of them. You don't have a whole lot of credibility in the objectivity category.
But hey we both want a fun & healthy AEW to watch. If you're already there and having fun with what's being presented I'm happy for you.
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Show, don't tell. The words they're using are saying that the angle is Mox wanting to take out the complacent wrestlers. But what they're actually showing is a group jumping the rail to attack low card dudes and agents. Replace spray painting with neck Pillmanizing. What they're showing isn't matching what they're saying.
If they were really going after the complacent wrestlers they'd be attacking champions that don't defend titles. They'd be going after dudes that only work one show. They'd be going after dudes on losing streaks. Outside of Bryan (who does fit the angle), they're just doing generic beat downs on randos.
They targeted Private Party and Private Party got their shit together and won the tag team titles. If this is what the angle was about they wouldn't have been fighting with Private Party before their title shot and they would have came back out and clapped for them because that's what they were looking for.
It's not that they story they are trying to tell is nWo like. It's that the story they are trying to tell, they're not telling very well. So it's muddy and people are just comparing the similar beats to what they've seen before.
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One match in the whole first hour? We got a very promo & video heavy first hour.
I'm just gonna say it, the new 60s inspired look for Jamie Hayter is actively sabotaging her overness. She is now in negative over territory when she was the biggest star in the women's division before she got hurt. I don't know why she doesn't pivot. Could just be a me thing. But it's just such an out if character look for an ass kicker.
Private Party winning was dope. Still not feeling the boring Mox / BCC thing. Did like that there was *some* kind of development from The Bucks leaving. The shredding documents thing was dumb in a fun way like that too lol.
I'm normally not one to ever care or be bothered by size differences. But Cole just didn't work the match well with someone that starkly different from his look. He needed to be more of a Piper getting some cheating shit in (yes while a face) and clever offense. Stick & move and eye poke. Superkick and boom stuff would have been fine if they didn't do the ankle deal. But they did. And it was a disservice to do all that to be hopping and posting off the leg so much.
Feel like this angle ends with Cole getting a DQ win over Malakai, then losing to Brody. Roderick will get 2 wins also and MJF will make them face each other. Cole wins and Roddy begrudgingly does respect deal after. The at Full Gear Kingdom turn in Cole. MJF wins and moves on. Cole fights through them for awhile.
For those that care, the orange ropes didn't bother me a bit! Black, white, red, orange, whatever. As long as they're not multicolored and visually distracting, I'm fine with it.
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Waiting for the other shoe to drop on these deals. What's the non compete component? WWE traditionally doesn't do things for altruistic motives. So if you train at a WWEID school are you barred from working anywhere? If you're a WWEID worker are you barred from signing with AEW or New Japan?
Not enough details out there for me to form a fair opinion yet.
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Kip Sabian really made Hangman look like a fool. It was hard to catch but they had two Spear spots planned. Sabian was supposed to hop on the apron during the second one but was way early and jumped up on the first one. Hangman was sent out because his spot timing was based on Sabian's run in. So that's why he laid on the ground like an idiot for 10 minutes lol.
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Unpopular opinion: I am bored to death by The Conglomeration. Separately I like everyone. Especially Willow & Beiscoe. But smashing them all together with no real purpose and giving them sooooo much tv time is a big nope for me.
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You don't have to like it or think it was well done / a good idea. I don't think a lot of us like it or think it was done well, me included lol. But that's what was planned. It wasnt a pivot or change from any injury or anything. Dude isnt working 30+ mins against Okada if he's so hurt you have to have him drop the belt in an emergency rush.
It was always have him win, get a short run to say thank you to him, & reward the fans. Then drop it in his home state 2 months later. Remember he didn't want a title run at all. So a short reign being planned is very likely when you consider it to be the compromise they agreed on.
I think throwing in some short reigns here and there are good for business. Let things feel unpredictable again. So I don't have a problem with the short reign part of the equation.
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20 hours ago, just drew said:
My personal opinion, just based on context clues and some things that have come out about Danielson's health, is that everyone involved thought they were going to have more time to run this angle. I think the endgame was always for Mox to take the title from Danielson, but it wasn't going to happen for much longer. I think they learned something about Danielson's neck or back that forced the abbreviated run. That's why Darby lost his title shot to Mox. The title needs to be on Mox for whatever the next story beat is, and Danielson apparently legitimately needs at least one surgery, so they had to go ahead and pull the trigger.
I'd be willing to bet the plan was always Darby vs Bryan at Grand Slam with a fuck finish from Mox OR a valiant loss to Bryan where Mox attacks and destroys both after. The plan was always for Bryan's hard out to be Wrestle Dream in Washington. They just fucked the Darby match when on a whim TK changed course to get that Nigel match in.
I'm glad the Nigel match happened. But I wish it happened in a different way.
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Man this whole talking point that has existed since WWE started it's monopoly of pushing "ex WWE guys" being bad has to stop. Who cares where someone came from. If they're a good and over character / wrestler, push them.
Swerve is an "ex WWE guy" and he's so fucking good / over. Should a segment of the fanbase be pissed he came into his own and earned a run on top because of where he was previously? It's demeaning to go, well this guy spent time on the indies first so he's good for business and this guy didn't so he's bad for business.
WWE's hottest boom period was based around pushing ex-WCW guys. Austin, Triple H, Taker, Foley. Didn't see anyone caring. Let dudes have the freedom to freshen up and evolve without dismissing them outright for where they used to work.
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I continue to be baffled how Darius Slayton has a job. He drops half the balls thrown to him and takes so many plays off. Why Jones tried to force it to him on the last 4th down when he barely even ran his route is beyond me. This game was maddening.
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With the benefit of hindsight, we got 5 more matches out of Bryan's "full time" run. And it's a fucking shame we'll never get that Darby match now.
-Jack Perry was a fucking WASTE of a .match for Bryan. So egregious now knowing how few matches there were.
-NIgel was a fun and appropriate box to check in this last run.
-Okada was also appropriate. It wasn't new territory but definitely fitting and meaningful.
-Tag with Yuta v Pac & Cladio was also kind of a waste because it was just an extended story building to the final match.
-Mox was another waste because it's a been there done that match. And then the post match was so bad it sours the solid work they did put in.
Feels like theybhad a chance to give us a few cool matches we'll never get again and they decide to go nahhh yall get Jack Perry. Another missed opportunity in a growing list of them in the recent past for AEW.
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I don't mind a heat finish. Sometimes you need that downer ending to bring the ride down before you're ready to ride it back up to new heights. That said, I personally find the ending last night worse than the infamous Dark Order segment that everyone shit on and made TK take away booking power from The Elite. I feel it's the worst AEW has ever been.
First, Mox is stale an uninteresting. Going from buzz cut to shaved head and adding a woman heater isn't much of a character change. He's had the title a million times already as well. Building him up as this unstoppable bully also rings hollow when he's already done jobs for people like OC & Fenix.
Second, the execution. That was some sloppy & poorly done work after the match ended. Noted real life best friends of Bryan... Jeff Jarrett & Provate Party??... are the only ones out to help. You have JR mocking Jarrett's involvement. The first bag angle was so heinous in storyline that.... everyone else just let it happen again? The rest of the guys only came out after a Pillmanizer neck deal? Why?
Finally, it sets up a boring conclusion. I love Darby. I'll be happy to see him have a World Title run. But him vs Mox has happened so many fucking times already. I have zero instrest in the retread. You have so many over and fresh options to be elevated and to get behind. Like fuck man you couldn't build up Brody King as this unstoppable monster final boss scary monster instead of Mox? There's so many options even if they were set on this being the story.
TL;DR - Basically it was a poorly done angle done with an un-over and uninteresting person building to something we've seen 100 times. Wrestling fans want new. This is reaching lol Moxley wins territory. As sick of him on top as I was of Orton & Cena in 2009. We should be seeing a rotation of Swerve & Ospreay & MJF & Darby & Hangman & Jay White on top. Not Mox or Jericho anymore.
AEW legitimately feels like a chore to watch right now.
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1 hour ago, SovietShooter said:
I think the biggest issues with AEW creatively is that right now the company is lacking an identity. For the first few years they were the alternative where you could see wrestling matches that were good simply for the purpose of having good matches. I think between Cody leaving, Omega being out injured so much, and the Bucks getting Punk'd, the heart and soul of AEW is gone. They need to have a come-to-jesus intervention, where the decision makers all figure out what AEW is going to be going forward, and then stick with that plan.
Hard agree. It was launched off the back of All In. And that was basically promoted as hey wrestling kinda fucking sucks with this monopoly, lets do a self made cool thing to give fans an option. The driving and thriving heartbeat of that was Bucks, Cody, & Omega. They had so much fan good will & love.
Fast forward to now, The Bucks are kind of value-less. Blame it on the Punk thing, blame it on meandering creative, blame it on them cashing in and not having a lot of motivation anymore. For whatever reason they just don't have that good will & love anymore. Like this current run isn't an homage to their Bullet Club run where they were shitheads but did it so welll people loved them. Now they're just shit heads people are apathetic towards. Omega being hurt sucks. He's one of their cornerstones. He didn't lose as much luster as The Bucks with the Punk thing, but he too isn't as over or universally loved like he was in the beginning.
Then you have Cody. Exiled from AEW due to the fans kind of turning on him. Which could not have worked out better for him because he was able to dive right back in with WWE and get a little bit of of a rub off of AEW fans exiling him. Those 'WWE is the only real pro wrestling' fans embraced the shit out of that as a badge of honor to like Cody. 'See AEW sucks and their fans cant even see this super mega star standing right in front of them'.
In truth AEW's real identity is whatever TK is vibing with on a given day. Sometimes that's LED aprons to look more like WWE. Sometimes that's hey lucha trios matches are fucking cool lets do a bunch of those. Sometimes it's lets do some territory shit WWE thiks is too hokey. AEW is't ever going to have a singular vision because TK likes too many things and wants to serve too many masters. Are they ECW are they classic ROH are they 2010s New japan are they GCW are they new age WCCW are they peak Nitro. They're all of it, but they're also none of it.
Long story short, brand split. Dynamite is your sports entertainment. Collision is your gritty territory thing. ROH is your workrate / sports presentation thing. At least then that scatterbrained identity can be harnessed with some purpose.-
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4 hours ago, The Natural said:
Thought this could be fun, which AEW belts would you put on whom and which would you get rid off?
Hard brand split. Dynamite & Collion have separate rosters. All World Titles travel both brands.
Traveling World Titles:
AEW World (men's) -both
AEW World (women's) -both
AEW Wolrld Tag (men's) -both
AEW World Tag (women's) -both
Show Specific Titles:
International (men's) -Dynamite
International (women's) -Dynamite
Continental (men's) -Collision
Continental (women's) -Collison
Third developmental brand Ring of Honor. Completely separate brand with an emphasis on newer and developing talent. Basically on an island with minimal to no AEW involvement or overlap like the beginning years of NXT.
ROH Pure Champion (men's) -top title
ROH Pure Champion (women's) -top title
ROH Tag (men's)
ROH Tag (women's)
Between all 3 brands combined you have 12 Titles. 6 men's. 6 women's. 4 Tag Titles. 8 singles Titles. Zero trios titles or titles named after TV networks.
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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:
This isnt "heating people up", this is microwaving them on high for 30 seconds.
Love this phrase lol, stealing it
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Also (as I've complained about with AEW as well) there's... TOO MANY BELTS.
Wwe mens, WWE women's, worlds men's, worlds women's, ic, us, world tag, wwe tag, women's tag, men's speed, women's speed, men's crown jewel, women's crown jewel, men's nxt, women's nxt, men's north American, womens north american, nxt tag.
19 belts is way too many. Get off my lawn.
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I'd actually like the unpredictability of Sami winning the title. But ain't no way. Goldberg shows up in Saudi to cost Gunther (and protect him) and they'll run Goldberg's retirement match against Gunther at The Rumble.
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If Shockwave ends up being a thing I think it could help attendances. Because it's gotta be live. Running a Weds & Thurs as opposed to a Weds & Sat could benefit them greatly. Can do discount ticket deals to both taping. Keep the routing close. Make sure all the A talent are available because it's back to back days.
Live 2 hour Dynamite on Weds then tape 1 hour ROH after. Live 1 hour Shockwave on Thurs then tape 2 hour Collision after.
But I know that's just my ocd wanting a balanced and equal taping schedule. They'd do some random sloppy shit and it will annoy me lol. But fir real back to back taping on weeknights like that would be an easier sell to get people to Collision.
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Both of those are good points and realistic reasons to not announce all the details now. Doesn't make it less frustrating, but at least understandable.
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I wish they were more specific with the PPV component. Seems like an odd choice to be so intentionally vague. If you have a deal in place announce your deal. Even if they don't have a start date locked in give some kind of price point or clarity.
But this is a big win for AEW. Roughly double their yearly rights fees income, with an addition deal rumored for Fox possibly still to come.
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3 hours ago, Casey said:
It would be funny if that’s all it is. No PPVs, no back catalog. Just Dynamite and Collision airing the same day on Max.
The Variety article mentions "discounted PPVs will be available on Max later in 2025". That blurb is vague. Live PPVs? Discounted replays a week later? How discounted? Seems like an odd point to be vague on so hopefully AEW has a clear and concise announcement tonight that explains it all
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14 hours ago, Ace said:
Wardlow just ain't it.
I can appreciate this opinion and I think a lot of people agree. But he's capable of a lot more than he's been allowed to show. It feels like coaches or agents got in his ear and talked him out of doing a lot of what makes him special in the ring.
It's like the stories of Hogan pulling Big Show aside in his first year as The Giant and telling him to knock off the athletic shit he's supposed to be a big lumbering oaf. Wardlow hasn't even hit second gear compared to what he pulled off on the indies.
But until he actually puts some of that work on the screen I can understand why you wouldn't take my word for it.
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Just popping in to mention how tacky I think it is for a pro wrestling company to artificially extend a talent contract due to injury. I hate it when WWE does it. I hate it when AEW does it. Yet another reason why there needs to be a union in wrestling. These people get used & taken advantage of beyond the pale. The Jets don't get to automatically keep Aaron Rodgers a year longer just because he blew out his achilies last year. It's predatory bullshit and something I used to think AEW was above. TK is losing good will with fans & workers alike by fucking over Fenix. Your end date should be your end date, full stop.
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40 minutes ago, COLETTI said:
You know, Wardlow looks really good in a suit, is pretty tight with Hobbs off screen, and has been off TV long enough to grow back the hair...
Lashley, Wardlow, & Hobbs would be like an Evolution stable of all Batistas. I change my vote to this lol.
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AEW TV - 10/30 - 11/5/2024 - Sweet Home Aminata
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True story I had to Google what banal meant. Sorry next time I'll just drop a gif of Rick Martel's perfume to describe your disposition lol.