Elsalvajeloco
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1 hour ago, odessasteps said:
Hopefully not with ear/face mutilation every night around the horn.
Giving the prevalence of blading then, I would think similarly of not every night but still most nights. You don't do a dog collar match and then turn it down a few notches cause you're in a smaller market or arena. At best, they probably just worked the same match but with one or two less over the top violent highspots.
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34 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
For an ostensibly straight dude, Piper talked about LGBTQ stuff in promos, completely out of nowhere, a whole lot. Sometimes I got the impression Piper was so far in the closet he could see Narnia.
"**something something** auditioning for RuPaul!"
Slightly confused crowd:....Yeah? Ok yeah!
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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:
Everything you wrote after the first sentence counteracts that statement. "Piper as a face with about 30 exceptions I will list here."
Thing is though: (1) Piper would have done all those negatives as a heel and somehow been more offensive cause he had to get heat, which would have him more insufferable and (2) once he turned babyface in WWF, it would have been tough to turn him back just like the fans didn't want heel Flair or Macho Man (btw it didn't help that heel and face Macho Man in the late 90s were the same).
Piper, once you get past some of the ranting especially the weirdness during the Halloween Havoc 96 debut, in the Hogan program was good enough where it could draw big. Once you get to him locking himself in Alcatraz and then sailing back and recruiting his own team just for them to be replaced by the Four Horsemen, all bets are off. Just like what happened with Warrior in 98, Bischoff should have done a better job at reeling him in.
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Piper as a face was fine. Piper trying to do his open mic comic routine while being overtly homophobic and constantly talking about Viagra....not so much.
There are signs during the buildup to his match against Lawler for King of the Ring 1994 that he had lost a bit off the fastball. Those pretapes, which they had to clearly edit down, were horrendous. Then, it's full on cringe as the years pass. In small doses and (more importantly) shorter segments, he was tolerable. You can tell once Nitro is about 3-4 years in, his appearances become less and less special. That crazy pop he could garner in 96 and early 97 eventually becomes a very polite "hey, it's a guy from the glory days" pop. He also loses the crowd A LOT. If you want to build an argument about wrestling needing to be scripted, look no further than that era Roddy Piper.
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4 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
Well, Dusty did bleed and have actual matches in ECW, whereas all Sid did was walk out, fist bump the crowd, and pick somebody up for the powerbomb.
For that era Sid, that might as well be a 60 minute broadway.
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1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:
I think its more (with me) that I just don't get the marking over Jimmy. The gimmick is just soooooo weird. I get that it's super enthusiastic and family friendly and wacky, but... guess you had to be there.
No, I am also somewhat of that mind. However, I have to add in the context that by the time I saw the Boogie Woogie Man, he was pretty much done on that level. At best, I caught him at the very tail end of his run. Then, after that, it was like on TV through appearances in late era Memphis when they were struggling to put a few thousand people into the Mid South Coliseum. By then, I was wondering, "why do they keeping bringing this decrepit Rip Van Winkle looking S.O.B. back?". I had no context of why he was who he was.
IMO Jimmy is one of those guys (along with other Starrcade 83 luminaries like Bugsy McGraw and Rufus R. Jones) who became obsolete once you entered a certain era of pro wrestling where even guys who were mostly personality had to display some type of "workrate". It also doesn't help that the enhancement talent once it was just a big two were guys who were insanely over qualified to be that. So even the guys losing regularly on TV would be able to put on amazing matches if you let them.
There are no guys around now where their sole responsibility is to liven up the audience to a molten hot level by putting in the least amount of effort required. The closest is Dusty's 1994 mini return in WCW and also his ECW run where guys are just running into his elbow while he just stands there.
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46 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
Vince was probably more likely to remember the name Thurman from Thurman Munson.. no wrestlers in the WWF/WWE named Catfish though
And it's probably because Heenan's friendship with Steinbrenner or Munson's death being in the news.
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28 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
WWE Vault uploaded the Table For 3 of Bret/Lawler/former wrestling dentist Isaac Yankem - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBr8xj7BKxI
Vince somehow deciding on a name "I. Yankem" for a dentist and picking "Isaac Yankem" instead "Ivan Yankem".. I mean, there's better names for extra "I yank em" puns than Isaac
Problem is WWF already had multiple Ivans whether it was someone like Putski or Koloff.
In that era, he was giving people "unique" names like Thurman and Waylon. Unless it's Thurman Thomas or Waylon Jennings, I don't recall multiple people having those first names.
Anyway, it was based on a Heenan joke so Vince probably that I. Yankem was enough.
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So why hasn't anyone pitched the wrestling version of Love Island?
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If Garvin had lasted a couple more years in WWF, we would have potentially got Garvin vs. Tenryu on like an SWS show or something.
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Why are people surprised at all when a man in Mick Foley whose forever gimmick was he couldn't get women in school cause he was strange and ugly married a goddamn super model? No only that but they got together when he was flat broke and being a human crash test dummie, and she was the breadwinner.
Some people aren't entirely shallow, thankfully.
Janela is basically lesser Mick Foley anyway, which is hilarious.
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1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:
It's what the Cowboy would have wanted him to say.
Seriously, there was something about the heyday of stereotypes in wrestling. A few weeks ago, I was watching a Mid Atlantic show from 83 with Gary Hart w/ Kabuki and The Great Dragon or whoever the hell was tagging with Kabuki. Anyway, Gary cuts maybe the longest unintentional intentional racist promo of all time and it involves the phrase, "We all know nobody ever took nothing from an Asian". And this promo was suppose to somehow (I think) make it seem like these are extremely proudful people.
How in the fuck it's still on the Peacock version of the WWE Network is beyond me, but then again, that may have just been a typical Gary Hart promo at the time. He may have offensive ones just there waiting I haven't watched yet.
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48 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
it was surprising to see Charlie Minn show up in part of that video although it's probably hard to cut him out, and the concept of someone interviewing guys as they approach the ring has some potential, even now
and yeah, a show called Action Zone being a clip show is what it is
Charlie Minn's WWF run is right smack dab in the middle when they would hire people, decided they sucked after about 3 weeks, and fire them almost immediately.
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So Action Zone....
It started off as WWE's idea to compete with the NFL on FOX morning show. So basically, they took constant shots at the NFL on FOX show and even made some (really lame and awful) skits centering around it being this dumb jock show etc. Unfortunately, WWE didn't have the hindsight that it would still be popular more than THIRTY YEARS LATER.
What they would do is usually all matches from the Wrestling Challenge episode that same week except one or two matches and whatever promos and insert the feature match from the same taping.
That format lasted for a handful of months. Also, another fortunate thing for WWE is WWE was losing syndication everywhere. Even before that Challenge was becoming irrelevant and nothing of any note happened on the show. They dropped having a "feature" match on Challenge and the last ones before they dropped them were pretty mediocre. Coming off an extremely lackluster 1994, Wrestling Challenge in 1995 was somehow more desolate. So once the NFL season was over and no longer having something to ridicule, Action Zone basically became Challenge but with the matches arranged in a different order. The only difference is when there was a PPV that day and they would cut in to show Pettengill or Doc or Jim Ross "live" on site. Other than that? Same same. The commentary was also pretty miserable. When I was doing my rewatch last year, I even noted here I didn't like the JR and Todd "I'm a little bit country. And I'm a little bit rock n roll" pairing. Commentary in general at the time was terrible. Outside of Cornette guesting on Raw every now and then and bringing up his "good friend" Pork Chop Cash which outright baffled Vince or also marking out for Rip Rogers, you didn't get that many highlights.
As a result, Action Zone in a span of six or seven months went from something to inject life into the stale nature of what WWE was putting out at the time to being the same chemicals used to perform a lethal injection execution on a death row inmate. It needed to be put out of its misery. By the time Wrestling Challenge was cancelled and that day from the taping cycle got dropped later in 1995, they had no other choice but to turn it into a clip show.
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So apparently, Rina (of H.A.T.E.) got hurt and sustained a concussion in her match against Ema Maishima taking a springboard crossbody. Rina may have been too close when Ema was about to land. When Ema made contact, the momentum carried Rina backwards such that Rina's head was trapped underneath Ema's abdomen upon impact. As a result, the back of Rina's head slammed into the mat rather violently. Barb Sasaki, who was the ref, stopped the match when he noticed Rina wasn't moving after the spot and ushered to other officials and ring seconds to get her some help so good on him.
Fortunately, it appears that Rina is fine otherwise and she even tweeted as much after the match. She may be out of action for a minute though.
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1. I had no idea Junior was living in the United States.
2. The Homeland Security twitter account appears to be ran by a really spiteful teenager.
3. Other than lending the Chavez name, which was the only thing you would be able to associate with Culiacan (specifically) and the state of Sinaloa prior to any cartel, what would JCC Jr. be doing? Shit, James Prince aka J Prince of Rap-A-Lot fame managed boxers for the part of 10 or 15 years plus here and ain't nobody trying to send him or anyone associated with him to jail. This is just bizarre.
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7 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
you think the people of West Helena, Arkansas (now West Helena-Helena, AR) knew the star power in the Flex Kavana & Miss Texas vs Punisher & Samantha match they saw
well, more on the Rock/Jacqueline side than the Bull Buchanan side
Jacqueline wouldn't have had to work so hard flashing herself on PPV if she just got a cushy spot in The Nation in mid-1998
Man, I get it...a woman like a Jackie/Miss Texas in pro wrestling in an era where most of the female talent is weighing around a buck o five stands out. Definition of a brickhouse. However, the amount of overzealous fans in the WMC5 Studios getting more than just a feel or hugging for just a tad bit too long is wild.
Just a totally different era of pro wrestling.
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3 hours ago, SovietShooter said:
I mean, he actually got such a name, Rocky Maivia.
In my 1996 rewatch, he just showed up as Flex Kavana. Rocky Maivia is trying a little too hard. Flex Kavana is just a terrible name, but again, it's the first thing he's ever done so it can be forgiven.
Also: The idea of the future biggest star across two industries wrestling in tiny Mississippi casinos and shitty high schools in middle of nowhere Arkansas is sending me.
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Win or lose, I think the Aspinall fight would have been the best note to retire on because that would have been the closest to a top HW in his prime that Jon would have fought. The Ngannou fight wasn't gonna happen so that's the next closest thing. That and somehow an unintentional ground swell of interest made it seem more important than probably actually was. If this was boxing, especially in the height of HBO/TVKO PPV or Showtime/SET PPV, that is a fight you overpay the participants because the ceiling for what could actually be made would probably make the guaranteed purses a drop in the bucket. It's a fight you have to get made. Plus, with the lack of quality opponents for Aspinall, he needs to be legitimized. He beats Jon Jones, then he is a made man and whoever beats Aspinall then becomes a made man. He loses, then no harm, no foul. He only lost to one of the three or four best MMA fighters in the history of the sport.
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As much as I can get nostalgic about the Steiners vs. Owen/Bret, most of it is just a pale imitation of what you would have seen in New Japan or All Japan at the time but sans any type of story. The execution is phenomenal, but you can tell whoever agented the match just told them to go out and do whatever until they hit their time cue to go home. The Action Zone match with the Kliq members of Shawn/Diesel vs. Kid/Razor is superior IMO.
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Poor Robocop might not get a bonus cause Do Bronx got knocked into the shadow realm and Joshua Van and Brandon Royval were getting their Gatti/Ward on.
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If you're going give someone a special bonus like UFC 300 with 300,000 dollar bonuses, you would give it to Brandon Royval and Joshua Van.
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27 minutes ago, The Natural said:
Fuck Rodrigues for the hammer first follow up when Hermansson was KTFO.
Welcome to the hurt business, baby Bubba.
It ain't Hendo-Bisping I egregious and also Herb Dean didn't exactly intervene at the right time to stop it.
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Apparently, Kevin Iole is retiring with the last show he is covering being UFC 317 tonight.
Damn, Meltzer is going to outlast all of his contemporaries.
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It is outright crazy that the Couture story popped up right after the Askren recovery story came out.