Elsalvajeloco
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9 minutes ago, zendragon said:
I was under the impression that he said something to that effect during his interview with Hewanii. I would agree in WCW too much guaranteed money had guys sitting at home and being lazy on top, I think if you said the salary floor would be connected to the companies profits then you could have the best of both worlds, not going back to Ernie Ladd trying to count the house while working a side headlock but at the same time giving everyone incentive to make the product as good as possible
I think WCW's issue was not so much guaranteed money because how many of the top guys were sitting at home. Yes, there were bizarre occasions where for whatever reasons you had folks missing Starrcade 1997 but that was pretty rare. Those type of issues came to a head when they were already losing a ton of money. I think the issue is just hiring a bunch of people who weren't going to make any dent in the bottom line. Of course, not every one is a draw. However, there were a lot of guys being used that either were past their prime, not all that good in the ring, or weren't great prospects to begin with. They could save a nice chunk of money not investing in guys who were just roster fillers. They had a ton of bad hires. I have no issue with the top guys making good money or the guys on the fringe of being top talent. You can certainly how much they probably should be making, but hey, it ain't my money. However, you don't realize how much those lower and mid tier guys are taking up a significant amount of money if you sign them by the dozen. Why are trying to lock down talent that WWF doesn't even want? Moreover, why you legitimately investing in your future? At some point, you have elevate other guys in those spots. I think one of the issues early on is when WCW got really successful is they started immediately negotiating and re-negotiating contracts. That's great on the surface but a lot of those guys would have been in the early 40s, their mid 40s, and damn near 50 years old by the time those 2nd contracts expired. They probably would have been smart to let those first deals run out and then go back to the table. Otherwise, you have no leverage when the business has dipped and feel like you need to maintain the stars you do have. Those are now bad contracts. Instead of saying, "hey we got all the big hot angles and matches out of you, time to go to Stamford and see what Vince will give you", you're at the mercy of how easy tides can turn.
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5 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
Absolutely wrestlers should be getting a percentage of everything. But when did Punk say that? Back when he first left WWE? I ask because he most recently said that guaranteed money almost killed the business and that wrestlers would work harder getting paid based on the house; they’d be hungrier. That’s quite the anti-labor about face.
It's also absolute horseshit when you actually break it down. Guaranteed money didn't kill anything. It sure as hell ain't killing the major stick and ball sports in the United States.
You're not working the Cincinnati Gardens on a Tuesday or Wednesday and then doing Louisville Gardens the next night and surviving solely off touring. The vast revenue streams companies have access to subsidize everything and create more opportunities. Also work harder, how? I thought the complaint was these guys need to just slow down. Now they're not doing enough? I would like to see his rationale behind that. I mean I heard Cornette say something to that effect maybe when AEW first came about years ago now, but literally none of it made sense unless you're living in 1986 and don't intend to mentally leave the 1980s anytime soon.
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5 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
Putski and Christopher were both guys that even as a kid I knew were awful nepotism hires. Putski might've been even worse than the idiotic antics of Lawler. That was a situation of young me saying "this guy can't do ANYTHING."
Putski was okay, but the lack of charisma was always gonna hurt him. Even getting on the gas didn't do much for his career. Didn't help that his leg exploded live on PPV. Brian Christopher/Lawler was pretty good worker. His personal demons though and lack of self awareness was always going to be his undoing. Also, the whole Jim Ross chiding and ridiculing Jerry on commentary about Brian's paternity. It was strange cause how is he going to get out of his old man's shadow if you keeping doing that? It took a goofy comedy gimmick to turn his fortunes around.
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Naoya Inoue got the job done again. Surprise, surprise.
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32 minutes ago, WebConn89 said:
I found this match today. Never knew it existed but it does. Fathers & Son vs Father & Son
That match felt very out of place especially since that was when WWF was transitioning to a different era. That whole buildup felt like something that would have taken place on Raw 3 or 4 years earlier.
Either Ivan called in a favor to give his son the rub or being in San Antonio made WWF want to do something different to appeal to the folks who might still remember Ivan Putski. Either way, it was very odd.
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3 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:
I, personally, wish for an all expenses paid trip to Tahiti and a brand new Porsche 911.
How about a trip to Titusville, Florida and an Astrovan that may have doubled as a makeshift meth lab?
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I don't think the guys would be that excited about Sherri joining. If the Four Horseman didn't have Debra AND Woman, that would have been her spot. However, yeah, it was Harlem Heat or bust.
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16 minutes ago, Ramo2653 said:
Yeah, Seth is dressed for a Derby party (I went to one this weekend and Seth would have fit right in). Becky's outfit would be a better fit if it wasn't metallic but I know that's her thing. I know they use the same stylist so I wonder what he was thinking.
"I plan on dressing like someone's coke connect who got an early release."
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3 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:
He did a lot of construction jobs but nobody ever said he was GOOD at them haha
Sherri did want to get her back fixed but they said she didn't have the money for the operation. I doubt she would have looked a gift horse in the mouth. Really I don't care how much rope they gave her, they didn't have to fire her. It was inhumane under the circumstances, and look what happened.
I mean they kinda did. And she died ten years later, not the next day. Now folks like Spicolli, who was a notorious drug guy and died while under WCW employ, I can see that gripe. However, there are stories about Spicolli prior to WCW.
Sherri was on drugs in WWF and got fired. I already mentioned Luna's last match on TV being a disaster cause she was likely under the influence. She got fired not too long after that after already being suspended. It's really hard to begrudge the employers especially when they don't have the hindsight that we have now. She got warned about it, and then she got fired when she showed up again at TV not able to perform. That's how that usually goes. And I think the back thing was later on when Sherri had not been working in wrestling for awhile. That's more of an argument for a pension fund for wrestlers cause countless folks need surgery years after being in the business.
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We're talking about Sherri right? I just caught up on the series so I apologize if I am out of the loop.
I don't really necessarily fault Eric for letting Sherri go. I have documented this several times on the board. Go back and watch some of those Sherri appearance especially the months right before she is let go. She is basically zombified standing behind Harlem Heat. She is doing the "act like everything is okay while you are clearly in no shape to perform" stilted walk to the ring. It is depressing in hindsight. She had outlived her usefulness to the act especially in that condition.
I get what Madusa is saying in terms of the implied sexism at play, but Eric let it go on for months before she had to go. And it was likely going on for several months before that if Cornette's story is true, and Jim has no reason to lie about that.
WCW was never the we will pay for rehab place or even ask you to go to rehab. Judging by Sherri's life, rehab probably wasn't her thing.
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I dunno if the Derby (or any of the Triple Crown races) is where people go to dress crazy. Yes, the big hats are a thing. However, usually it's nothing that looks wild for attending horse racing.
Now the Met Gala especially since they have different theme every year, that seems like it's right up Seth's alley. It's for folks who believe themselves to be fashion mavens, but also may have escaped the local insane asylum.
If it didn't happen on a Monday every year and the WWE folks were slightly bigger celebs, that would be some pub that the WWE usually doesn't get.
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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:
And of course HHH snidely quipping to the person asking about Gulak, who mentioned Sapp and another site as sources, “you need to find better sources” or something like that. Like the post Vince comments, it seems like every damn time this goof speaks on something official, he just steps on his dick, either by being tone deaf or by being a petty bitch. At what point does TKO realize he’s just a meathead in a suit?
Not to bring this back, but I love the indirect Ospreay shot coming from the entity that went all in on Gable Steveson.
But yeah, Paul Levesque is Paul Levesque and this isn't what he's initially trained in. Could someone become better suited at this especially over time? Sure, but one of people's first defense mechanisms is "well, he's just working the marks" like it's 1997 and everyone is still insulated in the wrestling bubble. As said as much weeks ago when this was a hot button issue, the sooner he comes out of that, the better he will be at his job. If he doesn't, that is what we have to look forward to.
Overall, maybe it's a Dana White (another person who wasn't someone who came from a corporate environment) thing where he's only there to act as a middle man and to make folks feel like that the corporate overlords haven't fully taken over the field. The only difference is Dana has been with the UFC long enough where his vision has been fully realized twice over, and Mick Maynard and Sean Shelby can do their jobs without him. Do people at TKO feel like Paul is just so integral that he cannot be replaced with someone just as knowledgeable and with similar expertise?
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1 hour ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:
I actually have a theory as to why walking out of the ring didn't happen, and it's completely a "dumb wrestler brain" situation (meaning I think this is absolutely nonsensical logic, but I fully believe a wrestler would think it makes a ton of sense)... it was a title match, titles switch in Stardom on a countout, so walking out means Act becomes the champ.
See? Dumb.
The other great option would have been to just lay on Act until either she settled down and started cooperating or she gave up, but that goofball Kyohei Wada probably would've stood them back up and started the punches all over again.
Either way, everyone sucked in this situation (except for Kyoko Kimura, who threw in the towel, and Ruby Soho, who at least tried to get Act calmed down).
And that's why Mike Rotundo deserves flowers for how he handled the one guy who tried to probably legit kill him (and post match, followed him out of the ring). He could have legit fucked that guy up, but he was just sound of mind enough to where he can clearly control that situation and just tie him up enough to get it over and done. There was no Perry Saturn overreaction where it escalates to "let me try to kill you now." And Rotundo could have done that. However, he didn't. More impressively, that was a time when folks would clearly go overboard with enhancement talent and no one would feel bad.
IMO, in that situation (Yoshiko/Act), there was clearly something going on behind the scenes that got it to a boil cause 99% of scuffles in pro wrestling are just that: scuffles. They go at it for a minute, but ultimately no one gets hurt or seriously hurt. Or something like an eight woman tag between AJW and LLPW in 1999 (from the same show as the Zap T and Eagle Sawai bloodbath) where everyone just no sells, stands there looking pissed, and don't really cooperate and it's just an absolute mess full of awkward moments and botches (namely Toyota trying to JOCS Kuzama three straight times and failing, and Toyota/whatever still active Jumping Bomb Angel having a super tense staredown after a piledriver no sell). There is a lot of stuff between THAT and let me try to break your face. There is unprofessional and then being unprofessional and heinous. I get self-defense (and I think most people here understand self defense), but I think we also get degrees of cause and effect.
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Just now, odessasteps said:
It worked for Lex.
That was the primary example I was thinking of.
There are other examples, but that's always going to be THE example.
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14 hours ago, Mr. Monday Morning said:
Stardom Fukuoka spoilers
FWC become 3 time Goddess champs. 02line challenged for Korakuen.
Little early for Crazy Star to drop IMO but either result was honestly fine. I'm trying to get out of the mindset of thinking what this means for contracts & the like because who the fuck knows at this point, just try to enjoy it for what it is.
ExV retained the Artists over Stars, Cozuen continue to struggle against OT. SLK will not win again until she embraces the colour change (probably)
I saw a clip where Hazuki come up a bit short on tope suicida. Looks like it just looked bad the way it was shot, and she wasn't actually hurt. Now I know why there are 10 other wrestlers around the ring.
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27 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:
People also forget the following things about the Yoshiko situation:
- Act Yasukawa threw shoot punches first, and there were multiple punches thrown before Yoshiko responded
- They were actually broken up before Kyohei Wada decided to let the match continue, even though Act's face was clearly busted up
- When they tried to get back to a normal match, Act again started throwing shoot punches first and Yoshiko retaliated
- Kyohei Wada continued to do nothing to stop it until Kyoko Kimura finally threw in the towel for Act, who screamed that she wanted to keep going and had to be physically dragged away from the ringYoshiko beating Act so severely was obviously wrong, but I don't know what Yoshiko was supposed to do there aside from take more punches to the face and not defend herself, even if those punches weren't doing a thing to her.
People also keep claiming that Act has been retired forever because of this, but Act's still wrestling today (albeit for Actwresgirlz).
Like yeah. Yoshiko should've tried to do more to control the situation. She was clearly much more skilled at throwing legitimate punches. But at the same time, there were multiple chances for others to step in and try to deescalate the situation - or also, get Act to stop trying to throw legitimate punches - and people didn't do anything.
A true "everyone sucks here" case if there ever was one.
There is always the leave the ring option, which has been explored more than once in wrestling. If someone doesn't want to cooperate, that option is always on the table.
I am not saying you necessarily need to get blackballed from wrestling, but after that, you probably cannot come back.
Moreover, there is clearly an underlying issue that caused that as that is not something you have seen before or since. Maybe you can put the Jackie Sato/Shinobu Kandori incident up there since you got to be pretty ballsy to shoot on your boss (a goddamn legend at that) and intentionally try to injure them on top of that. That was also a case of someone (Kandori) who legit knew what they were doing in terms of adequately defending themselves and also going way too far. However, as we saw years later when the original JWP split, that was clearly something politically motivating that and not just a case of a regular pro wrestling receipt.
Here with Gulak, I am not sure what to make of all of this just happening under the noses of folks who been in the business longer than he has been alive. I cannot buy that stretch.
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1 minute ago, Eivion said:
This goes under the assumption they were aware. Supposedly Michaels chewed him out for one incident, but the post implies most were not reported because Gulak would intimidate his victims.
So wait...they weren't aware but (1) one or more people kept a running tally of his offenses and (2) they weren't paying close attention to his matches when we all know folks are in the Gorilla position attentively watching matches. Dude, Shawn Michaels is the same guy who lost his shit when guys like Vader would get too rough. But he doesn't know when someone is intentionally trying to hurt someone? ...Alright. Then talent knew but the people in charge of supervising said talent didn't. Alright then. That wasn't secretive bullying. This was supposedly happening during matches. Also, we're saying that he was "bullying" people. Did Gulak say he was out here bullying people? Or is that someone intepreting that as what he was doing? When did Drew Gulak become Rick Steiner or JBL?
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Re: the WrestlePurists tweet
This seems very much like left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. That or someone is embellishing a little bit since he is already on his way out.
Cause the waistband thing is already enough to get you out of the paint. The other allegations are extremely serious as well. So was he not punished each incident? He was just allowed to get back in there as if nothing happened? A reprimand is one thing. Each someone is doing it repeatedly, then there has to be a system in place. People are bringing up Sexy Star and Yoshiko, but AFAIK, those two only did it once with the latter being extremely egregious. If WWE is so on the ball and has all their ducks in a row, then why was this allowed to just happen? That is on top of the Rousey story, which is its own fireable offense. So with that in mind, how do we end up with, "well, his contract wasn't renewed." Let me get this right. A person under your employ was doing all that (allegedly), BUT you were waiting for his contract to run out? What in the entire fuck?
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Aldo shouldn't be that good with all the mileage on his body, but he is.
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Anthony Smith: Keeper of ALL Gates.
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Michel Pereira is a ridiculous person.
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16 minutes ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:
Hey! We have big events..... sometimes. Maybe. I mean, RAW is coming. And we got that one episode of Collision.
I'm just being stupid. I get your point. It does kind of seem like they want to cut into the fly in crowd for DON though. It'll be interesting to see what happens next year.
I think what has had bigger effect on the fly in/tourist crowd period for AEW is the fact they're running more PPVs. It's no longer a novelty especially when there still touring around the country and going to more markets. Plus, I think that's had a more hurtful effect on their overall live attendance. You no longer feel the need to fly across the country when eventually whatever amount of fans that live in your region will get the same quality of wrestling when they come there. You're essentially creating a smaller pool of people who want to see your show.
That said, WrestleMania several weeks earlier isn't going to discourage a person who was likely going to be attracted to whatever the hell AEW was going to put on either way. We're a year away and we don't know the card any of those three nights. At best (on the WWE side of the ledger), just some rumored bouts that may or may not get changed.
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4 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:
i'd think that being owned by the same group that owns UFC might have been a big factor in putting Wrestlemania in the same city that has run a bunch of UFC cards
I think it may be the fact that they were suppose to get a WWE card before the sale, but it was too mid level for a venue of that size and it got switched to the MGM Grand. That stadium was always in the running when it opened up. Minneapolis will probably get one eventually as it is a relatively new venue as well. Gotta have the "record" attendance in every stadium.
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8 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
I just think it's silly to think people are gonna want to conserve their money in Vegas of all places
The amount of pro wrestling fan debauchery over that weekend is going to be disgusting. More than usual levels if you can somehow believe it.
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May 2024 Wrestling Talk
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Lanny had his deal just based on an agreement with Randy, and supposedly, Lanny's money came out of Randy's money. So Randy was essentially funding his brother to sit at home.