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4 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
the Ultimate Survivor Series match would have been more interesting in 1989 than 1990. Dusty/Brutus/Hogan/Warrior vs. Savage/Earthquake/Bravo/Perfect.
Somewhere Earthquake and Dusty get counted out. Warrior and Bravo get a double DQ. Perfect was still undefeated so it probably comes down to Hogan/Beefcake vs. Savage/Perfect. Zeus comes out, ruins everything and we get some weird beta-SS91 bullshit where everyone gets DQ'd except Mr Perfect. Keeping his perfect record intact.
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2 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said:
In hindsight, it's a strange call that they didn't have him go over here. DiBiase didn't need the rub. They knew they wanted to go all the way with Bret, they already had him do the so close but so far ending with Savage the year prior.
I think they were testing things. He was still seen as a tag guy (Harts were champs at the time.) The crowd totally bought Bret though, and as a PWI Weekly dorkboy at the time, Bret was booked in more singles matches after this and almost never lost.
Bret/Savage was two years prior. But Bret had a GREAT match with DiBiase on a 1990 PTW too which made this even more exciting.
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21 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said:
Has a PPV achieved more in terms of getting as many things over at once as Survivor Series 89 did?
- Opening match, you set up Bad News getting a massive pop for walking out on his team again. Boss Man comes off as a huge monster heel, holding his own in a 3 on 1 situation, before falling to Dusty Rhodes, before beating down him and Beefcake after the match. Beefcake getting two wins against Martel and Honky to build him up for the tag cage match with Zeus.
- Kings Court vs The 4x4s is almost a prototype for the Rhodes vs Dibiase teams match at Survivor Series a year later with Savage instead of Dibiase, Earthquake instead of Taker and Duggan instead of Dusty. Earthquake just fucks everyone up. Tag guy Bret hangs with the top heel in the company in Savage. Duggan again tries to overcome the odds of 3 on 1 and goes down without ever being pinned, and then....yeah the same finish before of him getting his heat back with the 2x4 after the match.
- Hogan's team vs Dibiase's team - weird one with the Powers of Pain getting 2 consecutive pinfalls on the champs. Demolition, only for Demolition to drop the straps to Andre/Haku a month later instead. Zeus looks unbeatable here before getting DQ'd. DiBiase gets a shitty looking pinfall on Jake, and then looks good in going down to Hulk cleanly.
- Rude's Brood vs Rowdy's Roddies - Perfect and Rude come back from 4-2 down to fuck everyone up here. Rude gets established as a big deal with his feud with Roddy. Perfect remains undefeated and gets 3 pins. Snuka continues to be portrayed as a major deal on his return here after a strong showing against Dibiase at Summerslam.
- Warrior gets the rub of closing the show for the first time. Runs through Andre. Haku gets a big run through the Rockers/Anvil. Arn gets a strong showing for a guy that's out the door too.
All in all, maybe 16 guys look better off than before the show started. That's a pretty good outcome, and I can't think of a show that did better?
Survivor Series 89 was a WEIRD show...
Hogan and Jake Roberts were suddenly BFFs for no particular reason even though Hogan and Beefcake had been teaming for months prior (and reformed as soon as the show ended.)
The Powers of Pain pin Demolition. Which leads to nothing. And the team splits up months later.
Piper and Snuka were on a team and WWF was notorious for pretending the past never happened but even with this they had to acknowledge their feud five years prior.
And Warrior ends the show main eventing against a guy who loses immediately because he can't go more than sixty seconds and a manager replacing someone else (Tully) who had been fired.
And it was the first 4 on 4 show, so there was already on odd vibe going. 5 on 5 was the standard.
I'd argue Bret Hart got more over losing at Survivor Series 90 than all of your examples combined though.
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11 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:
You've forgotten the Blood Runs Cold angle in WCW with Mortis, Glacier, and Wrath.
Glacier was literally Sub-Zero. And that's why they don't do those angles. Because they fucking sucked. And people who pitch Mortal Kombat angles don't realize, they DID. And they failed miserably. The problem too is, Glacier beats Wrath and Mortiis...then what? Mortis feuds with Hacksaw Jim Duggan? The heels are done.
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10 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:
I suddenly really want a Pro Wrestling Illustrated T-shirt. Apparently PWI forgot how to make the original design, because the options on their site are horrible. Just make the goddamn original shirt. And put up the 80s issues...I'd pay for that too.
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3 minutes ago, AxB said:
Apparently for the Otis & Mandy 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High' video for last week's Smackdown, WWE was wondering who they knew in Florida that had a pool they could film at. So they phoned up Matt Cardona and asked if they could borrow his.
He said no. Was quite insulted to be asked, strangely enough.
It is bullshit, but he should have countered with a year's salary. And demanded it in advance.
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I know NXT is the lame brand and all, I got a little emotional when HHH rehired Rockstar Spud. Motherfucker earned it, angle or no angle.
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5 hours ago, Wyld Samurai said:
Was there any particular reason why Lawler never bothered to have a run in the NWA?
Pretty sure Lawler was promised an NWA title run in 1985 too. He had a whole "if I don't win the championship, I retire" angle going. And then it was dropped. And then he ended up losing a "loser leaves town" match anyway that killed business.
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8 minutes ago, Edwin said:
In fairness, Mongo destroys himself at his best or worst.
Oh come on, there's a reason almost every 80s Midnight Express jobber match had Mike Jackson as an opponent. And any one of those were better than any Steve McMichael match.
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3 hours ago, odessasteps said:
If Mike Jackson can still work on TV in 2020 ...
In fairness, Mike Jackson at his worst destroys Mongo at his best.
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8 hours ago, Shane said:
Pat Tanaka and Ubas/El Puerto Ricano were the first two names not already mentioned that popped onto my head.
Man...Tanaka would throw himself into the most routine looking back bump, just to make every move look that much more devastating.
Ah, my excuse to post my favorite random Superstars match from the 90s...1-2-3 Kid vs. Pat Tanaka. I'm almost positive this is the first time in WWF that someone took a sunset-flip-powerbomb to the floor.
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On 5/29/2020 at 11:38 AM, The Natural said:
Man I enjoyed Ricky Steamboat's 2009 three match comeback at WrestleMania XXV, the RAW after it and Backlash 2009. The Dragon is in my top ten GOAT.
Ricky Steamboat getting the proper retirement could have been one of the greatest honors WWE had ever done. But of course Vince had to have the Nexus send him to the hospital legit and almost kill him. And that's how he goes out.
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On 5/19/2020 at 10:57 PM, The Idiot King said:
What would people say are the BEST Konnan matches? Because I understand his popularity in the abstract, but I'd love to be pointed to either a really great match of his or at least a match that shows how over he was at his peak. I more or less only know him from nWo-era WCW onward and I don't remember being exactly blown away by anything of his that didn't involve Disco Inferno dancing in front of it.
Not the answer you are looking for but the most memorable Konnan match in WCW was Rick Steiner vs. Konnan on the second to last Nitro. Either Konnan was selling well or Rick really was beating the shit out of him. And Rick MURDERED Lash LeRoux a few weeks prior, so I'm guessing the latter.
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1 hour ago, Vgmastr said:
Power and Glory should have been in the Nasty Boys spot at Mania VII going over the Harts for the tag titles. No idea why they got squashed by the LOD in 30 seconds and then broken up following Summerslam.
Power and Glory were a SUPER underrated tag team and would be better remembered if they lasted more than a year. Hercules was dead in the water and Roma's 15 minutes with Powers was long gone. But they clicked and had a bad-ass finisher. And then they got to squash The Rockers at SummerSlam '90 and they were made. Until Gorilla started this dumbass "He wants to be called "Romeo" Roma" shit.
This is speculation but I would assume when the Rockers beat the Harts for the tag titles, it would have been a transition to Power and Glory, making the WM7 LOD match for the titles. Interesting Roma is now blaming Hercules, because ROMA has said for years that he was the one who was injured and just wanted to get it over with.
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Superstars of Wrestling requires too much blurring over losing a copyright over the phrase "Superstars of Wrestling." And those banners are everywhere. They posted a few shows in the 24/7 days but they clearly don't feel it is worth the effort. Primetime is why you only get a handful.
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3 hours ago, ka-to said:
WW(W)F turned to garbage as soon as Lou Albano turned babyface.
I'll defend the Albano face turn because my all-time favorite tag team The British Bulldogs would NEVER have won the titles or gotten that push they did if Lou wasn't their mouthpiece. His "manager of tag champions" MADE them to the fans who watched because it was a fad and didn't know better.
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8 hours ago, Ziggy said:
I don't know why I dont remember this, I was watching at the time. I didn't get the PPV. I remember JBL was feuding with Shawn and somehow Shawn was working for him, I dont remember Jericho feuding with JBL.
Because JBL was so overpushed and forgettable, the only feuds and matches that he had that anyone remembers were the Eddie and Cena ones. And that's only because both men almost bled to death trying to get him over. The Cena match isn't even talked about all that much. And that was Cena's Muta scale moment.
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I've watched this three times. I keep going back to the clip. Which I never knew about until now. Fucking disgusting. Owen died because Vince wanted to save some money. And I'm not going to single out one person, this shit was obviously dangerous, and NO ONE said, at least enough to matter, this is dangerous. And then they hire someone who doesn't know what they are doing. And apparently doesn't care.
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3 hours ago, Log said:
It’s funny looking back to the late-90’s when being Canadian was a heel trait. That’s it. Canadian =heel.
In fairness, it wasn't like someone said "I'm from Canada" and everybody started throwing batteries at them. It was more of a "The USA is a terrible place, you people are horrible. Thankfully I'm from Canada, where good people live." It's the CM Punk "I'm Straight Edge, so I'm better than you."
Never even realized until now that Bret's heel turn speech "I love my fans all around the world...but the US can kiss my ass" was the catalyst for all of that.
That or Frenchy Martin's "USA is NOT OK" sign... One of those...
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12 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
I don't even think Jim went into great of detail on the podcast with Conrad specifically detailing what happened that night. Maybe it's that in combination with the Lawler clip (which I hope to never see again) when he returns to the commentary desk, but seeing that and hearing the countdown brought it all home.
How disgusting is pro wrestling that Jerry Lawler's reaction to seeing a fellow wrestler die on air actually kinda pales in comparison to the fact that LAWLER actually DIED ON AIR years later during RAW? THAT's a Dark Side we'll never see.
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I was at a PPV watch party. We were all in shock. We kept hoping for something positive. I think that the show kept going because they were hoping for the best. That's me at my most optimist. But after Ross announced he had died, the room became silent. And the show kept going. And I'll never forget my friend's wife (who hated wrestling) finally saying what we were all thinking during the main event: "Why this is shit still going on?"
WWF can all go fuck themselves telling Jim Ross that Owen had died and to now tell us that. Jim Ross is literally Howard Finkel. The greatest man at his job and he was still treated like a piece of shit.
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7 minutes ago, hammerva said:
Wait Owen's blood was still on the canvas from the fall during the rest of Over the Edge? And the ring was technically broken as well ?
If you didn't watch the PPV live that night, you'll never know how fucked up the rest of the show was. Yes, Owen's blood was on the canvas the rest of the show. And they later FUCKING aired a pre-tape later showing Vince getting STRETCHERED OUT AND PUT INTO A FUCKING AMBULANCE. Because God forbid a death interfere with the storylines...
I lost it when Martha said "And the doctor said...." and it took her almost a full minute to finish her thought.
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I'm shocked Fred was 86. That puts him in his late 50's-60s during most of his mockumentary days and I would have pegged him at least a decade younger.
Watching Best in Show now and he damn sure steals the movie. I seem to remember there actually being Oscar talk about it.
"Wot Hoppen?" is always my random inside joke I make to people to see if they get it...
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15 minutes ago, AxB said:
In terms of hour long (or longer) matches I've watched, Bret vs Shawn at Mania 12 is probably the worst one I've ever seen. And I have watched Joey Janela go 60 (and Dave Crist go 104) quite recently. Most people I know who put Mania 12 over as an all-time great match haven't watched many (or any) other super long matches and lack perspective. Mania 12 was fucking boring. I mean, compare it to other WWE hour matches, like Hunter vs Rock or Angle vs Lesnar, and it's just dull. Bret's usually a good storyteller in his matches, but this is just a series of meaningless moves that lead to nothing. It's a spotfest without the spots.
The match going 0-0 the whole time is why it is terrible. It was a good match watching it live because you didn't know. There's no reason to ever watch it now. You can literally just skip to the end and miss nothing (aside from the superkick on the floor.)
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JUNE 2020 WRESTLING DISCUSSION
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
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Sorry, you're right. In fairness, that SNME was a GREAT match...