TheVileOne
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5 minutes ago, ExcellenceofAirPollution said:
I watched the Bucks/footage/FTR promo, haven't seen anything else
Is it weird that I don't have strong feelings about it one way or the other? Tony had the right to clap back at Punk, I didn't have a problem with that aspect of it. And it's like people forget what a wrestling war used to be like. WWE spent Mania week taking multiple shots at AEW. I don't want a return of the late 90's, but it's not like Heyman or Bischoff or Vince wouldn't have used footage like this at some point. It's generally not what I want to see either, but some people are getting way too worked up about this whole thing.
Personally all of the Punk stuff is just surreal to me at this point. He's been an absolute chaos agent for AEW while in WWE he's seemingly a model employee. I went from being a huge fan of the guy for like 20 years, excited for his return in 2021 and that initial run, to absolutely souring on him as a person when he did the post All Out presser. He lost me as a fan that night before the brawl even happened. I was pretty meh to his second AEW run, and at this point I'm just seeing all this happen from a place of detachment. I can be objective and say Punk did a good job at WM because he did. But the worst thing you can do to a carny is just walk away and that's what I did with Punk. It's why I try to avoid posting about him anymore for the most part, I've said my piece and don't really have anything to add to it.
Anyway, seems like people here really hated it. I didn't, and it was about what I expected (presentation wise). I wasn't that interested in another Bucks/FTR match at this point and they used this to put heat on that. I'm more interested now, mission accomplished. I liked the Bucks using this as an excuse for their loss at All In, thought their material and delivery was good. Nick especially was good here. I can see the opinion that it should have been more over the top and played for comedy, I wouldn't have hated that either. All in all I thought it was fine for what it was.
The footage was also about what I expected. Punk got in Jack's face, they talk for a while, Punk shoves him, headlocks him, it gets broken up. That's been the story all along. I feel like everyone who's been paying attention to both Brawl Out and "Brawl" In already knew that Punk was the aggressor in both instances, and the people who are going to shit on AEW/Bucks/Omega no matter what, and defend Punk no matter what.....this isn't changing anyone's mind
My hope though is that now that they've gotten it out of their system they seriously move on. Anything Punk related should be dead and buried at this point (I say knowing it won't be). Bucks/FTR has enough history and the title on the line that it shouldn't need heat from someone who isn't there. If they keep this shit lingering what the fuck are they even doing? If they start getting CM Punk chants it's their own fault
I respect your view on this, but if AEW can't move on from this over eight months later, how are they ever going to be able to move on at all?
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I believe AEW firing CM Punk was the correct decision. He clearly didn't want to be there, and his presence backstage was a problem. And frankly, I think Tony Khan announcing his termination and doing it live in front of the fans in Chicago right before All Out was also a gutsy move. He went in front of a hostile pro-Punk crowd and laid the whole thing out, and I think that was the best way to address it at the time. Otherwise, the fans could've hijacked and ruined the whole show. Khan addressing it right then basically nipped it in the bud and let the fans get out all their aggression and disappointment about Punk right then.
That should've been the end of it.
Wrestling fans being what they are are never going to let this go. This is going to continue being a story 25 years from now just like the Montreal Screwjob. You will have this side going with this side, this side going with that side. However, AEW dredging this up again when almost everyone wants to move on did not help. Tony Khan is clearly taking Punk going back to WWE personally. He's taking that Helwani interview personally and it shows. Khan letting everyone know he's shaken by all this and letting it affect his product is a waste of time.
AEW used to be the shiny new toy and internet darling. That period is over, and Tony Khan can't stand it.
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4 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
Seth? That toadie isn't saying anything that may displease The Massssssssssster. And do either of those have guys have connections to Ospreay?
You want to feel old, start a job where the 17 year-old kids working with more responsibility than you still can't handle alcohol purchased by supermarket customers.
Re: the chickenhawk thing, Edge was probably thinking of this guy
Seth Rollins and Will Ospreay infamously had an online Twitter feud about five years ago. Seth Rollins tried to dismiss Ospreay by calling him "Little Guy." Baron Corbin also got involved.
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1 hour ago, Just Dave said:
I hate when people overreact to stuff the young bucks are involved in…
They weren't even involved in this. That's how stupid all of this is.
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1 hour ago, John E. Dynamite said:
It's bad enough to have to tolerate iffy TV, but having to navigate a sea of scorching hot weirdo takes that insist on elevating "that sucked" to "(whatever the fuck this is)" makes everything so, so much worse.
Certainly one way to deflect from this situation.
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What AEW did tonight was pathetic, petty, nonsense. Trying to tie it into Young Bucks versus FTR was moronic. It served no one and it helped no one. Tony Khan proved Punk right by airing that footage. He’s a spineless clown.
What did AEW gain in any way by airing that? They won’t even book Jack Perry on TV anymore. This was a disgrace. There is no coming back from this ever.
Embarrassing trash.
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One thing is I don't care for plucky babyface Jade. I think she needs to be baddie Jade just in WWE. And if she can just get her spots in and crush a bunch of women like cans, I think that can work. The key will be once she gets in there with a top-level women if they can have a believable match for the WWE audience on a PLE.
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1 hour ago, Godfrey said:
Stoked for the footage. The graphic with the Bucks and no Punk/Perry reference does appear troll like, Meltzer is saying it's legit but won't show the part with Tony and I can't imagine they would air anything unless it directly contradicts what Punk said in the interview (or at least discredits the rest of his story). Not sure what the Bucks could add, by all accounts they weren't present
And if it's not legit? That's a huge swing and you gotta respect it but it could really back up on them
Even *IF* it's real, and even *IF* it does contradict Punk's comments, it's still low-class Springer show garbage. Utter pathetic nonsense.
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14 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
TK just needs to find his Joey Styles who can relay certain messages. Sorry Excalibur and Schiavone, you two might have too much credibility for this role.
Tony Schiavone who voiced on his own podcast that he's sick of this and wants to move on and doesn't want to talk about it. I doubt he likes how this is going right now.
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16 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said:
Said the same of Punk: none of these people have been saying enough in public and it’s refreshing and demystifying to hear them do so. Waive the NDAs for All Out and let everyone put their cards on the table. People will move on. It’s fine.
There's no moving on from this. Ever. And that's not how NDAs work.
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1 hour ago, Kevin Wilson said:
I hope its real footage with The Bucks doing in-character commentary over it. Apparently there is no NDA at all related to the incident so nothing Punk can do about it, as long as they don't so severely edit it that they show the events too far out of context. I'm sure AEW's lawyers have that part covered. Petty TK is the best, and anyone saying he "shouldn't do this" after what Punk said last week is no fun at all.
He had reporters asking him about this before and it’s always, “Sorry I can’t talk about it.” He’s spineless.
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3 minutes ago, Octopus said:
There is no valor in this carny world.
if this is a twist bit it will backfire terribly.
So business as usual for AEW.
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It’s clearly a heel troll job by Young Bucks. Look at the graphic. It says nothing of Punk and Perry.
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I think the lack of a hot wired crowd hurt tonight’s show a lot.
Also Roman clarified at the press conference that his leukemia is still in remission but his oral chemotherapy is something he will be taking for the rest of his life for treatment. And he’s still able to wrestle through it.
Frankly I never had a problem with Roman’s part time schedule and I liked it when the belt was unified. We never needed two world titles or separate rosters. The draft is useless anyway.
also you could see the refs blatantly holding the ladders tonight for high spots. Something WWE sycophants ruthlessly whined about happening in AEW.
bitching aside I’m happy Grayson Waller won a title. I hope this can elevate him to some degree. I think he’s underrated and one of the best heels on SmackDown. Jury is still out on Austin Theory. Basically everything Cena said about him has been proven true. He’s a couple steps away from being another Bo Dallas or Curtis Axel. The selfie gimmick was okay for him but he didn’t evolve after that. My hope is this can turn them into a Miz/Morrison duo.
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1 minute ago, matwarz said:
Man was that Uso match the shits. Seriously one of the worst matches I’ve seen in years. Based on storyline and the brains trust in the back, absolutely no excuse for something so piss poor.
For a match that was supposed to be their dream match, they didn't have much of a plan here. Like this was the match they campaigned for and wanted for years. This is the match they stupidly broke up the team for and having Jimmy turn on Jey for absolutely no reason when he was the one who wanted out of the Bloodline in the first place. Bad booking. Bad creative. Bad storytelling. Shitty match.
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Freezing cold weather or not, the crowd tonight was terrible and they did not show up. The entrance stage was also weak sauce and nowhere near as good as WrestleMania 39.
The ladder match was trash and an overdone spotfest. The match to make was Judgment Day vs. R-Truth. Damian Priest being a Money in the Bank holder feels like a total after-thought at this point. He hasn't been built up or groomed at all. Match felt like a convoluted way to split up the titles because it was for the UNDISPUTED TAG TEAM TITLES. I mean why would Waller and Theory even try to stay in the match after winning one set of titles? They should've tried to peace out because that's the chicken shit heel thing to do.
The Mysterio tag team match felt relatively pointless and all done as a way to get Kelce make an appearance on the show. I just feel like one year later they haven't progressed from Dominik vs. Rey at all. Escobar's been screwed over in this feud with Rey for months. The heels desperately needed to win here. They still could've had the NFL dudes come in to help after the match.
Sami vs. Gunther thankfully salvaged most of this show. I still think this was not Sami's match to win. It felt like a waste of ending Gunther's title reign. People were emotionally behind Gable and wanted him to get this and that could've cemented his career and made him a made man. That's why people turned on Sami winning this on social media. They wanted Gable to get his moment. Nonetheless, it was a great match and the best match of the night. I did enjoy Sami doing his turnbuckle brainbuster since I was never expecting him to do that in WWE. A good finishing sequence.
The main event was what it was. Clearly going half-speed to protect The Rock. I do think the match went on way too long. Felt like it needed to be about 25-30 minutes tops. I loved The Rock's entrance and him coming out with that garish stupid looking Brahma Bull belt. It felt perfectly in character. I think Rock and Reigns winning was right and stacks the deck in front of underdog Cody for the rematch tomorrow.
The crowd was clearly just not in the mood for like this deliberately plodding three-hour plus main event. I was fine with it because it ultimately did what it needed to do, but it was overly long and not quite fun to watch.
But yeah, clearly need to rethink open-air stadiums at certain times of the year. Better luck next time Philly. Will Minneapolis this time of the year be just as cold?
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18 hours ago, The Natural said:
WrestleMania XL set reveal:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=udx4INl2g0o
Immediate reaction is that I'm underwhelmed. Last year's was way better. Best WrestleMania stages:
5. XXIX.
4. X.
3. XXX.
2. X-Seven.
1. XXIV.
I don't see the 39 set on this list for some reason.
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53 minutes ago, Raziel said:
There's a reason why you're not supposed to say WHY you let someone go publicly.
I imagine Megha is having quite an afternoon.
Didn't she step back from AEW?
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Tony Khan feels gotten to right now. And he can't seem to handle Triple H being in charge of WWE. He talks a big game on social media, but when it comes time to talk to reporters, it's all "I'd prefer not to talk about it. I can't say anything about that."
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Copeland's rah-rah, I love wrestling and AEW speech didn't really work that well. He was taking a lot of breaks for the crowd to react but it sounded like there were only 10 people in the crowd, and the reactions weren't that big.
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16 minutes ago, Just Dave said:
Nah. Don't help your competition make their team better. BPJ didn't renew his deal. He wasn't let go early. Don't make it easy for Hunter. Just do a better job keeping some of the (alleged) malcontents in your tv rotation.
I've seen no evidence of a drive to do so by Tony Khan or the AEW brass, so let 'em go especially if they want to leave.
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20 minutes ago, Just Dave said:
The only reason BPJ is getting this treatment is to show less established AEW performers that they’ll be given a look in nXt. That dude is as mid as mid gets.
So in other words, it does make sense to let people go who might get signed to WWE?
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2 minutes ago, Serious Darius Bagfelt said:
No way on earth he would release anyone that would get a job with the competition
You mean like CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, and Brian Pillman Jr.?
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AEW TV - 4/10 - 4/16/2024 - Julia Hart of (Real) Glass
in ALL ELITE WRESTLING
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Perhaps, but that's how i feel right now.