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various 8/14/83 Omni comments:
QuoteArn Anderson as an opening match babyface adhering to the Code of Honor. As noted before, Arn towered over Lightfoot and Lightfoot loses by basically pinning himself.
You can hear individual fans yelling during the first few matches, at least I can while wearing headphones for this.
Lots of arm work (Ole's booking)
Probably somebody trying to find the right way to pitch bringing headscissors back as a hold by having a wrestler crush pumpkins with their thighs (guarantee this idea would be pitched for a women's wrestler first just to make it a bit skeezier)
Crowd starts to wake up a few minutes into Rude vs Mr. Wrestling around the time that Rude catches the foot and reverses
Hey, referees declaring winners in time limit draws, feels like a good way to get the face called the winner before a postmatch beatdown
Iron Sheik billed at 230lbs, boy, that's a lower weight than we remember him being
Sheik's pointy boots are a bit more menacing in a promotion that allows for blood
I can *guess* why Sheik didn't do a somersault legdrop in the matches where he was older and fatter. Also Sheik was out of Georgia and in the WWF shortly after this card
Buzz Sawyer's street clothes are of a man with a probation officer
Ron Garvin was from Quebec at this time, not to be confused with his residence in the US shortly later once he got a haircut
top ropes on the left and right looking a bit worn
punching a dude behind the ref's back as the ref is stopping the good guy, great spot lost to modern times
Neat piledriver counter by Garvin to win
Road Warriors weigh over 587 pounds, the scales don't go to 588lbs combined
Road Warriors are a bit more fun in the ring as bullies who also cheat as opposed to being indestructible no-selling monsters later. Maybe some of that is due to how much the crowd loved Tim Woods/Wrestling 2
neat to counter headbutts by just putting your forearms up
Pez rolling out of the way of elbowdrops is fun
Greg Valentine just repeatedly knocking Scrappy McGowan down is a fun way to do a DQ, I guess
Pez Whatley probably would have done a bit more if territories didn't go away soon after this
Might have been the lighting but it felt like Tommy started bleeding as soon as the match started
Imagine thinking the working way to hit a guy in the balls was invented in the late 90s WWF
Bill Irwin spilling onto the floor!
If they wanted to give Bill Irwin a gimmick they'd pitch to 1996 Chris Jericho, they should have made Bill Irwin into a hair metal dork instead of a Hockey Goon
That's a longggg bull whip
Tommy Rich wins after Bill Irwin decides that whips hurt
The main event rulezzzz
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10 minutes ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:
Can't remember the name but there was a Japanese indy guy whose gimmick was drawing his opponent with large breasts before matches.
AI both makes that gimmick easier to do and also sorta-illegal/icky
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also Ellering is all over Georgia in 1983 (and into 1984) and in August 83, he's still dressed like a high school teacher who manages wrestlers (which is the look he had a few months later during the awesome Garvin/Jake match)
Ellering would be like if Walter White decided to become a pro wrestling manager instead of a meth cook to pay his cancer bills
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having someone whose entire gimmick involves trying to paint wrestlers before some chaos always thwarts the painting would be fun for like 2 weeks until it gets stale
34 minutes ago, Bustronaut said:The roll-up, 'natch
guessing they can't get Mr. Roll to learn the Victory Roll before Summerslam
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4 hours ago, hammerva said:
But was this the start of the Tommy Rich feud because Battle of Atlanta was a good 2 or 3 months away? Or did he turn face and then quickly go back to it by the battle of Atlanta?
Here are the Buzz Sawyer Omni opponents listed on CageMatch before Last Battle:
Dick Slater, JYD, Pez Whatley
then after Last Battle:
Abdullah, Buzz and Tommy vs the Road Warriors in Thanksgiving 83
so they had the epic blowoff between Buzz and Tommy and were teaming them up a month later
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I didn't watch all of Arn vs Joe Lightfoot but Arn towered over Joe Lightfoot in the prematch handshake (it could have been a slight illusion) which is surprising since Arn is billed at 6'1" and pretty much never towered over other wrestlers of that time.. Wikipedia lists Arn at 6'1" and Lightfoot at 5'8", which seems more realistic than CageMatch listing Arn at 6'0" and Lightfoot at 5'10"... Joe Lightfoot is not 5'10" when Arn Anderson looks like he's at least 5 inches taller than Joe Lightfoot.
at least their heights look closer than if Arn Anderson worked Jerrito Estrada and we got to see how Arn would work against someone a foot shorter than him.
so... the biggest 1983 Omni card that hasn't dropped is the Thanksgiving card with Magnum TA and Randy Savage in a tag team tournament, isn't it?
Christmas 83 at the Omni has Road Warriors vs Stan Hansen and Bugsy McGraw which feels like a contrast between the 1983 Road Warriors and Bugsy McGraw comedy wrestling (also Christmas 83 has DiBiase vs Tommy Rich loser leaves town)
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Buzz Tyler left to star in Star Trek the New Generation after his Bash 85 experience
it didn't take long after I realized the Omni card was being aired to see Brett Wayne Sawyer bleeding vs the Iron Sheik, so that was fun too
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yeah I'm thinking Asheville probably got the Single version of the song instead of the Album version.. but yeah, probably not a coincidence that Piper and Valentine both got the hell out of JCP pretty soon after this
well, aside from the "babyface Greg Valentine" stint in JCP
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12 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:
should his finish be the splash or the senton?
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the other Piper/Valentine dog collar matches were in Toronto, Charleston, Savannah, Charlotte, Greensboro, Columbia, Asheville, and Richmond. Of those places, Toronto might actually be more likely to have footage than Greensboro, but it depends on how much stuff the people running the Maple Leaf revival actually own
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Piper was the rare guy who went to the WWF in 1984 and had a less insane schedule than his 1981/82/83
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Piper and Valentine did 8 rematches of the Dog Collar match in December 1983, which feels insane
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I missed the first 27 minutes of the show because I thought it was starting at 7pm Central and not 7pm Eastern
Instant review of Piper/Sawyer: boy, they sure did bleed a whole fucking lot
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meanwhile Bryan Turner uploads for complete lunatics with lots of time
"GWF Light Heavyweight Championship 1991 Tournament - 7 HOUR MIXTAPE" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYQpM6YVfk0
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didn't know Randy Couture was in my area until I read the news that he crashed at a race track in Odessa (east of KC) https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/45704307/mma-star-randy-couture-airlifted-hospital-racing-accident
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there's probably a certain amount of overlap on a venn diagram between Robin Williams and Roddy Piper (some obvious differences too)
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the Omni/Rick Rood thing reminds me that they released matches from the Superdome on Legends of Mid-South so I wonder if they have the entire cards from the Superdome or just the big stuff
they could probably upload some of the stuff that they already released on BluRay 12 years ago since it's not like anybody is actually buying media in that format these days
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Ultimo Dragon (before they got the letter from Jerry McDevitt about calling him "Ultimate Dragon") vs Psychosis from GAB 97: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EogXkZ9OFM
that right hand counter to the leapfrog rulesss
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and to be fair to Piper, he ran up an insane amount of physical mileage in the early 80s before going to the WWF
also watching pre-Uncensored 97 and the stip if Team WCW won was a loud "WCW is not winning" siren.. the stips if you forgot
- If Team nWo won, they would get the ability to challenge for any WCW championship whenever they wanted.
- If Team WCW won, every member of the nWo would be suspended from wrestling for WCW for three years and all of their championships would be returned to WCW.
- If Team Piper won, he would receive another match against Hogan for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, to be contested at a time and a place of his choosing and taking place inside a steel cage.
the stips almost make it where if the final two were WCW/Piper, the nWo would have incentive to help Piper win to get the lesser punishment and also sow discord between Piper and WCW
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Piper vs Buzz Sawyer in a feud about which brand of cocaine is the best
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1997 Piper really gives me the impression that a lot of his previous promo success relied on almost all of the promos being pretaped
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27 minutes ago, just drew said:
I was at that show. As bad as it was on tv, it was SO MUCH worse being there live. You know an event is boring when a 14 year old Drew is thinking "I could've been at home getting a jump on my French homework"...
to clarify, 3/10 was the Piper promo at Club La Vela where he ranted about Howard Stern and the WWF. The week before was the tryout at the Omni.
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fortunately Benoit doesn't appear on the 3/10/97 Nitro so the WCW YouTube can upload the episode with Piper's amazingly atrocious promo before Ric/Arn/Mongo/Jarrett come out to get Piper to drop his Tryout team and team up with the Horsemen at Uncensored
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since Duggan is basically doing a Billy Jack crossed with Walking Tall gimmick, just go deeper into that gimmick
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July 2025 Pro Wrestling Talk
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
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looking at match listings showing Ray Traylor doing jobs on World Championship Wrestling for two months after facing Tully and deciding that
1) the idea that Dusty saw Bubba take the Slingshot Suplex and he took him off TV to become Bubba isn't exactly true and..
2) they did a pretty solid job introducing him as Big Bubba and getting him over within 2 months of him being on TV doing jobs.. that hat and glasses really helped