HumanChessgame
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I've eaten at Gwarbar several times and it's always been great. Then again I didn't try any of the meat substitute dishes. My friend I was there with one time got one of the seitan burgers and said it was great, so I took her word for it. There's interesting memorabilia all over the place and there was a steady diet of good quality metal and hardcore on the PA.
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16 hours ago, Greggulator said:
CM Punk gives the scene world we grew up in a really bad name. It’s because most of us grew up and became adults and took the best part of basement shows — you can make your own fun, you’ll find your tribe, etc. — with us into adulthood.
There are sadly a lot of dudes who never grew out of the scene "us against the world, fuck anyone who doesn't fit our exact mindset" stance (which is kind of hypocritical on a scene built around inclucivity but whatever). A lot of them are the people who peaked in their 20s as some kind of big name in whatever small scene they were a part of and can't let it go. A little while back the local independent paper had an article on venues that were up and running post-covid and there was a small blurb about house shows. It was something pretty simple like "a longtime staple of the punk scene, house shows are making a comeback with places like *insert names of a few places here* regularly hosting shows". Some guy makes a rant on FB about how "the scene doesn't need any promotion by any media outlet and if you don't know where house shows are then you don't need to know!" or something along those lines. Just a complete overreaction to a pretty innocuous comment.
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Gable has defied pretty much all shit booking odds to get himself over while being one of the more underrated guys on the roster. From his team with Jordan to his singles runs he's been awesome at just about every turn. His two matches against Jack Gallagher on 205 Live (back when that was one of the best and least watched of the WWE shows) get slept on because of where they took place (and probably because of what happened with Gallagher) but were amazing.
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Despite all the drama surrounding AEW this weekend and the haphazard way this show was thrown together, this show continued in the tradition of AEW PPVs over-delivering despite a lackluster build or plans and storylines getting derailed. Just about every match told a story and was really well put together. The crowd were either behaving themselves or just cleverly miced. Can anyone who was there live speak on the attendance? Collision looked pretty damn sparse last night.
Some of my least favorite tropes in wrestling involve the "heel acts legit injured to the point of having medical come out then fakes out the opponent" and "wrestler gets taken out of the match with the injury but runs out hurt and makes the save". I was thinking we'd get the former here but ended up with the latter. I get Dark Order are basically JTTS but they still ended up looking like goofs just so MJF and Cole could do their schtick. That said I'm all in on a Joe/MJF program.
Taylor and Joe had a nice stiff hoss fight that delivered as expected. Based on Joe and MJF's interaction before the match I thought they might actually have Taylor go over so Joe could move into place for something else. Either way Taylor should get a bigger push.
Luchasaurus/Darby was about as expected. A bunch of random people with no connection to the feud was a bit odd. I had been expecting AR Fox to make the save to keep his redemption angle going, though maybe him not coming out was part of the story?
The only issue with Hobbs/Miro was that neither guy really needed to lose here. Miro has never been ever to have any steady momentum and Hobbs' face/heel alignment and feuds change on a regular basis. The crowd was really hot for this one and both guys looked great. I do think Miro needed the win a bit more given how sporadically he's around and Hobbs got his head back afterwards giving us a sign we get another meat slapper out of these guys soon.
Ruby is pretty hit or miss for me but she was on her game for tonight. Statlander being awesome had a bit to do with that as well.
Like other people I had concerns about Danielson doing something ill advised in this match when he's not 100% yet. I'd had to be either of these guys in the morning as they whipped the dogshit out of eachother. The stipulation was smartly worked into all the spots and both guys got juice to keep things looking more brutal. I'm here for Danielson getting Final Countdown as his ppv theme.
BCC and Kingston/Shibata had a really stiff exchange that made me want to see a Claudio/Shibata solo outing. All the guys got their shit in, moves looked snug, just about everything landed and had an undercurrent of intesnity to it. This reminded me of something that would have main evented an ROH show in 2006.
I think Omega's head is still sailing somewhere over Lake Michigan after that brutal lariat Take hit. The match in general was something that would have been right at home in NJPW. There's some finisher killing and gratuitous kickouts to be expected in this, mainly that avalance blue thunder bomb, but I don't think they went too far here. Really surprised Takeshita went over more or less clean. This should have been the main event.
The parts of the 8 man tag I paid attention to were non-stop spots with a bit of clever interplay between The Bucks and FTR cooperating on moves with eachother. The ending seemed really abrupt and I kept waiting for something to happen after but it just kind of fizzled out.
Moxley had a match where he didn't get color but the other guy got a gusher. That has to be a first, at least in AEW. I think this was the time for OC to drop the title as his schtick is starting to get old.
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Short show with several long matches.
Becky/Trish overdelivered and was definitely the best performance I've seen out of Trish.
Didn't watch Knight/Miz or Rey/Theory.
The tag titles match was your standard WWE chaotic brawl, but Owens and Sami pulled out enough entertaining stuff to keep the spectacle engaging. Owens also caught a decent gusher. The numbers game of Judgement Day getting them the victory was unsurprising.
Seth/Nak was a good match, though there being no doubt about Rollins retaining kind of kept me from being more engaged. I was kind of surprised Priest didn't come out to cash in after the main event.
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Has anyone claimed this is a work a la MJF not being on a plane to Vegas yet?
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The opening tag was fine but it sucks Aussie Open had to lose the titles for an angle with two main roster guys.
If Jungle Boy/Hook had just been a straight up match I would have liked it more, but in a show with two other gimmick brawls the stipulation was kind of unnecessary here. What
In the last Punk/Joe match they told a story of both guys needing to fight harder to win early as time and mileage have prevented them from going as long as they did in their earlier matches. This continued with that by Joe trying to maul Punk and use is power to overcome him and Punk just trying to do his best to counter what he could. Punk's ego got the best of him when the Hogan and Funk tributes got a little to cute for their own good and Joe almost got him with the rollup. Then you have Punk busting out the Pepsi Plunge again as a counter to get the win. I liked the match but it wasn't their best.
The six man tag featured guys I like fine as workers but have no investement in otherwise and don't really have a lot of interest in the surrounding storyline. Match itself was fine.
Bucks/FTR was probably my favorite match of the night. I like the Bucks fine when they keep their schtick to a minimum and actually wrestle, and either FTR's style helped them rein it in or they just decided it would be in their best interest to work a more straight match. Some nice callbacks to earlier spots (Cash missing the 450) and the Shatter Machine counter to win looked cool. I'm legit surprised FTR won.
Did Santana do a reverse WWE and gain a first name? Penta's costume change mid-match was...definitely a thing. This was the average AEW garbage match. I'm surprised OC got the most juice out of anyone. His taipei deathmatch finishing punch was a cool spot.
The women's match was shorter than I thought it would be (and why wasn't there one on the preshow?) but pretty good despite multiperson matches having clusterfuck potential. Isn't the Knight family kind of persona non grata after the speaking out movement?
Didn't really care about the coffin match. I'm sure the UK crowd enjoyed seeing Sting live.
Jericho played to his strengths in his match and didn't try to go overboard or longer than the match needed to.
I was looking forward to the trios match as HOB are always a high point to me until the NHB stipulation was annouced. Four of these on a show is overkill. I get the show was big on faces going over and Billy getting his happy ending, but HOB didn't need to lose here.
Cole and MJF told a good story of two friends who wanted to see who was better but had enough lingering rulebreaking tendencies to push the limits of sportsmanship. Cole started bending the rules until flat out playing the heel and MJF holding back on letting his true nature loose. That brainbuster on the stairs looked nasty for both guys. I figured the ending would be a big dog and pony show and that's pretty much what we got.
Good show overall that looked to be focused towards being safe in terms of not doing anything too over the top or endings that would be potentially controversial in order to send everyone home happy. I'm curious to hear feedback from people who were there live about how everything went over.
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Whitmer and Jacobs had some really good matches as a team. Offhand I recall the match against Roddy and Evans from Manhattan Mayhem (5/7/05) and against Roddy and Aries (1/28/06) being especially good. I feel like there are a few more I don't see on cagematch or can't remember offhand. Jacobs and Whitmer had some great matches against eachother in IWA-MS (including a no rope barbed wire match) as well.
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Was Bray still technically with the company? His last match was at the Rumble in January. I had assumed he'd been let go in the interim.
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Arleen Sorkin, whose mannerisms and personality were the basis for Harley Quinn (and her original voice actor) has died at 67.
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Holy shit...just the other day I was wondering what had become of him. While the latter half of his WWE run left a lot to be desired, peak Wyatt Family was one of the most intriguing factions and storylines out there. I remember the first time they squared off with The Shield and the tension was palpable. He was definitely one of the more creative guys out there who could have easily made it as an actor. Anyways, here is one of my favorite individual ring entrances of all time
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Burning through storylines is nothing new in AEW but I think Fox's heel turn was the fastest they've ever speedrun an angle. Darby/Sting vs Fox/Swerve was going to be a perfectly fine match and both Swerve and Fox were really getting over as heels with no small thanks to Nana. I'm hoping some of the rumored issues with travel and whatnot are the cause of this because it makes no sense otherwise. Is it Sting/Darby/Wayne Fox vs Swerve/Cage/Luchasaurus/Christian or what?
Santana and Ortiz were my picks as BCC's other crew. Fenix being taken out simplifies things a bit. I figured they're replace him with some random lucha guy, but this is better as 6v6 is too damn many people in a match.
I can't remember the last time I heard Osperay cut a lengthy promo. Has he always sounded like such a chav? Nowadays Jericho is either the shits or surprisingly good depending on how well he plays to his strengths so this match could go either way based on how long they decide to go.
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I started watching wrestling via WWF in the early 90s and only knew of Funk via mentions in Apter's magazines when I started reading those. Several years later I started reading articles and seeing pictures of him in ECW and how he was able to stand toe to toe with far younger guys in all sorts of wild brawls. In late 96-early 97 I started getting up at 6am on Saturday mornings to watch ECW on some random sports channel and ended up with a well worn 6 hour VHS of various episodes I'd taped. I want to say the first time I saw him actually wrestle was against Brian Lee in a match where he got repeatedly beaten with a trash can then threatened Raven backstage afterwards. Despite him being a generation older and showing a lot of physical wear and tear, seeing how he was able to dish out and withstand punishment and just carry that overall aura of toughness made me realize why he got so much respect in the business.
In the years since I've watched lots of his matches from different eras and even though his style would evolve a lot of things would remain constant. He was one of the best talkers around in that he wasn't super over the top, but you believed what he said, and he drew you in. When he was on offense he made it look like a fight. Even though he might be struggling with an opponent he had this intensity about him where he looked to be seriously trying to win a contest. Few people sold better than he did. Any time he was on the receiving end, he made the other guy's offense look painful. He took the beating like someone in an action movie and you could feel the pain in how he emoted with his face and body.
I'm going to dig up my tape of Born to be Wired and the IWA deathmatch tournament (if they still work) and pay tribute.
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Gable/Gunther was awesome and I wasn't mad about the finish because it means we get a longer PPV match. I thought they might finally give Gable his due and pull the trigger on him winning, then I saw in the other thread Gunther would be just shy of the record.
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Was something up with the house audio? I swear the crowd was really quiet for the first few matches but you could hear every word the wrestlers in and around the ring were saying. The Iron Savages and Miro are tied with promo of the night. Wasn't Ku one of those people stuck in MLW contract purgatory? He'd be a good fit for ROH if they want to bring him back more.
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9 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:
was Sabu really in WCW for long enough to have any Worldwide/Pro matches end up on TV?
the only Sabu WCW matches on TheHistoryOfWWE that weren't on Nitro/Havoc are from a "TV Taping" in August 1995 where he worked Chris Kanyon twice, so is it possible that you're confusing Devon Storm and Chris Kanyon?
That must have been it. Looking deeper into it I see Storm had a match with Kanyon as well in which he did some impressive high flying stuff a bit ahead of its time
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2 hours ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:
Curious to see what people have as the best match shown on a promotion's B or C shows?
Action Zone had that obvious clique tag match from 94.
Superstars less clear. It had a really good Bret vs Backlund match that started the heel run for Bob. Pat Tanaka vs The 123 Kid from late 93 is a ridiculously good sprint. The sunset flip powerbomb to the floor spot is just ridiculous for 1993.
Love to hear the nominations for WCW Pro/Worldwide/Saturday Night ..even Thunder.
Brad Armstrong and Jushin Liger had one of the better Worldwide matches I can remember (I think this was my first time seeing Liger). Sabu and Devon Storm had a really good match on either Worldwide or Pro but I can't find it anywhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt2ExoB_-Dg
Mr. Perfect and Doink had two time limit draws on Superstars/Challenge
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Didn't they hire Jimmy Jacobs as a producer not long ago? He's a really creative guy and was supposedly behind some non-awful stuff during his WWE tenure.
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I'm tempted to call out of work tomorrow night to go to Collision
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MJF and Cole having two matches on the show is stupid, considering how big a deal the card is and how they should be filling it out in as interesting a manner as possible. I don't think the match is going to be bad or anything, but its purpose is probably them losing to add some potential "are they going to have heat with eachother for one of them getting pinned?" story in the main event. Aussie Open are good and could have a fresh, quality match with just about any other team. They haven't had a match against just the Lucha Bros and I'd much rather see that.
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4 hours ago, Johnny Sorrow said:
King of the Hill is one of my favorite shows to this day. It's the only show I currently watch on live TV with ads. There's two big blocks of KOTH that air daily and I usually catch a couple of episodes every day. I just watched the one where Bobby might be a Lama, and it's so funny and so sweet. RIP Johnny Hardwick.
King of the Hill is probably my favorite animated comedy. I have every episode and the first dozen seasons of The Simpsons downloaded and will play on random when I go to bed most nights. It's total comfort food in tv format that will usually ensure my day ends on a somewhat high note. It's funny how in the opening scene of the series they mention Seinfeld when the show is basically Seinfeld in smalltown Texas (Hank = Jerry, Bill = George, Dale = Kramer, I guess Elaine is Boomhauer? Kahn is definitely Newman). The last time I watched The 'Burbs I also noticed what a parallel that show is as well. I kept hearing new episodes were going to get made, and I wonder if this puts the kibosh on that? No Lucky and Luanne is addition by subtraction, but there's no show without Dale.
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I got into wrestling post-Rockers breakup and always found Marty incredibly underrated. After the reunion match I'd hoped he'd come back for a midcard singles run or team up with a younger guy in a non-corny less hokey team but once again he sabotaged his own success. He did an RF shoot in 05 or so that's probably one of my favorite interviews. There isn't a lot of discussion on the ins and outs of wrestling psychology or match breakdowns, but instead about four hours or stories, some of which were touched on here, and a lot of other interesting but kind of depressing stuff. At that point he was still working regularly and a lot more coherent than he was in this piece or in later interviews and came off a lot more sympathetic. You get the impression of a guy who is just his own worst enemy and can't help but sabotage his own success on account of bad choices.
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I'm all for AEW still doing house shows in smaller venues. If they're in one city on Wednesday for Dynamite, then book a house show on Thursday in a smaller town an hour or so away at a 1000ish seat venue. I know a lot of people were working in Dustin's promotion and other indies but that's not something they can do on a regular basis depending on when they're working AEW's shows.
One of my biggest issues with ROH is that they haven't differentiated their roster enough from AEW and is fast becoming more of the new Dark. It was a necessary thing to have the youtube shows but I'd much rather have ROH as a defined brand with a complete separate roster. Giving some of the roster who don't have anything else to do regular spots is one thing, but just rotating guys in and out on a weekly basis just makes it seem like a side thought. ROH's schedule pre-covid of two shows a month (tv taping and then a bigger event) was a better setup than trying to squeeze the tapings in around AEW shows with a mostly empty building and dead audience.
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I watched Summerslam live instead of Collision only because it would be easier to catch up with two hours (or more like 1:45 with the commercials cut) of wrestling than about four.
WWE TV 9/11/23-9/17/23
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The finish of the six man prompted me to look back to see if Ciampa and Walter had a match before and I remembered that they fought on Mania weekend two years ago for the NXT UK title. Even though I don't remember the match, I mentioned it was brutal and hard hitting in the thread and it was universally agreed by about everyone else that it was a great outing. I'm now thinking that it's Ciampa who takes the IC belt of Walter and I'd really like to see them have a lengthy PPV match.