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First I'm asking myself what the hullabaloo from Aew/Roh was about but this one sums it up about perfectly
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velveteen dream goes scorched earth? Anyone have that on their bingo card?
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With all the talk Bobby Fish has done this week, is this guy working, trying to stir up buzz for interest to maybe get another payday? I mean, given he's talking on Punk so much this week, I'm guessing he's airing his own gripes now that he's not with the AEW roster any more? Not one fucking clue hahahaha
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1 hour ago, madl said:
Meltzer’s noted that backstage fights have always been a thing in MMA and wrestling, but the difference is that most fights don’t take place near media and in full view of a corporate attorney “from the real world”.
UFC alone nearly cornered the market on this stuff especially in the McGregor era
Granted the bus one wasn't in full view of the fans but that had clips making the rounds online almost immediately
This was right after the closing moments of a ppv *right after Khabib finished Conor*
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On 8/29/2022 at 12:51 PM, The Natural said:
Last week was bad with the depression and I've been crying non stop today. Today I did something I've never done, tell my Dad and Sister about the suicidal thoughts. I kept it from them for years as I didn't want to upset/worry. One of the hardest conversations I've ever had. Takes a lot to open up to someone and said someone hearing something deep like that. I've spoken to others before and didn't get the reaction I was hoping for which makes you reluctant to reveal something so personal.
After letting my Dad/Sister know, it was a mixture wondering whether I should have because you can't turn back time and relief. If the roles were reversed I'd be upset someone I love was in such a state but by knowing, I'd be there for them.
Mental health issues, depression and grief, your thoughts and feelings in mind. As ever, please keep this to the board only and not on Facebook. Only you here, my Dad, Sister, Adam and Alyson know about the self-harm/suicidal thoughts and I want to keep it that way. Thank you, Paul xxx.
My thoughts and prayers are with you friend. I went off my Zoloft two weeks after a giant argument with my brother and stepbrother. Long story short, about 5 years ago when I moved out to the sticks to work at my stepbrothers construction company, I've had tons of arguments and shouting matches with all of my family coming back and declaring me a hot head with a temper.
FF to about april I think, fuck I can't remember. My cousin passed away, months younger than me. Fucked me up pretty bad, i posted about it somewhere on this forum. Another hot headed outbreak got me to realize I need meds like a motherfucker because I was tired of all my flareups. So I try to get in to see a shrink, get some asshole who only does phone consults and is in a race against the clock each time we speak so that my phone consults go from about half an hour at first to over and wrapped up within 4 minutes.
Asshole starts me on Zoloft, ups the dosage after a month, but then comes the swerve ball. I don't have a flare up at the office, but everyone has an issue with how dismissive I'm talking to a customer, more in the sense that instead of being all warm sunny customer service I have this flat monotone. Not trying to get the dude to hang up, just not overflowing with sunshine and rainbows right.
So i get double teamed outta nowhere and everyone's bringing up my past from literally two years back and acting like i'm the same. which is like jabbing lava tipped daggers into my heart because i fucking swear i'm not the same guy i was back in may. i'm absolutely not the same guy i was in march. and having my own family ignoring what i felt was lots of progress got me really fucked up.
had to take out my zoloft prescription and say "look i've been on this about two months. i don't want laurels and flowers but i wanna at least acknowledge i'm not the same jerk i was back in january at least. can i at least get that?"
in the heat of the moment i just empty the bottle into a trash can because fuck them. i can't get one fucking word in, and the worst part is i'm not even trying to defend my actions, i'm just trying to explain my mindset since they keep asking why i handled the customer that way. which again, i wasn't even rude or angry or using foul language, i just wasn't sunny and pleasant enough for them
Still got about a month left before i can try to get the zoloft refill but nah, fuck it. i've been very open with my family about my losing struggles with mental health and if the best defense they can muster when they gang up on me is to bring up my bullshit from two or three years ago, especially after i've actually taken steps to try and rewire my own brain with medication which kinda was working, then fuck it. fuck zoloft. fuck trying to improve my mental issues.
absolutely felt like i was gonna lose that battle about 6 years back, even told everyone not to expect me around in another 3 years.
long ass way of saying, in my mind you shouldn't feel embarassed about opening up to your family, especially if you might think you're on the losing side (of struggling with mental health) and want to know that someone's got your back brother. and it seems like that was the case, which i absolutely love for you and for anyone here who's got the unconditional support of their loved ones.
just reflecting on all this today since last night i had an episode and was told to take a pill and calm down. which ironically i can't take my zoloft since i dumped them in the trash to make a point to my brothers weeks back hahaha. wish i could.
/rant-whining done
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Gordfather my liege,
I'm hoping if abyone reads my post and understands I was just reacting to the article, I hope it would be you
Wasn't trying to drag that mess into this thread, I mean I've long been a fan of your posts along others like Elsavage, Eivion, FlipsandFists, etc aka the good Bubbas (if i can steal from KawadaSmiles) who get in depth with their thoughts and opinions and bring up interesting pov's. Believer it or not I also count Newbury among that group in recent months, there's lots of great discussions in this thread and many others and it's all you good bubbas making it such a great place to relax and unwind after a day at work and peruse things of MattD and Dean and you too naturally
Tldr didn't want to drag the convo over here, Newburys link was here and I reacted to it here but I wasn't planning or hoping to revisit the talk here, and seeing the ppv thread closed I'm absolutely not gonna linger on the gossip in this holiest and most sacred of threads*
In closijg I hope to see you post reviews of live events or even past events, your stories and pictures are awesome as hell bubba. I've got a best friend living in Fukuoka who married a local girl and they had their 1st kid recently and trust me, I love reading about and hearing about the daily life in Japan from good bubbas like yourself and my brother Sergio so hopefully you won't only lurk but will still drop some road stories past or present
***Not being insincere at all, if you recall I rejoiced in the first navel gazing thread how awesome it was to find a thread that was just discussion without the photos eating up bandwidth every other post. These threads are what I love about the board and its the laid out thoughts of the good bubbas in detail that make it such a great time to browse
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38 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said:
Taking this out of the Navel-Gazing thread and putting it here because it probably doesn't need to be there:
So TK would go on to reiterate the gist of the quote Wresting Purists pulled from his NBC Chicago interview when he talked to Dave on Saturday:
You'll note he adds caveats about people not hurting each other, people not crossing the line, maintaining a safe environment, etc. He's clearly not cool with that stuff.
Now I don't think he expected people to violate those parameters the very next day...
And now you're policing who posts what in which thread?
Remind me, back in the hot takes thread yeah, ain't you the guy saying wrestling fans should enjoy wrestling how they want to
I quoted you in that thread since you posted the article in that thread dude, good lord if you're going to police what's getting posted where please do me the courtesy of spelling out your rules for me seeing how I'm not a mind reader and how I'm not up to speed with your rules on other members posting their thoughts
seeing how you ask for links to tweets i share I'll hope you can share the links for your forum posting rules, bud
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On 9/3/2022 at 2:54 PM, John from Cincinnati said:
I think this belongs in this thread? Please refrain from pelting me with vegetables that are starting to look a little funky.
He's the data guy. So if he's saying friendship doesn't sell, he probably has something to back that up. Release the minute-by-minute ratings for friendship, Tony!
Jesus I'm just seeing this now
Ok, if any of the scuffles kerfuffles are real incidents and not a work, fire everyone involved in throwing hands/chairs
If he's coming out talking about he's cool with that shit, fuck him and fuck any "stars" unprofessional enough to throw hands backstage off camera instead of working it out on TV for the payday
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Didnt see it like that @ first, but I getcha VileOne, Punkenhead, an Newbury.
Good points for me to think on.
*added
Just caught up on navel gazing thread and saw the article Newbury shared about Tony being all "let them hate each other, thats cool!" FUUUUUUUCCK if that doesn't give me a new perspective now
Fuck anyone unprofessional enough to settle shit off camera for zero money by throwing hands.
if they cant work that shit out in ring for a payday, fuck em. Fire em. Thats the environment tony wants to foster? Gtfo if they can't find a way to make some $ with that drama. Unprofessional asses
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1 hour ago, Log said:
Whatever happens, if they decide to address it on Dynamite, just please god do not have TK do it. Get one of your professional talkers to do it.
Eddie Kingston doing damage control like he did after the exploding barb wire massacre/sparkler fiasco
Please and thank you
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1 hour ago, punkenhead said:
Your takeaway from all this is that SRS needs to be held accountable for the actions of a thin skinned individual? Nobody forced Punk to bring up Colt Cabana. Nobody forced Punk to throw hands. If you were in a staff meeting and started talking shit about your co-workers and superiors in front of your boss, then became involved in a physical altercation with your superiors, would you have an expectation that your actions would be seen as sympathetic or justified, or would you expect to be suspended/fired/arrested?
Even if someone did leak information about Punk/Cabana, so fucking what? It boils down to whether you are a professional or not. Punk shit all over his co-workers, took the wind out of every raised sail after the PPV, and basically did not put his company first...all over something that should have been addressed back in May, in a staff meeting (not like the one in my scenario above). And, all over something that the majority of fans had no idea was even a thing, nor cared about if they did.
Try to get to you and VileOne both here
My point is, which I've laid out across multiple posts..
SRS/Fightful is sitting at the center of several shit storms over the past few months, with tweets and patreon reports saying one thing, then rumors and gossip mill ramp up, and when shit hits the fan, Fightful deflects from doing a retraction by "reporting" well in our defense, we never said we got our info directly from these folsk we're reporting on
Did the leg work for those tweets, you can check out my last posts from recent 24 hours
I get what you and VileOne are saying, but I've stressed it enough,
two things can be true at the same time
1) Punk is a dick/jerk/asshole/bitter etc
2) Fightful barely meets the standards of journalism, they're way more tabloid sleaze
To the 1st point, which again feel free to scroll through last 24 hours of my posts as I've said it enough times, I'm not standing up for Punk but rather looking at the shituation he put the company and others in, and looking for the source aka what's at the root of all this
And bringing up May and what happened back then doesn't really fit into this, imo, because he didn't really seem to have an issue with this until his injury and absence* when all the rumors swirled up without him around to debunk or address them
He gets put on leave, likely wants to rehab in peace, I imagine all the shit he's hearing gets to him, he gets a hot mic in front of the press and unleashes a shitstorm (*that's my takeaway from his comments at the presser)
Now sure, he can see himself as a martyr and all that, don't think I've tried to paint him as a (2nd city) saint here, but again going by his words if I put myself in his shoes then fuck yeah I see how that shit would build up to a boiling point and sho nuff he's wrong for airing dirty laundry in public so to speak
But rewind to before the injury, the rumors were swirling about Punk getting Cabana booted same as the rumors were swirling that FTR had heat with Bucks (which FTR had to address in a tweet then they had to go back and address it again when they got left off the videogame and rumors swirled about the future of FTR with AEW)
Now for the root of all this shituation again I go back to those tweets I shared in previous posts
Fightful seems to be at the center of this given how frequently they keep pumping out WELL WE DIDNT HEAR THIS FROM THEIR MOUTH DIRECTLY, BUT WE'RE NOT RETRACTING OUR REPORTING EITHER
My bone to pick with them is how they're crowing about their subs growing when that growth is apparently fueled by gossip and lies.
Back to Nick, say that Ace cracking him in the head with a chair leads to the black eye, maybe getting knocked out. From the reports I've read of Aces wife being backstage watching over Larry and the Bucks going after Punk to confront him, I can totally see Ace trying to kill someone seeing his wife is innocently in the middle of all the chaos. Say Nick's retina is damaged, or he's concussed and has to miss action.
That's reckless behavior on Aces part no doubt. Unprofessional. But that shit imo isn't happening without one shit stirring "website" running around spreading lies and gossip for months, which then gets picked up and spread and quoted as a source ad nauseum until the boys get worked into a shoot and now careers are on the line if not outright done
But I guess I'm deflecting, and the boys losing jobs is totes fine, hey gossip sites are just doing their job,let the boys do theirs, fragile egos aside?
/s
Dunno. For all the memes I shared of Nick getting laid out, at the end of the day if he ends up with serious head damage/trauma from Ace likely trying to take his block off, im a feel shitty for Nick and his family, reading all the reports from today that we didn't have yesterday
Anyone potentially taking serious injuries, I mean if any talent has to miss weeks or months for injury from this melee, that sucks. Should some talent miss time for suspensions over brawling, fuck yeah! The two are not mutually exclusive if you ask me
Like Newbury said, fightful got over 10k subs off this. Yay fightful!
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20 hours ago, Casey said:
I have my own opinions on wrestling journalism, but in all honesty, if Sapp or any other writer have actual sources and they consider themselves journalists - you don't out your sources. Full stop.
In your opinion, would you rate Sapp as a journalist? Sincere question.
In my head this fuck Sapp is nothing more than tabloid shit stirring media jackal at this point. He's retweeting his team celebrating that they broke 9k subs on their patreon, like he's stirring the hornets nest and celebrating in driving up subscriptions.
That's just me. I mean, I agree with your broad point that legit journalists shouldn't give up sources. Full stop. I just don't see Sapp as legit or a journalist, if that gives any insight into my thoughts. He's no better than those tabloid hounds that ran the Princess' limo into the wall and killed her.
Assuming all the heat backstage is legit, assuming Nick J got cracked with a steel chair to the head by Ace Steele, I mean there's the assumption if this is all legit happening and the seeds are seemingly mostly being planted by this fuck then all this shit is on Sapp. People's health and livelihood seem to be on the line here, and the Fightful fucks are celebrating adding subs like they give zero fucks about the people they're "reporting" on and the possible real world damage those people are going thru, but hey clicks drive the subs i guess?
(Fightful-accountability rant over)
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51 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:
For what it's worth, Sean Ross Sapp, who reported on the issues with Punk, Cabana, and rest of the roster, said he never spoke to The Bucks and Omega on this either.
And that has been my issue with all of this from the beginning. Sapp's the one who posted that it was confirmed MJF had a flight out during that one weekend where MFJ no showed the fanfest and left everyone wondering if he would make it to the PPV vs Wardlow
When everyone else but Sapp said they hadn't heard anything, then MJF did pop up at the ppv, Sapp never retracted his report. He just said "well we didn't hear it from MJF himself" but he's the one who got the bees nest going with his MJF booked a flight outta town tweet
I had to go dig up the old tweets because Sapp is doing that shit again, well we never said we heard this from the Elite themselves which is the playbook he used with the MJF thing
That's why in the non stick September thread I was saying this dude should confirm who the fuck his sources are since he keeps stirring the hornets nest then plays innocent by doing the whole "well, we didn't hear from them directly!"
Granted Casey said a good journalist wouldn't/shouldn't give up their sources, and I meant to reply there (i'll do that in a sec) but at this point can anyone say for certain that Sapp is a reliable journalist? He's become TMZ or better yet Weekly World News with his clickbait headlines.
TLDR Sapp is suss as fuck in all this mess he's been stirring up for months. Fuck him. Yeah yeah, CM Punk has a history of being a prick and I'm not 100% trying to defend him, maybe like 40% defend him, but yeah Punk can be a prick backstage but I feel like all this shit falls on Sapp and he needs to be held accountable and come clean with who the fuck his sources are imho
Bucks wives? Callis? Butler?
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1 hour ago, Shartnado said:
Why does this shit always happen after All Out? I mean the last time an AEW PPV thread had this much discussion was after Matt Hardy accidentally went splat during that Sammy match, right? And it's always for the wrong reasons, too!
...Oh, the MJF stuff probably had plenty of chatter too, so it's not just All Out, after all.
these are the AEW ones strictly off the top of my head
Dark Order beatdown on Dustin
Aubrey Edwards stealing spotlight from the wrestlers to get herself over
Jericho dadbod/shaq match/get the nba fans to watch
max caster suspension
cody leaving or going
mjf no showing a fanfest
aew picking up too many wwe cast offs around the time of andrade and others coming in for the 1st wave, then again when cole and punk and them made it in last year
fuck i'm outta touch with aew if those are the only ones i recall. i'm sure the doom & gloomers have got way more death knells that generated chatter they can point to
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Well goddamn!
Buncha gems on this one account
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Lmao @ video packages
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Ok this is an interesting take
Everyone loves the returning hero, seemingly, until they flip on a dime and stop loving the hero, seems to be his take
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Spoiler
That tweet says it's footage of Punk vs Nick
More from fucking SRS^^
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Zona 23 or gfto lmao
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8 minutes ago, peterien said:
Rovert is still around? I thought he got discredited numerous times a few years ago.
Thats why I'm looking for any other sources besides him because Nick Jackson is trending for getting ktfo
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42 minutes ago, The Man Known as Dan said:
I guess I will play a tiny bit of devils advocate here, while also saying this shit is stupid and should be left behind closed doors (though that seems to have been nuked with the leaks anyway, but whatever)
If (big if I guess) Punk is being honest and he had nothing to do with Colt being demoted, and the Bucks are the ones leaking the story that he did (which I do think is easily plausible with the history between the 2 and Meltzer), I understand him being livid. That’s absolute petty bullshit from people who are in a position of power on a national brand, and achieves nothing other then lighting fires. Not saying Punk isn’t an asshole in this situation, he 100% is, but if I may steal a Reddit thing, it seems far more likely this is a “Everyones the Asshole” situation instead of just Punk. Once more, assuming Punk is being honest.
Or maybe this bullshit is a work and honestly, if it is I think I’m just out. My least favorite part of wrestling is the personal drama behind the scenes bullshit, and running angles on pressers and through wrestling journalists is the best way to make me give 0 shits about your company.
I think we need to take a deeper look at SRS/Fightful and the possibility that they're operating with an agenda or being flat out used to sow conflict
There's that gem months back kicking off all kinds of speculation
Although I suppose this could be the answer
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September 2022 Wrestling Discussion
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
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Don't tell me the guy who preyed on underage fans isn't someone to be trusted
That's just not possible 
WWE always tells us how their superstars put smiles on the WWE Universes faces 