BloodyChamp
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34 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said:
Oh, nobody is saying TNA wasn't a mess. I'm just saying I don't buy the conventional wisdom that they did their product harm by putting so much focus on established or older stars. And I wish they did even more of such.
Yeah I agree. What I meant was that it was an even bigger mess than WCW, which people consider the very definition of a clusterfuck promotion. TNA squeezed as much confusion into 1 and 2 hours a week as WCW did 90 hours.
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3 hours ago, John from Cincinnati said:
The idea that TNA's fortunes were hampered by them not focusing more on their homegrown stars has always been horseshit. They should have thrown gobs of money around to land Jericho and Big Show when both were getting back into wrestling in the mid-late 2000s. I wish they'd talked Spike into overspending on a painfully unmotivated Goldberg. They should have given Heyman a piece of the company if he could land Brock. I wish they'd gone even harder with established and sometimes over-the-hill stars.
TNA was a bigger mess than WCW ever was. It just didn’t have 90 hours of TV per week so it doesn’t seem like it.
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I agree that Jim Cornette and Vince Russo are working. Now, that’s not to suggest that there isn’t some truth to it. Michael Ps Hayes believed he was purely sexy, Ric Flair believed he was the man, and Jim Cornette believes Vince Russo is the devil.
I second the love for that Super Crazy vs Tajiri match. Tajiri got a few more breaks than Super Crazy but that year long or so run that Super Crazy had was unreal at the time. He basically carried ECW through RVD’s injury and the temporary world title mess they had. That 3 way match with Tajiri and Lynn, on through through the TV title stuff, and the CW Anderson match on TNN where he almost beheaded himself on the table leg, just crazy and I love the guy. Who knows what it could have amounted to had he not had Visa problems.
I’ve mentioned some of mine before like we all have but for now I’ll just name one. Pillman didn’t carry Luger. Luger carried him. Obviously Luger wasn’t carrying a broomstick like Flair was every night but he was carrying a young wrestler who wouldn’t have done as well without a guy like Luger in there with him for his 2 biggest matches at that point in his career.
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2 hours ago, cwoy2j said:
The best WCW spending story is from JJ Dillon's book. He said that when Sting did an appearance with a crow in 1997 they had to spend $5,000 to contract a crow handler. They had to buy plane tickets for the crow handler, the crow and get this...a back-up crow. They did this multiple times, had to pay the crow handler $5K each time and apparently the crow was only in each shot for like 5-10 seconds.
And Eric has said that that was 1 of the coolest Sting moments lol! Eric is like Hogan minus the muscles really. Everything he says is something that justifies something dumb that he did a long time ago, and he’s careful not to expose some other lie in the process.
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I recently saw the Flair/Goldberg match from the main event of Nitro in 98 or 99. It was probably booked on the fly and what does Flair do but go yeah I can carry a dangerous, ungrateful sack of crap to a good main event match for the company that hates me but needs me to do this every week. That sequence where he took all those shoulder blocks then got up to do it again right after was stuff that many better workers probably couldn’t do. And how old was he by then? Jeeze.
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I clearly remembered the move, but I clearly had the match backwards lol! Not even a loss let alone a competitive squash.
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Did Joey ever beat Brad? They wrestled 3 times in WCW that I know of, and 1 was in the Lightweight Title tournament in a good match. They wrestled again on TV in 1997 and the good match they had was referenced. I believe we discussed that in this thread. They had to have more matches when Brad was Bradstreet. Then maybe some somewhere else in territories.
So anyway then there’s this match. It’s like a dose of everything that ever sucked in WCW. This was the second weekend (taped TV) that came after Starrcade 97 I’m pretty sure so it’s basically the beginning WCWSNC Edition. They give us 2 guys we would have paid to watch a long time ago, and 1 of them has WCW Bipolar Disease. The announcers are scrambling to sell the pieces of what was left of the ppv that already happened and nothing good is happening in the ring to tune it out as usual. Sting was screwed for the 80th time and some feud older than the fantasy one in the ring at the time is being plugged. This wasn’t even a WWF feud either because they’d ran out of those lol!
Brad’s only bad match?
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I’m just assuming that Ric Flair was involved in many as champion in WCW even though I can’t name the WCW rematches. I actually remember a weird stretch on WCW TV where he wrestled and beat jobbers on TV as champion in the early 90s. Meanwhile it had to have happened on territory TV a time or 80.
Robbie V wrestled Scotty F in a competitive squash match that I clearly remember where he jumped on the top rope, the rope not the turnbuckle, kept his balance then hit a move. I think it was a moonsault but I might be wrong about that part. I definitely remember the jump though. Insane to see at the time.
There are probably many of these that we’ll never list. Then if you move the goalposts a single inch to include competitive squashes...shit lol
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Fired up Eric Bischoff is 1 of the best announcers ever. I hate it but it’s true. He was a reason those old Nitros were hot.
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Well either way they were making money before the (re)jumpstart so my what if could still happen. Also there’s the accounting stuff which has been talked about here before yes. So who knows. Some of those accountants probably still don’t know wtf all that mess was let alone Eric Bischoff.
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WCW was making money in 4th gear as far back as 1994 wasn’t it? Obviously that wasn’t going to last forever unlessssssss........the whole business as usual thing mentioned above happens. It would then get interesting IMO. Maybe Benoit, Eddie and company make it to the top sooner than later when Hogan quits.
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WCW stock music themes were awesome in spite of the fact that theme music was 1 of the things WCW always lacked. Makes no sense right...well it was just like anything else. The resource they had didn’t suck, what they did with it sucked.
Take Brad Armstrong’s theme. It was also Scott and Steve’s theme, even though they were never an official stable. That still wouldn’t have been a big overlooked deal but then they never won anything. So it was basically these 3 brothers who never win’s theme. I liked the theme and I liked the Armstrongs but that was just such a WCW thing lol!
Then they would get the themes mixed up, play a different one after that match, etc. WCW 4 Life lol!
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There were 20 or so WCW stock music themes that were as cool, including 1 that was for the jobber of all jobbers.
Now obviously I respect El Dandy but that’s what he was to WCW like it or not. He was mocked by heel and face commentators who never agreed on anything else, and didn’t even get the sympathy that the good ole jobbers like George South and Buddy Lee Parker got.
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On 2/20/2020 at 3:49 AM, BloodyChamp said:
I’m looking for another theme out of this mold. It was an 80s sounding guitar driven theme that somehow got played all over the place in the 90s, not just WCW. The only thing I can name it being used for though was Mike Awesome’s first WCW theme. It was WCWSN jobber music before then and promo music a time or 2, and I heard it here and there out in the world. I’m positive it was Mike’s first WCW theme for a few weeks.
Not very good quality but atleast we have it to go by now. Does anybody know it’s name or something else it was used for?
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On 3/3/2021 at 6:58 PM, Curt McGirt said:
Just got to post this for the Dustyisms. He also gets an unexpected crack in against a corny Larryism.
Whoa it’s Pez Whatley! Not a bad Stinger Splash there either by Tenta. So Earthquake, Whatley and Luger all on WCW Pro. Fun times that probably never happened again. -
The show was Robin Hood which was bad, but that angle that night was epic and ya’ll know it. The Adventure of Briscoe County Jr was cool to me as a youngun but I haven’t rewatched it. Ned Blessing INSANE to me as a youngun lol but I haven’t rewatched it either.
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Every old belt is cool. I just love them.
Does anybody know if WCW actually bet on the crowd cheering for the foreigners in the Clash X main event? I know what a big deal kicking Sting out was and everything, and I know about the heat since Starrcade 89 which I still say was great but cheering foreigners in WCW in 1990 who weren’t happy South Americans wasn’t something that happened. I mean the crowd was rabid for that match. That was the last NWA type crowd unless they were that hot at Wrestlewar 90 which I’ve not yet seen.
I saw this as a little Stinger and I was more confused than anything. Then I just rolled with cheering for them against the Horsemen who I never knew as heels. Granted I was part of a small group of people who started with them as faces.
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Hasn’t Bret said that his dream match is vs Angle? HBK is also up there. It doesn’t seem like it but they were the Sting/Flair feud of the WWF. The feud was never really over, even when it wasn’t going on if that makes any sense. Then Sting/Flair was finally over when 1 of only 3 possible things (Sting himself, Flair himself, or the company itself) was over first.
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I enjoyed this thread. All of the correct names were dropped. I’ll just elaborate on a couple.
Hogan wasn’t bad, but heck he only wrestled once a month. Then he never did business of course so screw him and his 3 star matches in late 90s WCW.
I think Ric Flair is underrated here. What? We all know Flair did this and this and this etc etc etc right. Yeah but he was killing it every night until late 99. And he was still the workhorse. He was on every show and he was getting the mess beat out of him every show. He took every move that everybody had. There was no going easy on Flair and there was no taking it easy by him. I swear every back body drop he ever took looked like that one from the SST match. He somehow hung in the air for extra time then WHAM! It doesn’t sound like much because he did it every time but that was impressive for anybody let alone a guy over 40.
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Eric Bischoff is mad
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If anybody wants to see another funny funeral I recommend the vampire funeral episode of The Night Gallery.
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I’m not the biggest Bobby Heenan fan but he was brilliant in that Rumble match. The work he put in there was up there with any dang broadway match that any wrestler was ever in. He was yelling a mile a minute the whole time. I don’t know if it was a coincidence or if he was that good of an actor but the way he lost his voice as soon as it was over was perfect.
I’m all over the rest of this later. Tons of good stuff in here that I either haven’t seen or haven’t seen in forever.
Here’s a pick from me from a period that had a ton of funny stuff imo. I haven’t been able to find much more of it but I also remember the Francine/giant sub sandwich skit, the CW Anderson Mad Lib type promo, and Missy Hyatt/Jack Victory confrontation (ugh...so cringy but just as brilliant) and more.
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Todd and Rip throwing strikes with no closed fists and not hitting the ropes until the finish. I found this looking for a match that I know happened. It was the last time I ever saw Todd IIRC but that part might be wrong. I know this match happened some time though and I never forgot it because it was the only time I ever saw somebody pinned with the headlock counter. 1 2 3. I want to saw it was on Worldwide in 94.
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Well lookey there. A couple of interesting comments in the comments section lol! Anybody have any info on that?
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Your wrestling HOT TAKES
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
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Just to connect a few more dots on the TNA and WCW comparison is my intention here, but it could be taken as another entirely separate take.
I’d mentioned that TNA was nothing but confusion and crap for 1 to a few hours a week, and that WCW only remains the clusterfuck champion because they were that for so many more hours a week. They were on TV every day for a long time counting the syndicated shows. In those additional hours you could find some good stuff and occasional greatness.
In TNA the best I ever found was the occasional, unintentional entertaining train wreck. Everything else sucked. The wrestling sucked, the announcing sucked and the ring sucked. The ring. It was so bad that they managed to give us a reason to complain about the actual ring itself.
The Sting vs Abyss Casket match nearly stealing the greatest Wrestlecrap match honor from the Chamber of Horrors was their peak for me. Greatest Wrestlecrap match is still an honor but almost the greatest, and having nothing else great to brag about, is not.