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  1. VHS tapes were just on my local news! They (the news not the tapes) basically talked about what we talked about and interviewed a collector and went over some things. They added that some mint condition VHS tapes go for 5 or 6 figures. They also said that the VHS comeback hasn’t even peaked, and that they hope they’ll make a comeback the size of the vinyl comeback. 

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  2. I want to throw a random of my own out here. I’ve been watching The X-Files almost every Saturday and Sunday night. It comes on local TV here in blocks. I’d never seen it much because wrestling or football was always on but it’s great like I’ve always heard.

    I’m tell you what though, a YouTube video of every time somebody said “I don’t know” would last longer than a video of Jim Mora saying “you don’t know”, Mike Graham saying “didn’t draw a dime”, Ric Flair saying “Whooooo” and The Rock saying “The Rock” added together Xs 1000. 

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  3. I’ve sold a tape or 2, but only ones that weren’t worth anything or worth ever watching again. And I bought them of course.

    I have more…how do I say it without being vain…valuable crap than many people lol! I won’t sell it either. It wasn’t all mine. My folks and gradfolks were the owners of some of it and they never sold it. 

  4. On 3/15/2024 at 9:18 AM, twiztor said:

    i just want to pop in here and point out that the 80s Transformers and GI Joe cartoons are legitimately good. they're not the fucking Sopranos, or Game of Thrones, or what have you, but for 80s kids TV, animated or not, they are pillars of quality. Their contemporaries: He-Man, Thundercats, MASK, GoBots, et. all., are all objectively of lower quality, but Transformers and GI Joe i found hold up reasonably well for what they are. 

    source: i love cartoons (you may remember my 'Help me find all the cartoons' thread from a few years ago) and finished rewatching those two series a year or two back.

    The first ever episode of Silverhawks has an extended intro that’s better than Gone With the Wind.

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  5. Just now, RazorbladeKiss87 said:

    I've never really watched SMW but just started the TV from 1992 and I have nothing but love for Tim Horner coming out to "The Thunder Rolls."

    SMW TV is possibly the funnest TV to go back and watch. It was week to week, like what people called that male soap opera that was the same way years later. SMW holds up a little better because while it obviously never had the peak that the WWF did, it also didn’t have the things that came with success that make WWF TV not hold up. 

  6. I’m not sure any SCSA list would have a WCW match on it except for Wargames 92. I actually haven’t seen that but I’ve read he bled the most or something which was a big deal back then, and is still a big deal today when done right. Vs Dustin just wasn’t quite up there. I love Dustin as much as everybody else but that match just isn’t up there. Neither is vs Steamboat. Him trying to mat wrestle in WCW just wasn’t even in the same universe as him merely talking in the WWF, let alone brawling and going crazy.

    I haven’t watched vs HBK since but I can’t believe that didn’t make the list even if it wasn’t a clinic. That was 90s Hogan vs Andre. They didn’t have to have a good match. They only had to do 1 thing and they did, even though somebody did try not to.

    Meanwhile in WCW 🙄🙄🙄

    I don’t doubt the Eric or Kevin would drum something up to answer that question but the truth is there was no plan after Starrcade once its original plan didn’t happen. They did have plans for Starrcade had it went as planned which we have discussed but of course it didn’t go that. We’d learn that Eric’s plan was just keeping Hogan happy. Whenever Eric’s head had room  for 1 more thought besides that, that thought was keeping Nash happy. If Sting or Flair no showed in the meantime or if Raven just quit that was no big deal. Then they just made the shows up on the fly every week, even the ppvs in some cases. And that was mostly done by Kevin and Dusty besides the main events, that of course revolved around keeping Eric’s fantasy big brothers happy.

  7. On 3/10/2024 at 4:10 PM, AxB said:

    For all of his long, long WWE run, Chris Jericho was unique in that he liked to change things up. Not only would he change his look and character from time to time, but he'd change his catchphrases, even his speaking cadence in interviews. And any time something he was doing got properly over, he would then stop doing it before it got played out. 

    So it's a bit frustrating that in AEW for the last five years, he's been on his Greatest Hits tour. Whenever he changes things up, it's "We could bring back the Painmaker" or "We could bring back Lionheart*". Never anything fresh and new, other than the fact that his finishing move has a back elbow since 2019 (and that's a real "I need a move I can do when I'm 70" thing).

    Of course, the other thing that kept him fresh was that he would disappear for months at a time to go and be a singer (or work in other forms of non-wrestling entertainment), whilst he's never been away from AEW for more than a couple of weeks at a time. Then again, he's now the second oldest Wrestler on the roster, and Billy Gunn is unlikely to get upgraded into the Sting 'Living Legend' spot. So perhaps he thinks that if he sticks around, at some point he's getting that treatment. Which, I can see his retirement tour being good, but at the moment he's a bit... in WWE, in the scripted entertainment era, he always seemed a little more real and less plastic than most of the boys. But in AEW where everyone seems real, he's the most plastic person there. If he hadn't signed for AEW in 2019, but got cast in a TV show or something, and then he returned to wrestling in 2024, he would get that legend returns deal.

    * If he's returning to his CMLL days, his name should be in Spanish. He was Corazon De Leon in Mexico, he was only Lionheart in Japan and USA/Canada.

    Maybe I’m way off on this one but it seems like multitalented across different forms of entertainment, independent minded, unafraid of anything, unpredictable wrestlers are boring now. What irony. 

  8. 2 hours ago, odessasteps said:

    I’d actually say modern social media was made for Zenk. Imagine if he had a podcast today and how many hot takes and stories he would have.

    Seriously. I mean he would be a peak postprime Iron Sheik sized thing. He would absolutely kill it and never quit slowly growing. 

  9. So was it Tom Zenk? Whoever it was was doing an interview with Ole on a Dave Meltzer show? Or were they talking on Dave’s show? That’s hilarious and would go viral today. Zenk and the internet weren’t ready for each other. We’ve talked about that before.

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  10. I’m not convinced that anybody ever watched or put money into a WCW show to see a good main event match workratewise, atleast not during the hot time we’re talking about. Don’t get me wrong they wanted to see the main event…….for the right guy to win and the right guy to lose. How it happened almost didn’t matter as long as it happened. All the mad fans after all those shows weren’t mad like “wow that wasn’t near as good as Rey Mysterio vs Eddie.” They were mad like “that was really stupid that Sting didn’t win.” In the case of the not smart fans it was the same way. They were like “that was stupid all that for a DQ at the end after the bad guy had already cheated before” or something.

  11. 3 hours ago, SirSmUgly said:

    That is a big disagree for me, with a handful of caveats.

    I think they had a bunch of main eventers who could go. And that goes for some of the guys who weren't known as great workers - Lex Luger in 1996 is legitimately great on PPV as far as I'm concerned, and his Starrcade match with the Giant is excellently worked on both their parts. 

    But in 1996 and 1997, they had Hall, Nash, Giant, Luger, Page, Flair and Savage doing good-to-great work, Goldberg doing solid stuff, and later Sting getting in the ring again and even the Hitman, who was going at three-quarters speed, putting together solid work. You add a bunch of guys positioned below them who are doing athletic, explosive work (Benoit, Rey, Eddy, Booker, etc.), and a few low-carders who are good fun (Mike Enos is consistently enjoyable whenever he pops up), and the work is really enjoyable when the booking moves out of the way. 

    We can criticize Hulk Hogan all day, and he's one of the caveats. He's actually putting in decent work in 1996, but by mid-1997 a) he's fallen well off a cliff in athleticism and b) he's stopped working most matches like a cowardly heel, which he was doing right after the heel turn, and is taking way too much of these matches.

    Roddy Piper is another caveat as he was washed almost immediately after dropping the Intercontinental Championship to the Hitman and is in way too many main event spots over this time.

    One final caveat is that the undercard is often a mess. WCW shows rarely start with hot cruiserweight action, especially the Nitros, even though they somehow got a rep for doing that. 

    I think WCW was absolutely a workrate promotion, though. They'd give Eddy and Chavo sixteen minutes on PPV or let Jericho and Juvi have fifteen minutes on PPV regularly. I actually think in 1998, both companies were workrate promotions. There were consistently excellently-worked 10+ minute matches on PPV in both those companies. I think WCW was more likely to give you compelling in-ring work on weekly television, but PPVs generally produced at least one or two matches with awesome work, if not more. And my hot take is that Austin was pretty boring on PPV in 1998. It's not his fault that he had to work Kane and 'Taker (who I think he has awful chemistry with) for a lot of it, but meh, Austin had a better '99 and a way better '01 in the main event spot. 

    I think the big problem for WCW in the Bischoff era was the finishes. WCW couldn't book a finish to save their lives, specifically in the main event, and WWF could. WCW never had the strength of booking screwy finishes that were somehow satisfying, but that was well within Vinnie Jr.'s skillset. As swerves and screwjobs became more important features of wrestling matches, particularly once the calendar ticked to 1999, WCW was never going to do well. The other issue is that they tried to match WCW with shorter match times and more angles and talking, and again, WWF had the far better and more talented roster when the focus shifted to angles and talking and away from medium-length or long matches. 

    One specific thing about late-stage WCW that I've been considering: I'm coming around to the idea that losing Chris Jericho to the competition was more shattering for WCW than I ever figured. I think it both signaled something about how WCW was fucking lame and WWF was the place to be, and it deprived WCW of arguably their best talker for the then-modern style of jokes, catchphrases, and creative skits. 

    I digress, though. I think WCW's rep as the workrate promotion is fairly given, but is obscured by bad finishes, an undercard that was inconsistently booked, a move toward less work and more yapping that came to a peak in 1999, and the fact that Hogan and Piper spent a lot of time in main events. 

    This is just word salad on a plate that just needed some lettuce lol! Yes Sting, Savage and the others could still go. It all means precisely jack when Hogan refused to lose to them.

    WCW could book fine. They booked the 2 year long, very detail oriented NWO run until Starrcade and they had that booked right to start with until…you know. 

    The undercard, I don’t want to say it didn’t matter, but I might say the booking didn’t matter. This is how good WCW had it. All they had to do was put almost any 10 minute match on any card, feud or not and it would have been good enough as long as the main event involved a feud with the right heat and right finish. That’s speaking broadly to prove the point. “A feud” is really incorrect. “The feud,” NWO vs WCW was it. They didn’t need anything else heat, storyline etc wise by Starrcade and beyond for a while. Put 2 guys out there who could have a good match and let them have it or put something like Crush vs Chris Jericho out there if you just had to do some kind of booking. Book the young guy to win and in that case that would be good enough workrate aside. 
     

     

  12. Johnny J’s point stands………but it also was because of Hogan 90% of the time so AxB is right too. Then there was Nash screwing it up occasionally yes. Them 2 fuckrags were just useless after 1997, and useless the whole time if you assume they were never going to do business anyway, which is a safe assumption.

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  13. Lord at the matches I still haven’t seen, by my favorite childhood wrestler even. I knew that already but hadn’t thought hard about until just now when I tried to make a list. I could make a list that would be respected IMO but that still wouldn’t cut it. I’m going to get around to watching something here soon though dang it. Him retiring to rave reviews has motivated me to do it. I have a real big effing problem watching matches without watching the whole show. I have almost all the matches on the 2 DVD sets, and I never missed a TV show back in the day. I even have a pretty good tape collection but those last 2 examples obviously came altogether. The DVD sets were obviously cherrypicked and there’s a difference to me. I’m going to have to get tf over it though I know.

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  14. Every time I open FB I see another face from Sting’s past doing a cameo, and I even seen where somebody stole a picture of Luger who didn’t look to bad considering he was picture ambushed. The whole show was like a party for everybody’s favorite old man, who had never had a party like that thrown for him and everybody in the world showed up and, the fact that some of them got paid is no different than money having to be spent to get some of the old man’s old friends to his party safely. Meanwhile the younguns at the party did all the grunt work and they did it proud. Such a good night of just…stuff. 

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  15. 6 hours ago, JohnnyJ said:

    The high of a fantastic night of live wrestling is euphoric. Every once in a while in the middle of failed Wardlow pushes and Rock trying to be hip, everything clicks. If you could bottle it we would spend our lives walking on clouds. These are the nights that keep us coming back. Enjoy it and cherish it because these nights just don't come around very often.

    AEW has been so snakebit for so long. It felt nice for them to get a win for once and remind us who they are. 

     

    And it mostly involved Sting, who had been on the cusp of nights like this so many times for them to be screwed up. Let me tell everybody something - between Sting winning/resolving something the right way on a major ppv, Brett Favre with the ball at Texas Stadium, Kyle Shanahan with the ball in the second half, and Billy the Goat, I was taking Sting winning last.

    And to expand on your point further, we watch a sports game and our team can win and unless everything goes perfectly we walk away mad calling is a bad win. Anything bad we can get out of a sports game we find it. In wrestling anything good we can get out of a show we find it. That’s why we want to see guys like Sting bring it to the glory that they deserve. 

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  16. 4 hours ago, The Natural said:

    I've always said Starrcade 1997 was the beginning of the end for WCW.

    https://deathvalleydriver.com/forum/index.php?/topic/10224-wcw-starrcade-1997-25-years-later-the-start-of-the-end-for-wcw/#comments

    Fuck Hollywood Hogan and fuck Eric Bischoff.

    My first post from that thread:

    Winning a round against Vince isn’t “beating” Vince. Vince beat Eric. WWF beat WCW, and it was all because of Starrcade.

    I know I know alot of other dumb stuff happened but they were just nails in the coffin. The coffin was Starrcade. I don’t even buy the “yeah but” concerning Sting being out of shape. Was Hogan in shape? Was ANY WCW champion since a young STING ever in shape? I wish Sting would have challenged Hogan to a lap around the building. It might have killed Hogan. I think I said that in the other 25 years thread. Heck not long after this the criteria for being champion was to be out of shape as Dean Malenko pointed out lol! 

    So seriously, fuck Hogan. He ruined it. He ruined it all. It was the best build up to a match ever. Better than Hogan/Andre, better than Austin/HBK, and better than everything else. Hogan wussed out of doing business because he’s a chickenshit and a liar. And that’s really all there is to it. 

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  17. 2 hours ago, Technico Support said:

    What's this?

     

    Dick Slater beat Sting up for effin with Dark Journey who he was in love with. The details across shoots have been different. Some say Slater clocked him from behind then beat him up, some say he caught him coming out of the dumper and gave him a swirly, some say it was a straight up fight that Slater won. Dark Journey’s status has been told differently also. She was a stripper who Slater had met at a stripclub so some say he was crushing a little too hard, and that they were never together in her mind in real life. It all ended every which way with Slater roughing Sting up though.

  18. 21 hours ago, SirSmUgly said:

    While I don't totally line up with this list, I line up with it enough that I would like to submit it as evidence that Vader was Sting's best opponent, and it's not even close. If Flair is second, it's a distant second. 

    It’s been a long time but I remember it being discussed that Vader was Sting’s best opponent, followed by the Steiners, complete with the match he had vs Scott on TNA TV in the beginning there being a huge letdown because people were expecting so much from it. Luger was even ranked higher than Flair to some when it was considered that they had 2 very good matches in 1989 before Luger quit caring, followed by his getting worse and worse in the ring all the matches later.

    Ric Flair did alot for Sting on the other end of the business. He could have had a good match with Sting back in 1988 without making him look as good as he did but he didn’t and did both Xs 1000. Ric had a point about fans expecting certain wrestlers expecting certain moves also, especially when they’re named after the wrestler doi. Stinger Splash. They could have mixed it up a little more though. Granted a real, unspoken reason for Flair’s explanation was that he just plain couldn’t do anymore than he was doing by about 1988. He was still great but he wasn’t as great as he was in the ring in 1983. Sting knew all that Flair did to help him so he wasn’t about to have a match with him any way besides Flair’s way.

    The fact that only the GAB 90 match comes up anymore is a testament to what we’re talking about because that’s only there for the heat. That match wasn’t that good. At all. And the good Flair matches were topped when Sting was in there with somebody who was all out.

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  19. 2 hours ago, The Natural said:

    It was a spectacle and I was emotionally invested. Sting's a sentimental favourite as well. It's why I have Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton vs. Batista at WrestleMania XXX as a ***** also. Probably only one who ever has. I tend to be more generous with ***** as well. I'm too nice, man.

    It is Sting, which makes it great to begin with. Sting is my Meng. Ftw.

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  20. Reading everything online this morning…I’m going to have to watch this wow. I can’t believe Sting was actually involved in a real payoff match that was built up, that paid off in the minds of everybody. I wish I could have seen it but besides that I’m happy. 

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  21. I was disappointed to see Doug Gilbert being an asshole about Sting on FB, for never mentioning Eddie. He does have a point but I doubt Sting really knew Eddie that well. Eddie was too busy chasing Missy Hyatt around and Sting wasn’t getting in the middle of that after he’d got in the middle of Dick Slater and Dark Journey. 

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