Robert S
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6 hours ago, Ziggy said:
Is Straton apart of the main roster ? I was most impressed by her. Because Naomi is fresh off returning, I expected more of a reaction from the Audience.
That main event dragged on but it was cool to see Rhea main event
It probably did not help that Naomi looked completely washed up.
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57 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
Meltzer made a great point the other day about how, generalizing here, real sports' athletes have such a different mentality than wrestlers. For the most part, athletes understand their worth to the team and expect to be paid accordingly. Wrestlers, on the other hand, mostly are just happy to be there and approach their job from a "this promoter took a chance on me" point of view. One recognizes their worth and demands things. The other feels like their success is all owed to someone else, instead of understanding that this someone saw value in their skills, something they could make money on. There's no doubt in my mind that Vince absolutely played this shit to the hilt his entire career and it's easy to see how Cena was absolutely Jedi mind tricked here. I'm sure he feels he owes his life to Vince and not his own talents.
Looking at how the business works it's no wonder that wrestlers have inferiority complexes in that regard. A talented young person in any sport is a hot commodity that may be treated sometimes too well (that they start to believe their own hype and don't work hard enough to reach their full potential - pro sports is full of such people), in wrestling the veterans will tell you that what you do is shit (and probably a lot of times simply that you yourself are shit) from day one, you have to start at the bottom of the foodchain and work your way up for years and years and years long after you might be ready for the top. At a certain point you will either quit or start to believe what you are told. You have to be very stable mentally not to end up with deep psychological issues. I am sure that the drugs and the alcohol are not just to treat the pain and because you are on the road a lot. I would assume even the biggest stars might take it hard when they are pushed away from the top. Flair is the most prominent example, but I am sure that he is not the exception but the rule here.
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24 minutes ago, Infinit said:
Drew
Damn, I hate it that my mind went into the exact same direction. I blame Russell Crowe and John Oliver.
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Regarding that Cena interview, my reaction can be easily summed up:
The only way to get Cena distance himself from Vince probably would be China threating to ban his next movie.
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22 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:
I’ve been thinking about Billy Jack and his situation is right up there with Chris Benoit. He freaking shot his wife. Maybe it wasn’t as much of a shock to hear about this coming from him and maybe he has a whole other shit list of things, which makes it seem like less of a deal but is there much else really that comes close? The answer is yes I know but that also doesn’t make this any less of a tragedy IMO. Also this list of what else isn’t that long. I feel sorry for the guy and I always have for similar reasons that I felt sorry for Chris Benoit. I’m not necessarily excusing him either which is a discussion we’ve had about many tragedies but I thought I would go ahead and say that before he dies and it sounds like I’m looking back with rose colored glasses. He can’t have long himself.
On a quick glance - just from the couple of lines I have read so far about the case - it might be a completely different situation. His wife was 85, suffering from dementia and Haynes was taking care of her. In cases like this the likeliest scenario is that Haynes was overwhelmed with the situation, could not see any other way out resp. forward than murder-suicide (the stand-off with the cops might have been an attempt at suicide-by-cop) and in the end did not go through with the suicide. Still a very tragic situation, but not in the least comparable with the Benoit case. Trying to understand the Benoit case inevitably leads you to think about concussions, steroids, other drugs, friends dying left and right and yes also previous behavioural problems that pre-date a lot of other issues, the Haynes case on the surface does not require that, it seems rather simple and similar cases happen often enough that it is barely news-worthy (though, again, still tragic).
Of course, I could be completely off trying to read what happened why and the case might be very different.
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3 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
Where I am in my rewatch, they're debuting all these guys at a breakneck speed but none of them are making any sort of waves. Hakushi is the only one, but he's been miscast as a heel. However, you have old HOG, Aldo Montoya, Kama, Bundy, Man Mountain Rock, MANTAUR!, the Blu Brothers. There are probably one or two I am forgetting. However, it's like get someone over and then bring in the next guy.
Road Dogg technically came in in late 94 as well. Apart from that, I think Tekno Team 2000 and Jean-Pierre Laffite are probably debuting soon in your rewatch.
Man Mountain Rock is a weird case. He has a great look, is a legit amateur wrestling All American and had a gimmick that was (I think) not complete bullshit. Yet, he completely suck in the the couple of squashes I have seen from that timeframe. I know he was involved in the Cactus Jack vs. Nasty Boys feud (though I vaguely remember him dangerously, recklessly even, blowing stuff in the Clash match that set up the Superbrawl match), was he any good besides that in WCW?
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17 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
The Shawn/Adam Bomb match just happened (where Shawn beats him really fast and Adam Bomb looks like an idiot) a week prior to where I am so Shawn is already getting "fuck this guy" heat with certain guys.
The booking is just nonsensical in that Shawn/Bam Bam/Diesel are these heels in late 1994. By May 1995, all of them babyfaces for no reason although they had been building Diesel up to turn on Shawn since August 1994. Out of three guys, you can only justify a babyface turn for one of them. Maybe. You can say "well, the Million Dollar Corporation has been in fighting since Survivor Series." Except Tatanka is now anti-over (he's under) cause the Luger program went so long and was so atrocious. Bundy came in and looked pretty bad. How he gets the spot against Taker at WrestleMania... I have no earthly clue. I think Kama is about to join and the Supreme Fighting Machine gimmick doesn't resonate at all. It is a group of not over heels who job in the most important matches.
You can see why the Kliq became powerful. Vince is just mashing buttons hoping for a hit.
I have been rewatching that timeframe over the last years and the booking is so weird. Business might not have been great, but TV etc. was hot in 93 and in the earlier parts of 94. Around summer, it got completely shit. Not sure if it's a coincidence, but the steroid trial ended in late July 94, ergo Vince suddenly had much more time to focus on TV. And you got the "great" Luger vs. Tatanka feud ("you sold out, I saw you", "no I haven't", "yes, you have" ...), Undertaker vs. Undertaker (the angle started in June or so, and I guess they wanted to go there probably since they did Rumble 94, but still), Team Doink vs. Team Lawler, one unwatchable TV match after the other (I could swear that every Raw match either had Jeff Jarrett stalling for 10 minutes, Lex Luger (who I think mentally checked out after Wrestlemania X) going through the motions or Doink period), etc. Also while Jerry Lawler might be a good promo, I don't need a 10 minute King's Court segment every f'n week.
And as you mentioned, it did not get better, Undertaker was stuck in one bad program after another (don't forget him vs. the world's sweatiest man) for the whole year of 95, the Million Dollar Corporation which should have been killed off at the latest after Wrestlemania 11 goes on for the whole year as well, the bring in some decent talent but put them in horrible gimmicks (Chris "Skip" Candido (incl. Sunny who was a main event talent stuck with an undercard gimmick) and Louie "Rad Radford" Spicolli are the first that come to mind; not sure if "Dean" Douglas should count because that was partly a PG version of his ECW gimmick; I guess Waylon Mercy was a neat idea, though I doubt that would have worked even with 89 Danny Spivey) and others are just used badly. WWF on paper did not have a bad roster in 94 or 95, but they used it so bad.
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2 hours ago, Andrew POE! said:
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Eventually, we'll see one console and one publisher if this keeps up.
As long as consoles make good money (and I assume they do) that's not the movement I expect to see. Rather hardware and software architectures will get even more similar so that developing multiple platform games (or at least porting games) becomes cheaper, at least on the Microsoft and Sony front - I don't see Nintendo's business model (underpowered hardware that is sold - compared to the competition and the performance - overprized fueled by exclusive first part games) stop working as long as they are able to put out a new Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart or Smash Bros. once a year.
What I mean: Sony is on the second generation using an x86 architecture, same for Microsoft. Even the bigger game developers nowadays use the same middleware or even full game engines. And the time will come when not even EA fill bother with Frostbite and go Unreal Engine - either that or they will try to sell (license) Frostbite (or whatever they will have by that point).
Of course I might be completely wrong and in ten years there will only be cloud gaming (not that I really believe in that, I can't imagine how latency will even become low and stable enough for action-based games, at least not on a geographically wide-scaled basis).
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4 hours ago, SirSmUgly said:
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Regarding the Rock's likability, I think he was way more likeable as a pro wrestler than as a movie star. He hit the A-list and immediately got vaguely creepy like Tom Cruise has seemingly been his whole life.
Do you mean the wrestling character The Rock? I don't know, even as a face he was pretty much a dick to everyone.
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12 hours ago, Kang said:
Just one more....
Per PWInsider, a bench warrant was issued for Teddy Hart. Teddy didn't show up for his court date.
Time to revive the IsTeddyHartInJail Twitter account.
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28 minutes ago, AxB said:
The Sleaze thread was 19 and a half years ago, and I'm pretty sure that 90%+ of the people who joined to post to it aren't here any more.
Amusingly, I did see some random on twitter trying to discourse that DVDVR takes "too much credit" for the Sleaze Thread, considering it was immediately reposted to every wrestling forum that existed at the time, and a lot of the posts in their were from people who joined to post to it, rather than existing regulars.
I was mostly lurking back then but my impression was that the sleaze thread came and went and was barely a thing for at least a decade, was only brought up here for a side remark here and there.
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59 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
I guess we'll never know how much Netflix would have paid for Raw if Cody went over at WM39. But the machine just rolls on without regards to their decisionmaking and the "millionaire who should be a billionaire" secondguessing can't be stopped (I think now it's "billionaire who should be a multi-billionaire")
Actually now it's "billionaire who should be in jail".
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10 hours ago, Casey said:
On the other side of the spectrum, John Cena is doing SuperBowl ads for a gambling company. So, fuck ‘em both?
John Cena did an appearance on Colbert and there was no word on Vince or anything about that topic. And considering that the questions are pre-agreed on, you can't blame Colbert here. So yes, John Cena sucks.
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6 hours ago, piranesi said:
All great new keywords that will need to be added into keyword search on everyone’s favorite streaming platform!
Moment .... nope, no hits on Netflix and Peacock.
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11 hours ago, zendragon said:
Batista has been good in James Bond, Dune and Bladerunner. He’s really carved a nice career as a character actor. He’s also in the new Del Torro film The Boy and The Heron. Cena did good voice acting Ferdinand The Bull Austinnwas good in that hunting humans movie he did
The Boy and The Heron is a Miyazaki film, I think the only connection to Guillermo Del Toro is that Del Toro introduced the movie at the Toronto International Film Festival. (or am I missing a joke here?)
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Random question: I like procedurals. Does that make me a bad person?
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If I would not be too lazy I would post the old meme. Step 1: acquire lot of studios. Step 2: ??? Step 3: $$$
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2 hours ago, Go2Sleep said:
People can be victims in some circumstances and predators/enablers in others. Vince himself was a victim of physical and sexual abuse as a child. In no way does it excuse his actions as an adult. It's possible to have sympathy for Stephanie for what she went through as a child (and given some of the long standing rumors out there...), but she isn't immune from consequences if she enabled Vince as an adult by doing clean-up work for him to stay in power.
After reading Josie Abraham's book on Vince and what she found out when looking into Vince's childhood and adolescence I would be careful in taking Vince's word about that. His personal history according to himself is full of exaggerations and transpositions (I don't think that's the right term, what I mean is that some stories that he told did not seem to be his own ones but things that he saw or heard of). I am sure that there was some physical and verbal abuse in his childhood, I am not sure about the sexual part and also if the abuse that he experienced exceeded what an average child of his generation had to endure.
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1 hour ago, Dolfan in NYC said:
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It's really tough to maintain your principles when you're a tech being shown a picture by the insane billionaire boss of the company, and you really need this job. Not saying there's not a right or wrong here, but there were probably a bunch of people who needed to make some very difficult choices.
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Now would be the time for those people to stand up and at the very least testify in court. TKO would have to be really, really stupid to fire someone in this scenario. Disregarding the potential law suits, imagine the press they would get.
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11 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
Hell, I didn't know there was a doc. However, I had watched interviews with Rob Morvan (re: Milli Vanilli) and researched a bit to know the group was just an amalgamation of different male (and female) singers w/ Rob and Fab as the lip syncing front men. Boney M, on the hand, was Frank singing all of Bobby Farrell's parts. AFAIK, the female singers of the group actually sung their parts.
Reg. Boney M, one of the female singers' voice (Maizie Williams) was not used in studio recordings. Farrell and Williams did sing during live performances, though.
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Frank Farian, best known as songwriter, producer and singer of Boney M. and basically being Milli Vanilli, passed away yesterday at the age of 82.
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On 1/22/2024 at 11:46 PM, Infinit said:
Has anyone ever been to obscure yet pro wres identifiable town before?
I once was in Bucksnort, Tennessee.
Depends on your definition of obscure. I have been to quite a bunch of central European towns that are hometowns of pro wrestlers that made it in the US, e.g. Lucerne, Switzerland (Claudio's hometown) - most not really obscure to a European though probably somewhat obscure for an American. Apros pos Claudio: I have driven past the Alpamare as in "Alpamare Waterslide" - a move Claudio uses - dozens of time (though never been inside). Did WWE ever announce Fabian Aichner's / Giovanni Vinci's hometown (a small town in South Tyrol, Italy)? Because I have been in that region quite often (mostly driving through, though).
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2 hours ago, zendragon said:
Rey v Eddie but I dont know how many matches they had beside Halloween Havoc
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There was the (acclaimed) series on Smackdown in 05 where they fought for Dominick's custodianship - I guess Rey is regretting now that he won that feud.
Also a year after the apuesta match, there were a bunch of matches centered around the initial lWo.
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12 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:
Currently thinking about a world where TNA rebrands as Turner Nonstop Action in 2005 post-FSN/pre-Spike in order to get on a Ted network.
Barnett as in Jim Barnett who turned 80 in 2004, had severe health issues and died in that year?
2024 Wrestling RIP thread
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
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Cornette recently had a great story about what Bill Dundee apparently once said about Ole: "Ole Anderson likes to fuck but he don't (sic!) like to come. He just wants to fuck all the time he don't wanna come. He just wants to fuck. He is miserable."