Robert S
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10 hours ago, Matt D said:
Tony looks like the dad in an 80s sitcom where a lovable Soviet soldier accidentally lands in America and befriends the kids of a suburban family and they have to hide him from the nosy neighbors.
So are you trying to say that Tony looks like a crack addict on that picture?
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3 hours ago, sabremike said:
If WCW got a buck every time Dave misses to properly set a comma or a full-stop in the WON, they would still be running today.
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13 hours ago, odessasteps said:
I think some were better know than others. IIRC, the New Zealand ones were known about at the time or soon after, but the Caribbean ones not until later. I seem to recall the Apter mags discussing some of them.
Hisa's site (don't remember if that was an angelfire or geocities site) definitely had all double-changes (including the Colon double-change) besides the Veneno one listed in the late 90ies.
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39 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
Alvarez & Meltzer were talking over the weekend about Vince starting a new promotion (they said nah to that one) and their key question was, "who would he be able to get?"
Now come on. That's the one problem he wouldn't have. He could lean into the whole "people used to love me talking about my genetic jackhammer and grapefruits! Woke wrestling cancelled me!" thing and hire every sexual predator, MAGA choad, and otherwise undesirable currently not working or not working much and looking for a payday. Off the top of my head:
- Marty Scurll
- David Starr
- Jack Gallagher
- Joey Ryan
- Jimmy Havoc
- Michael Elgin
- That one Crist brother
- Tyrus
- Tessa Blanchard
- Alberto Del Rio
- Flip Gordon
- Tyrus
- That one neo nazi/neo nazi-adjacent deathmatch guy whose name escapes me
Shit, he could promote it on Truth Social
Some other prominent wrestlers that come to mind:
- Low Ki (he probably would not make it even to the first show)
- Austin Aries (he would be gone within a couple of weeks)
- Drake Younger
- Jaxson Ryker
- Velveteen Dream
- El Ligero
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11 hours ago, odessasteps said:
The company had 6/7 bad years (depending on how you classify 1989) and then had 2 red hot years. Easy to belive the bubble would burst (finger poked).
How many of those years were financially really bad or at least as bad as was reported back then? One of the biggest learnings from Nitro (the book) was that accounting at Turner & Timer Warner was a mess and the real numbers WCW did were much better than how it ended up being in the books.
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56 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
Could somebody make a gif of the Pedigree (attempt) on Rocky? I'm trying to imagine it and can't gather if it's his arms or his back that couldn't bend. It sounds like trying to Pedigree one of those old LJN WWF figures.
That Pedigree gave me a good laugh. My assumption was that the arms were the problems. Considering that Cody did not even try to bend the arms I assume they did run through the bigger spots beforehand in the PC and there were issues with a lack of flexability of a certain 51-year-old.
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21 hours ago, Technico Support said:
His completely serious defense is that he went to shake hands with her and his hand got caught on the string of her pants.
That's like that time I tripped and fell ass first right onto a dick. It happens.
That reminds me of a classmate in school who accidentally grabbed a teacher by her tits. It went something like we was walking around a right corner, for whatever reason had his hands up and was talking (and looking) to a colleague on his left side. Obviously the teacher was also walking around that corner in the other direction. From what I got the guy (who was around 15-16 from what I remember) was really embarrassed while the teacher (who from what I remember was pretty young and good looking - just to paint a picture) took it cool (because it was obvious that it was not on purpose).
On the other hand, how is anyone expected to take a move or strike from Gulak if he can't even hit a stationary target like a hand. Or is he also used to thigh slapping that he even wants to do that when shacking somebody's hand?
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3 hours ago, Matt D said:
Was a near thing at times in the last two months, but ultimately made the call not to head up. We had some family stuff in February that I didn't know how it'd fall and it fell just bad enough that we made the decision to treat the kids on Spring Break with a trip. Just got back from that (and they had a blast) but the time off work and expense and some lingering stuff pushed the needle far enough that it doesn't make sense for me to take off two more days from work and miss a couple of extra days with the kids and burden the wife. I hope everyone has a great time though and I'll catch the show on IWTV and hopefully write it up on SC as Phil and Eric will be busy creating history as the modern day Toots Mondt and Jack Pfefer.
So you are expecting Somalia Joe and Wayne "the Cock" Johnston to be on the card?
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13 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
The only real time I remember him is his debut which was done to complete silence cause 90% of the crowd didn't learn about Apartheid in South Africa or was born after it was ending/ended. He cut a few short promos on Raw and that was pretty much it before Callis replaced him.
However, it's crazy that he was the 1st victim of the "we need you to be able to wrestle even though we hired you to just manage".
Even the name of name of the group was weird. I mean the Truth and Reconciliation Commission was not a white supremacist group and it did not control a militia or whatever that group was supposed to be or stand for.
Did Vince have financial interests in South Africa in the 80ies that suffered by the end of Apartheid? Because this really reeks like Vince's MO: Vince hates paying taxes -> here comes Irwin R. Schyster, he distrusts lawyers -> hello, Clarence Mason, he feels televangelists are a joke -> hey Brucy, I've got an idea, he is a lifelong republican -> let's put some Clinton impersonator on PPV, Lawler, make as many Clinton jokes as you can think of on Raw, how about having Gennifer Flowers at Wrestlemania 14? fake Clinton was such a great idea, let's repeat this with a fake Obama etc. etc. etc.
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44 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
I think I saw about 79.
Edit - Okay, it looks to be 1,200, actually. 79 is from one of the 5 lawsuits that got eventually consolidated into one.
335 million divided by 1200, so basically the money goes straight to the lawyers.
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6 hours ago, S.K.o.S. said:
New wrestling crossword!
https://twitter.com/avalanchestyle/status/1769006958902648838
16:55, probably a new personal best for me, I only had to brute force a single letter, but the answer to 31 across is really stupid.
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9 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:
Holy crap, I just realized that Villano stands for villain!
So this made look up false friends between English and Spanish to make a silly joke, but I ended up almost empty handed (for one, because the ones with wrestling connections are way to obvious, I mean no one would think Julio Dinero translated to "Jules Dinner" or "Sin Caras" meant "sinn faces"). Though it's funny that a significant bunch of them also work as false friends between English and German (obviously there are also ones that work between Spanish and German, but that was to be expected considering that German and English are closer related to each other).
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22 minutes ago, AxB said:
You can say product now. (...)
I thought those filters are gone for almost a decade now. Let me try: OMG, meh, DOI
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13 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:
Yeah, good points one and all. A lot of people probably didn't even know he was sick considering how reticent he was to talk about the diagnosis, or about the funeral until afterwards. His wife was clearly upset about it, but specifically about Vince.
Probably more important to think is that John was such a good man, he would have understood the circumstances and not been upset.
Regarding people not knowing that he had cancer: my memory might be completely off considering that was 20 years ago, but didn't he have either a blog or a website where he was quite open about his bout cancer? Quick googling at least showed that he seemed to post on the Wrestlecrap board. Here is a reddit post (I guess from one of Tenta's sons) containing a screenshot of a Tenta post from August 2005:
(I assume that's legit.)
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20 hours ago, odessasteps said:
If Ole would take $150,000 to get screwed over by Jim Herd, the other part doesn’t surprise me.
for those who want to listen, JC’s tribute to Ole is about an hour long.
Cornette had actually a good line about Ole's time working under Herd, something like "it was against his religion to not take this kind of money".
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2 hours ago, zendragon said:
Speaking of Bullshit in bio's. Hogan's story about Pat Patterson trying to get him to blow him in 77 before his first match has to go on the lie list right?
It's Hogan, so 95% yes, though at the very least Patterson really worked the show where Hogan had his first match (at least according to cagematch). On the Hogan-lie-scale this at least hits the mark "does not violate obvious facts like the laws of physics and does not require necromancy".
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Is thigh slapping worse than stomping when doing punches or similar strikes?
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49 minutes ago, Robert C said:
Ive never seen or heard of anybody laying off most of a hardware design team post project completion. I’ve seen it after a project cancellation, but only once. And I’ve been through an insane number of cancellations. Normally our next project is lined up long before the current one finishes.
Probably a bunch of reasons for that. Hardware designers are a pain in the ass to find and hire. So many specialties that don’t carry over to one another easily. Also, the work that occurs after something gets released frequently is as much as the pre silicon work.
What does happen frequently is shifting whole teams to work on a project that’s got behind, then moving to some other emergency once they’re done with the first. Been there plenty of times. It sucks, but it beats getting laid off.
Okay, I probably should have prefaced it that I was not comparing that on a layoff level. In central Europe, Austria more specifically, doing mass layoffs just to optimize profits for stockholders is not that easy legally anyway. I was thinking about a current hardware project, for which over the last decade the size of the hardware team was maybe doubled. This project is slowly coming to an end (after taking about three times as initially planned and costing about five times as much) and management is getting nervous because they have loads of specialists that they won't need for a decade or so reg. new development. But you are definitely right: there is a lot of work to be done to keep the product on the market (fixing issues with early series, replacing parts that become unavailable etc.).
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20 hours ago, Technico Support said:
I worked for a smaller studio for a few years (you wouldn't know them, they did a lot of subcontracting where the big company gets to slap their name on the finished product -- but I do have two credits on MobyGames, which is hilarious) and this is just how the industry works. We had three rounds of layoffs when I was there, always coinciding with the end of development. It's a joke of an industry where all jobs are really just temp jobs. Hire like crazy for the ramp-up, then layoff all but a core group when you're finished the project. I always got the impression that the workers lived by fooling themselves into thinking they were going to be the ones allowed to stay and that the other guy would be the one let go. But yeah, I, too, saw good people, who'd given so much of their lives, shown the door with zero notice.
I guess that's the story of software development turned up to 11. You start up with a team of what you think is a sensible size, after a couple of delays realize that there is no way that you can keep your target (date and/or content-wise) and add loads of people to that project, completely ignoring Brook's law ("Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later."). Once the project is done (one way or the other), you are left with a huge team without much to do, because of course you don't start to think about the next project while the current one is still running (and the current project is always the only thing that is really important) or even better slowly move resources out of one project and move it into the other so that you have a smooth transition when the first project hits market. Looking at my company, hardware development probably is not that much different either.
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Cornette recently had a great story about what Bill Dundee apparently once said about Ole: "Ole Anderson likes to fuck but he don't (sic!) like to come. He just wants to fuck all the time he don't wanna come. He just wants to fuck. He is miserable."
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6 hours ago, Ziggy said:
Is Straton apart of the main roster ? I was most impressed by her. Because Naomi is fresh off returning, I expected more of a reaction from the Audience.
That main event dragged on but it was cool to see Rhea main event
It probably did not help that Naomi looked completely washed up.
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57 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
Meltzer made a great point the other day about how, generalizing here, real sports' athletes have such a different mentality than wrestlers. For the most part, athletes understand their worth to the team and expect to be paid accordingly. Wrestlers, on the other hand, mostly are just happy to be there and approach their job from a "this promoter took a chance on me" point of view. One recognizes their worth and demands things. The other feels like their success is all owed to someone else, instead of understanding that this someone saw value in their skills, something they could make money on. There's no doubt in my mind that Vince absolutely played this shit to the hilt his entire career and it's easy to see how Cena was absolutely Jedi mind tricked here. I'm sure he feels he owes his life to Vince and not his own talents.
Looking at how the business works it's no wonder that wrestlers have inferiority complexes in that regard. A talented young person in any sport is a hot commodity that may be treated sometimes too well (that they start to believe their own hype and don't work hard enough to reach their full potential - pro sports is full of such people), in wrestling the veterans will tell you that what you do is shit (and probably a lot of times simply that you yourself are shit) from day one, you have to start at the bottom of the foodchain and work your way up for years and years and years long after you might be ready for the top. At a certain point you will either quit or start to believe what you are told. You have to be very stable mentally not to end up with deep psychological issues. I am sure that the drugs and the alcohol are not just to treat the pain and because you are on the road a lot. I would assume even the biggest stars might take it hard when they are pushed away from the top. Flair is the most prominent example, but I am sure that he is not the exception but the rule here.
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24 minutes ago, Infinit said:
Drew
Damn, I hate it that my mind went into the exact same direction. I blame Russell Crowe and John Oliver.
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Regarding that Cena interview, my reaction can be easily summed up:
The only way to get Cena distance himself from Vince probably would be China threating to ban his next movie.
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The Viceland Wrestling Documentaries
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
Posted · Edited by Robert S
There was a wrestler in the 30ies and 40ies (mostly staying in Ohio) who wrestled under names like Lord Patrick Lansdowne Finnegan who used valets doing proto Gorgeous George stuff like disinfecting the ring mat.
https://iiif.library.ucla.edu/iiif/2/ark%3A%2F21198%2Fzz002hnj33/full/!200,200/0/default.jpg
(the second link did not embed properly)