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  1. According to some other spoiler report I read, Bray Wyatt vs Kofi Kingston and Curtis Axel vs. R-Truth for the IC Title were added to the Battleground PPV at the tapings as well. Full card:


    Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton - WWE Title

    Alberto del Rio vs. RVD - World Title

    Curtis Axel vs. R-Truth - IC Title

    Cody Rhodes/Goldust vs. The Shield - Tag Titles

    Brie Bella vs. AJ Lee - Divas Title

    CM Punk vs. Ryback

    Bray Wyatt vs. Kofi Kingston

    Dolph Ziggler vs. Damien Sandow - YOUTUBE PRESHOW


    What was the last WWE PPV that looked so underwhelming on paper as this one?



    It definitely looks like one of the old single-brand ppvs, but I'm sure it'll be better than NOC, just because there's potential for a few face wins this time.


    Bryan/Orton is a reliable combo, RVD/ADR should be fine with the hardcore gimmick, and Shield/Rhodes Family has a lot of potential. Speaking of, is that match actually for the tag titles, or just Cody and Dustin's jobs? On Raw, it didn't sound like the titles were on the line, but I didn't watch SD, so I don't know if it changed.


    Fake Edit: And before you ask why I'm posting in the SD thread on Saturday having not watched the show, it's because I was checking to see if any matches or segments were getting praised to help me decide if I should watch it or not. The spoilers sounded pretty skippable.

  2. Those Barrett videos rule.


    Wade Barrett: Is it true that no one knows who Johnny Curtis is?

    Johnny Curtis: I won NXT Season 4...

    Wade Barrett: No you didn't, Johnny Curtis won NXT Season 4!

    Johnny Curtis: I am Johnny Curtis...

    Wade Barrett: Huh, I guess it is true then.


    His new gimmick should be HHH's corporate interviewer/tv shill. Wade Barrett, investigative journalist!

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    However...  Orton. I don't understand why HHH paid Armstrong to fast count. Shouldn't Orton be more pissed at this than anyone? The only explanation I have seen from Steph/HHH is WE WANT YOU TO BE THE VIPER AGAIN...

    He paid him to fast count so he had a viable reason to take the belt off of Bryan. We are supposed to assume that it was only to be used in case of an emergency when Orton is clearly beat. I think the logical next step is Bryan wins on Sunday. Monday they try and take the belt from him again and this time Vince intercedes.



    I was thinking Bryan wins, then Orton attacks Brie on Raw to give the HIAC match a personal touch, but I don't know what the man-on-woman violence policies are these days. I guess I can see them putting focus back on Vince where he tells HHH that he has 3 more weeks for his master plan to work or he's indefinitely suspended as COO. 


    Either way, I'm pretty sure HIAC ends with Orton soundly beaten and HHH locked inside the cell with Bryan, Show, or The Shield.

  4. I just posted the Taker/Show No Mercy match in the "never talked about awesome matches" thread. 


    The Mayweather match has to be his career high point, though. 


    A couple others that haven't been mentioned are the first LMS with Del Rio from SD, and a hardcore match against Booker T at Vengeance 02.

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    This was when they were starting to get The Big Show's KO punch over, and what better way than to have him win a slugfest with Taker. Just two big dudes swinging away in not quite a sprint, but a really fast-paced match considering it's Taker and Show. Not a single resthold, just a lot of clubberin. Show bumped when he needed to, but never looked more dominant than he did when the match was over.

  6. Barrett's biggest problem is he hasn't improved significantly since his debut. He was pretty solid right out of the gate and that was plenty good enough in the wasteland (just realized this is a terrible pun after I typed it, but it's staying) that was 2010 WWE. In 2013 though, lots of other guys have improved their stock, while a few new guys have just stepped in being instantly better than Barrett. Being just above average in 2013 doesn't cut it like it did in 2010, hence the drop off for Wade. Ziggler has suffered from the same talent level rise to a lesser degree. 


    I mean, now Cesaro basically does everything they've asked Wade to do the past couple of years, except a million times better. In fact, now that I think about it, they should've totally teamed Cesaro with Barrett instead of Swagger. He's better than Jack in every way, and his promo skills could cover Antonio's one weak spot.

  7. There was the briefly awful period when he was feuding against the Dungeon of Doom where he went all black and more nasty in the ring after he got his mustache shaved. But whether that was the beginning of Hollywood is probably a reach.



    I had nearly forgotten the "dark side of Hogan" angle... Havoc 95 is one of the most hilariously bad ppvs of all time. But Hulk was back in the red and yellow for the subsequently awful "Alliance to end Hulkamania" program that culminated with triple cage match at Uncensored.

  8. I look at JBL as a slow progression to his character change. With the haircut and shave he took on a different look. Then it went from there. I mean its not like he got a haircut and a shave overnight and went all rich guy on us. I guess the same to be said about Surfer Sting to Crow Sting. From the bleach blonde buzz cut to the brown grown out hair. Sting might be another one that were discussing here. He went from gullible and all excited, "It's party time!! Owww!!" to silent ass kicker. He went from being all colorful to the drab black and white.


    Yeah, but that was really well built. It was just a case of the super good guy who always does the right thing getting shit on to the point where he finally snapped. It was like when Ned Flanders' house got destroyed by a hurricane, except the hurricane was everyone in WCW stupidly falling for the fake Sting gag, including supposed-best-friend Lex Luger who saw the impostor at close range.


    Hulk Hogan to Hollywood Hogan was a pretty big instant change. The only foreshadowing was that fans were already starting to resent Hulk in WCW.


    Taker returning from injury with long red hair, denim everything, and riding a motorcycle was pretty startling too. Although character-wise, he was heading towards Biker-taker right before he got hurt.


    Chavo forgetting Kerwin White ever existed right after Eddie died was very noticeable.

  9. All of these ideas are derived from the booking of the last 20 years that has instructed you that tag teams are a midcard attraction used as a launching pad for main eventers, and only deserve attention when two random main eventers are paired to squash the entire tag team division (who are supposed to be specialists at the style). It's bad booking, and if you want more of it, fine. But it's still bad booking.


    Have you ever thought that booking changed roughly 20 years ago because that's when tv time started to increase dramatically? 


    What would've lasted years in the 80s, struggled to last for more than one without getting stale by 2000. It's more practical to try to get mileage out of two over guys in singles instead of devoting double the resources to try to keep the tag division fresh while maintaining several established teams. This is just a case of people wanting wrestling to be like it was when they were kids, but it just doesn't work in the current setup. The only solutions are cutting down tv/ppv hours (not going to happen) and spending considerably more money on talent that cycles in and out of major tv time to ensure a consistent stream of fresh tag team programs (more plausible than the first scenario, but still not very likely). 


    I think the Usos have singles potential. All you have to do is make sure they wear different color tights. Not that I think it should happen any time soon, but an amicable split that results them winning the IC and US titles around the same time seems like a pretty easy midcard angle to book. As much as people long for the good old days, tag team wrestling is a dead end in WWE, and both of those guys should at least get a shot at singles.


    Just nonsense. The only reason either one should ever be pushed as a singles wrestler is if the other is injured or no longer with the company.


    Why should I care about a tag team when they'll inevitably split up in a year?


    This. Building up teams like the Usos or Los Matadores is the only way to get people to actually care about tag team wrestling. The prevailing attitude of "every team must split without exception" has had a detrimental effect on the business as a whole for two decades now, and I think Triple H is aware of that.



    If Los Matadores as currently advertised are an essential component for the future of tag team wrestling, we might as well just kill it now. The only way you could truly make tag team wrestling more important in WWE is to re-stock the division with proven main eventers kind of like they did during Jerishow's run. 


    The whole "detrimental effect on the business for two decades" thing is ridiculous hyperbole. The attitude boom was devoid of a decent tag scene until the tail end, and there were great tag scenes during the brand split that didn't have any appreciable effect on business. The tag team division is a midcard gimmick for midcarders in WWE. It's very useful for rounding out shows and getting a lot of guys their first break, and getting value out of guys that can't hack it at the upper midcard/main event singles level, but it's not a place you want guys to stay in forever. Eventually you have to see if your most over midcarders can take the next step, which involves splitting teams up. I'd happily endure the NAO and Dudley flame-out singles runs to ensure The Hart Foundation, The Rockers, The Steiners, Harlem Heat, The Hardys, E/C, etc didn't have to stay together forever. I'm not saying the Usos need to split up anytime soon. I'm saying if they stay over for a long period, it might be because they have some real charisma and that might translate to more value in a singles work. If it doesn't, the tag division will always be there waiting for them just like it was for The Dudleys.

  11. I think the Usos have singles potential. All you have to do is make sure they wear different color tights. Not that I think it should happen any time soon, but an amicable split that results them winning the IC and US titles around the same time seems like a pretty easy midcard angle to book. As much as people long for the good old days, tag team wrestling is a dead end in WWE, and both of those guys should at least get a shot at singles. I think the last team to be worth more as a unit than individuals for their entire careers was The Dudleys.


    As for this question, ADR is the best answer. It feels like he's fought every midcarder like 1000 times already. And even though I love Cesaro, I often skip Real American tags. Swagger's every bit as boring as Cesaro is awesome.


    Cody: Has anyone ever benefitted more from not being on tv? 


    First person that came to mind was Matt Hardy.



    The current top face in WWE. 


    Steph ruled the show again from the heel side of things. Her utility player speech to the Miz was great, but the line "The entire WWE is my personal space" was my favorite. Liked the no-hesitation punch to Miz, but I really wanted to get more use out of "Weepin' of Mass Destruction" this week. Oh well.


    The main event was oddly... Realistic I guess? I mean, as much as anything in pro wrestling is realistic. I'm sure most everyone expected a 3 on 3 at some point or even a 3 on 1 in favor of the Shield, but nope. They burned through the injured guys and the lowest-ranked jobbers, but Reigns was eliminated with 6 people left, Ambrose with 5, and then Rollins succumbed to a 4 on 1. I think what I've liked best about the past couple of weeks is that the Shield aren't playing the standard WWE cowardly heels. The odds have been against them, but they get in there and go down fighting anyways. As expected, Bryan as the ass-kicking leader is a million times better for a company-ace role than plucky underdog. I was hoping he'd be a little pissed off when he found out Orton harassed Brie, but that's a minor complaint.



    I don't understand why they are pushing the Usos more than the Primetime Players in this whole thing. The crowd is just dying for a reason to treat Titus O'Neil like a star. Usos are an ok team, but there is definitely no breakout star potential with the team like the PTPs have.



    Disagree here. The Usos are way more over than the PTPs currently, and I actually do think there's some singles potential. Based on **Total Divas** Jimmy seems like a really cool guy, or could at least convincingly play a really cool guy on tv. If they let him act like that, I could easily see crowds getting behind him. And if Jey is half as cool as his brother, he's a solid midcarder at worst. The whole twin thing is usually a dead end for both guys, but what I think they should do is start downplaying it. Have them wear different color tights and facepaint to get people used to telling them apart and starting to notice other differences. Then when it comes time to split them up (way down the line), they can do it without one turning on the other.


    I do think the PTPs have some potential, but they're several years away still. There's at least 15 guys who should be pushed ahead of them based on talent and/or overness, possibly more than 20. Considering card positioning only, the PTPs are the Hardy Boys in 2000 without the stand-out gimmick. Or a face version of 1996 Harlem Heat where Stevie Ray is the one who obviously needs the singles push. I like 'em, but they're a long ways off considering the other talent in the promotion right now.

  13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNpHFhZrqzM


    I remember sitting there almost a few minute after RAW went off the air with my jaw on the floor. I mean, this was just brutal!




    Ah, yes, good old non-PG WWE... It's almost jarring to the senses after 5+ years away. To me, the end of this match was the craziest WWE beatdown I've seen. The lack of hesitation and casualness with which Austin and HHH attack Lita is disturbing. 



    On a lighter note, here's Shane McMahon getting his junk hooked up to a car battery:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gUqQG8oZ-8


    I'm trying to find a clip of the beatdowns Kaientai would do to much larger guys right before they debuted.  They'd run in ridiculously quick, do some really fast stuff followed by a Togo senton, then rush right out.



    Gotta dig through those 98 Raws to find Kai En Tai beating up Bradshaw, but in the meantime, here's one of my faves, a more 2005-ish lucha version of what you're looking for.


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  14. This was a pretty fun show overall. Good follow up to Raw.


    The only segment I thought was weak was the divas thanks to Nattie on commentary. AJ and Naomi were fine in the ring, but I couldn't tell what Nattie was going for out there. She had some very heelish talking points even though she's supposed to be the face, and it sounded like even she didn't know what her character's motivation was supposed to be. JBL and Cole tried their best to hold it together, but Nattie just kept talking and talking... "She's a title holder, I'm a champion." *shudder*


    The gauntlet match was well done. Mostly served as a jobber execution, but Kofi and Ziggler had some good babyface comebacks.  Ziggler's demise was particularly fun. I don't know who decided to bring back the running single leg dropkick, but between Rollins, Cesaro, Bryan, and Naomi, there have been some pretty nasty ones flying around lately. That torpedo spear on the outside... Well, the .gif covers it nicely.


    HHH's follow up segment was pretty good too. He's putting his cerebral assassin skills to good use coming off as a guy who's biding his time for some real revenge and has no interest in letting an incompetent stooge like Vickie screw it up with a sloppy, unimaginative plan. 


    Ryback's segment was hilarious. "Paul Heyman told me earlier you wouldn't sign a little kids' autograph" is some high-quality transparently phony pro wrestling heel character motivation. Yelling "I hate bullies" along with the 3 count was the icing on the cake.


    The main event 6-man was an excellent tv main, and probably one of The Shield's best, which actually covers a lot of ground towards the end of their first year. Strong teamwork by both sides, and much better structure with Bryan as the ace and the Usos as the young lions. There were some great individual spots like Bryan snatching Rollins on the leap frog attempt and Rollins' lightning enzuigiri to one of the Usos. The heat segments on each Uso went just the right amount of time, and the finish was appropriately heated. Classic Bryan hot-tag run on Ambrose, followed by a nice dive sequence to get Rollins and Reigns out of the way, Then there was the beautiful subtlety in the finish where the Usos hit the double superkick to give them a bit of a rub by being directly involved, but not taking away from Bryan who hit the long-setup variety running knee in true superstar fashion. Everyone came out looking great.

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  15. So what's the payoff for putting all this heat on Steph? It's not like she's going to eat a KO punch or get put in the Yes Lock. How is she supposed to get her comeuppance?


    X-Factor from Brie Mode


    Anyway, this was a good Raw, and way better than the ppv last night.


    The Armstrong angle was predictable, but they're doing a good job making it look thoroughly phony. I assume he'll come clean at some point and say HHH put him up to it. Not sure if that will be before or after Road Dogg gets beat down by The Shield or eats the crying punch (CKO? Weeping of Mass Destruction? There's gotta be a name for this somewhere...)


    The Dusty segment was good, and I'm glad I'm not the first one to point out it was mostly Steph. That Bed Bath and Beyond gift card was so deliciously catty. The payoff would've been better if Show hadn't been crying for weeks, but it still came off as a good kind of pro-wrestling cheese.


    AJ continues to own on commentary. It was a probably a blessing that Nattie's headset didn't work, because once she got on air, AJ didn't even need to say anything for her to look bad. Those were some painful lines.


    Orton destroying the Miz was subpar. The whole family beatdown thing just doesn't work without blood. It at least needed a punt, because that chair knee drop looked terrible. It did serve a good purpose setting up the closing segment, though.


    The main event was a really good effort from Bryan, and Reigns appears to have improved since his last singles outing. Bryan digging out some of the old indy leg work with some especially stiff kicks gave Reigns a good reason to be slow and indecisive on offense, which is the one area for him that looks like it still needs some work. I did like what Reigns did selling as the story of the tenacious little guy overwhelming a lower-ranked big guy was the result of good work from both of them. Bryan on offense is always going to improve any match, and Reigns struck the right balance of looking strong, but still giving Bryan's offense its due. Bryan of course helped Reigns along by rag-dolling for his big catch-and-throw spots. Rollins made sure to let everyone know he's still the king of bumping, though. 


    The finish was absolutely perfect and exactly what the angle needs. Reigns' desperation spear on Kofi was hilarious, but also a nice touch to the segment. Orton ran before anyone got to the ring and The Shield went down swinging. Everyone clearing a path for Bryan to obliterate Rollins with the running knee was an awesome visual. It'll be fun to watch The Shield kill some of these jobbers for revenge, but now hopefully there's enough fodder on the face side for Bryan to become the one making saves instead of needing them all the time.

  16. I was hoping the surprise guest would be AJ, but Jaret turned out to be pretty good. That was some expert trolling. Oh and if the Usos dropped the Samoan heritage tribute act and used their reality show personas, they'd be top faces in WWE right now.


    I look forward to the next series where indy nerd Daniel Bryan has to choose between his hot girlfriend and being a main eventer in WWE. 

  17. Pretty dull show overall, mostly because there was too much pro-heel booking which is guaranteed to kill any crowd. The matches were mostly fine, but I'm wondering what kind of reactions they were expecting with that show layout, which seemed really poor. A long dueling heel promo to open a ppv? Putting the Shield matches back to back when no one buys the challengers at all right before the main? They couldn't have saved Ryback attacking Punk until tomorrow to break up the monotony of heel wins? The only complete face victory on the show was Miz over Fandango for god sake. Bryan/Orton was a solid match but even the ending felt a bit flat due to the crowd being taken out of it all night and the fact that everybody knows the ref fast counting for no discernible reason will lead to the title being held up if not outright handed back to Orton.


    I understand that big-picture wise, this show was in a bad spot. You can't have AJ or The Shield lose their belts under any circumstances right now, and as much as I hate everything about Curtis Axel, there's no good reason to take his belt either.  That gives you a minimum of 4 heel wins when the show's gimmick is every title being defended, so bad timing there. The other problem is that it's the first of 3 ppvs in 7 weeks, so there has to be a lot of rematch-oriented booking for the main event angles, which means more heel wins/cheap finishes at the top. The only place they could've made a positive difference was letting Punk beat Heyman, then going after him again on Raw where Ryback can get in and start that angle. They could've let Show kill someone too I guess. The rest of the matches were booked like they had to be, but it didn't make for a compelling show at all. The ppv calendar, the NoC gimmick, and the current angles really just couldn't have lined up any worse.


    I get why it had to be this way, but it was still probably the worst ppv of the year. 

  18. For some reason, this match always gets overlooked in the Edge/Matt feud. The cage match was more epic for sure, but for me, this is the match that really sums up the feud. Just raw brutality from both guys and oozes that gritty, realistic vibe the whole program was going for. The momentum-change spot is suitably nasty, and Edge's strikes never looked better.



  19. Sandow feels like the most worthless MITB winner ever. I think it's a combination of him not really being main event material to begin with and the fact that everyone knows the drill by now where he'll job for months, get a heatless title win, then the writers scratch their heads and ask each other why he isn't getting over before they pull the plug on him a couple months later.


    If the brand split is over, this should be the last year of two MITB cases.

  20. Couldn't disagree more. Seth and Bryan just play off against each other really really well. What are you expecting from Ambrose? Top rope shit? He has a decent heel moveset that works with his gimmick. And what makes Seth's offense so great? The dude can bump, but he is awful on the mic.Anyway, on a related note and it's been said a hundred times before: it's fucking insane that "our" guys like Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose are main-eventing episodes of Raw.PS: The break out star will be Roman Reigns by the way. That glorious hair. :wub:


    Ambrose's strikes are horrible and he doesn't have any good signature spots outside of his finisher. Having watched some of his FCW work, I know he's capabale of more, but he hasn't shown much in his WWE run. Seth's offense is great because he can hit all of his moves quickly and accurately all within the flow of the match. His form is great on everything and even when he's doing complex sequences, it never looks like he's slowing down to set anything up.And I could see Reigns having a Batista-esque career path where he breaks out way down the line, but the first step will be sniffing the singles match rotation for the Shield. I think he's had one singles match on Raw with Orton, and it sucked.


     So you're saying Dean Ambrose is basically Mr. Kennedy/Anderson with better selling?


    That's a very good comparison. Lots of potential, but it'll take more work than people assume for him to be a star.

  21. AJ on commentary was basically Daniel Bryan the last 3 weeks in the ring. Eventually she got drowned out by the good ol' boys network (due to numbers not quality work), but she got some quality shots in first and came away looking way better. "Watch the product" was the best and funniest insider comment on a show with HHH/Steph and Edge working the 2003 Wrestlecrap message board gimmick in full force.


    Orton/Goldust was good, but I'm not sure it's even Orton's second best match in the last three weeks. Outside of crowd heat, I'm not sure how it was better than his match with Christian, or even his match with RVD on SD. Maybe I'm overreacting to that really awful super-slow "drop to the knees and punch" spot where Orton's head was up the whole time staring right at Dustin. The crossroads spot was great, though. Perfect nearfall, there.


    I'm glad I'm not the only one who loves Booker T's current gimmick. I hope he expands his range and starts offering unsolicited advice to midcarders as well. It's probably too much effort since the payoff would just be someone finally saying "Why are you still here?" months later, but I'd love it.


    And finally, something that no one has really talked about yet, it's becoming more and more obvious that Seth Rollins is the future star out of the Shield. The fact that a Daniel Bryan main event match has only gotten 3 or 4 mentions in 15 pages isn't a good sign for Ambrose. He's kind of in a shitty spot where his biggest strengths are heel promos, heel mannerisms, and selling, while his biggest weakness is being interesting on offense. Having watched some of his FCW work, I know he can do better, but he's really underachieving these days. A 10+ minute match against Daniel Bryan is the time to step up, and he just looked really flat out there, especially compared to the last few times Rollins got a similar opportunity.

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