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  1. We have the general review thread, and the network club thread, but I was thinking all this HQ footage would make for some easy and fun "Best Of" discussions/lists. With every show broken down by match (unless it involves that one guy), it wouldn't be too hard to best of various wrestlers, shows, years, etc. We could even do "worst of" lists if people want to go that route. It can just be open discussion or we can all submit ballots and do dramatic list unveilings. I think there's a lot of potential for fun topics here.

     

    Anyway, this thread is just to see if there is any interest in doing something like this and/or to kick around ideas. If we can get enough people in on one topic, we can go from there.

     

     

  2. I know they'll be added eventually, but I want all the attitude Raw/SD shows in HQ.

     

    More out there, but hopefully they'll add all the jobber shows one day as well (from WWE and WCW) so we can all go find some hidden gem squashes.

  3. Yeah, people's styles never change over the course of their careers, down with all rematches!

    Kane's style really hasn't. At least not for the last 15 years. Although I actually find that very impressive. Guys like the Outlaws and Too Cool are trotted out there as nostalgia acts and noticeably show their age, but their attitude contemporary Kane still fits right in as a weekly regular.

     

    However, the only way I'd be interested in a Kane/Show match at Mania would be if they finished their catch-as-catch-can style chain wrestling match from Raw during Kane's May 19th phase. 

  4. The first Sheamus/Christian match on SD before the Chamber was tremendous. Their other matches have been fine, but it's pretty obvious they're stuck in "we have no idea what to do with these guys, so let's just have them fight every week" booking that helps no one. Christian's desperation character has no direction post-chamber and Sheamus hasn't had a motive for anything since he's been back. I know I've suggested it before, but Sheamus and Cesaro need to work an angle that results in a double turn at Mania. Christian just needs to get a hold of a midcard title so he has an excuse to wrestle every week.

     

    On a different front, I was thinking about Batista/Bryan (which brought me back to Batista/ADR at EC), and has anyone else noticed how little Batista moves in the ring these days? He was never a sprinter or anything, but he used to hit the ropes and be able to string a few moves together. Nowadays he just lays around literally in one spot while his opponent has to work around him for minutes at a time. When they do move to a different spot in the ring, there is always a noticeable rest period after.

  5. Added: Shield vs. Wyatts (Raw 3/3)

     

    I wrote at length about it in the Raw thread, but suffice to say it was a great progression on their previous match and the Shield breakup story. I admire them for not resting on their EC match and going for something totally different here.

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  6. The announcing has been really bad for a while. King adds nothing and is having more and more senior moments as time goes on. JBL's act has worn thin and I don't know if it's just me, but I think the blatant heel announcer concept is really dated and makes the product look bush league. Never mind that he goes off the rails all the fucking time and will sidetrack the whole crew for entire matches. Cole is decent when he's assertive and takes control from those other goofs, but he rarely does that and is usually content to follow along with their inane banter. His nicknames are the absolute worst too.

     

    Anyway, I loved the Usos winning the tag titles in decisive fashion. The dive/tag spot was great. The fact that the mandatory rematch is on Main Event bodes well for the Usos moving on to greener pastures. I wouldn't mind a match with Harper and Rowan at Mania for them.

     

    The Shield/Wyatts tag was excellent, probably a top 5 match this year despite being noticeably behind their EC match. The Chamber match just had a once in a lifetime feel that can't be replicated, and also went 20+ so it's kind of hard to expect a rematch to be better. Nevertheless, I liked that they didn't just rehash their last match and really tried to do something different to progress the story. The important things to remember are the Shield/Wyatts program is really designed to put over The Wyatt Family and Bray's mind games and that The Shield are still tweeners at the moment. Also, the Shield has been showing signs of dissension since Survivor Series, so none of their actions should really feel out of the blue here. It's understandable for Rollins to snap at some point, especially when his teammates are making mind-numbingly stupid mistakes mid-match. Their talent is comparable with the Wyatts, but they just aren't on the same page anymore and the Wyatts are. I think the match unfolded perfectly.

     

    The in-ring action was superb as well. Rollins opening run was a thing of beauty, especially the last dive where he landed on his feet facing the ring. Ambrose going after Rowan's leg was some of the best looking offense he's had in a while, and the spot where he was challenging Bray while stuck in the Rowan vise was great. I agree that Reigns looked stupid chasing down Ambrose during Rollins' attempted hot tag, but that was the point I think. Reigns was more concerned with asserting his dominance in the group than Rollins well-being and Ambrose clearly hasn't given a fuck for months. Can't blame Rollins for breaking down here, especially as a tweener with no moral obligation to be the bigger man. The two-man game with Ambrose and Reigns was top-notch and that finishing run was perfect with the Wyatts finally being the team that got the Shield to succumb to the numbers game. Oh, and Luke Harper was phenomenal here too. That double stomp to Ambrose during the figure four, his strikes being on point as usual and an even more epic looking dive (credit to Roman's bump) than the EC match. Bray's constant taunting of the Shield was perfect too given how he spent the last month prophesying their demise.

     

    Was there other stuff on this show? I can barely remember. The Bryan stuff was fine if you aren't leery about them doing the right thing Mania. Lesnar killing Henry is a running joke at this point. Cesaro needs to make a full turn and dispatch Swagger as quickly as possible. Those Punk teases were weak.

  7. Coming off a stretch where several of the top Mania matches had multi-year builds, it's weird to think this year's could be a WM 16 level clusterfuck. Mind you, a WM 16 level clusterfuck would be preferable to sticking it out with Orton/Batista.

     

    Bring on Punk/HHH and Bryan being thrown into the title match for no (kayfabe) reason!

  8. *static* LOOK IN MY EYES, WHAT DO YOU SEEEEEE?

     

    Does anyone think they'll do a Punk fake out on Raw? On one hand it would get nuclear heat, and I could totally see HHH reveling in it (although they should give the spot to Batista if they do it). On the other hand, it extends the life of random CM Punk chants through Mania at least. Chicago will go nuts with them regardless, but they've gotten pretty small everywhere else, so I don't know if they want to throw gasoline on that dying fire.

  9. I don't know, that crowd sounded pretty dead for the end of that Ziggler match between the vintage SD edited-in heat moments. And before anyone goes off thinking "Well, Dolph Ziggler..." Just remember Batista had a very heated ppv match with Alberto Del Rio last Sunday.

     

    I guess we'll just to have **wait and see** how it all plays out.

  10. 1. Shield vs. Wyatt Family (Elimination Chamber)

    2. Zayn vs. Cesaro (Arrival)

    3. Bryan vs. Bray (Royal Rumble)

    4. Bryan vs. Orton (Raw 2/3)

    5. Bryan vs. HHH (Wrestlemania)

    6. Zayn vs. Neville (R-evolution)

    7. Ambrose vs. Rollins (Raw 8/18)

    8. Shield vs. Wyatt Family (Raw 3/3)

    9. Rollins/Ambrose vs. Real Americans (Raw 3/24)

    10. Cena vs. Lesnar (Summer Slam)

     

    11. Cesaro vs. Orton (SD 2/14)

    12. Christian vs. Sheamus (SD 2/21)

    13. Cesaro vs. Cena (Raw 2/17)

    14. Shield vs. Evolution (Extreme Rules)

    15. Cesaro vs. Ziggler vs. Kidd (SD 11/14)

    16. Cesaro vs. Cena (Raw 7/28)

    17. Charlotte vs. Sasha (R-evolution)

    18. Cesaro vs. Sheamus (Night of Champions)

    19. Elimination Chamber match (Elimination Chamber)

    20. Rollins vs. RVD (Raw 6/30)

     

    21. Shield vs. Wyatt Family (Raw 5/5)

    22. Shield vs. Wyatt Family (Main Event 4/8)

    23. Orton vs. Ziggler (Raw 10/13)

    24. Owens vs. Parker (R-evolution)

    25. Cesaro vs. Ziggler (Hell in a Cell)

    26. Ambrose vs. Henry (Main Event 3/11)

    27. Cesaro vs. Kofi (SD 5/30)

    28. Rollins vs. Jericho (Raw 7/28)

  11. I think you're underestimating how much people really don't want to see anyone besides Daniel Bryan in that spot. I'd be willing to bet Batista's heat will become comparable to Orton's heat from November to January over the coming weeks if they try to make him a full heel (barring Bryan being inserted into the title match somehow).

  12. They'll cheer for Orton because they hate Batista more.

     

    Yeah, there's zero chance this will happen at Mania.

     

    I understand the writers are backed into a corner here, but I think a full turn is a mistake and they're really underestimating the crowds. People aren't adamantly booing Batista because he's a great heel, they're booing him because he's in Daniel Bryan's spot, and it's the opposite reaction WWE wants for him. If WWE explicitly tells the fans to hate Batista now, his heat will dwindle to silence, Bryan chants, or distraction chants like Punk, Savage, announcers, "boring," or whatever. No way the fans are going to give WWE the satisfaction of giving Batista the intended reaction for long. They almost have to put Bryan in the match now, or else the fans are going to stay ahead of them and tank the program regardles. Without Bryan involved, they would've been way better off just going the HHH/Cena route because at least the heat would've been legit.

  13. Pretty much everything I've seen from NXT was just the highly recommended matches, this was my first full show. It's pretty interesting... Felt like a high-level indy with WWE production values. The crowd was a very stereotypically bad indy crowd, but if the in-ring action this week is any indication, it'll be a must-watch every week.

     

    Cesaro/Zayn was a wonderful match, really not giving Shield/Wyatts any time to soak up the spotlight in the MOTY race. I saw their 2/3 falls match, but I don't think I really needed to see anything to figure out their story based on the work in this match alone. Both guys were just phenomenal with the characterization and it was really easy to follow. Cesaro is clearly the better wrestler, but Zayn has a lot of fighting spirit and wants to prove himself against NXT's big fish in a small pond. The action was at a complementary level to the story being told. Stiff, lots of nice well-executed moves, everything ties together for a good story... Not sure what else you could want from a match.

     

    Mojo Rawley's video package got me pumped up, but then he came out and had a stinker of a match with no energy and featured him selling for 90% of it. Plus one for the video team, but a terrible first impression from Mojo. I was more interested in the job guy's hippie gimmick.

     

    The tag champs are interesting. Kinda look like a new age Kronik. The long-haired guy (I think that was Victor) looked like he could be alright. Konnor seemed a little behind his partner, but the no-nonsense ass-kicker gimmick did a good job hiding their limitations. 

     

    Not sure what the fuss was about for the divas match. It was alright, way better than most of the main roster diva matches I guess, but that's not exactly a high bar. Liked what Emma was doing and hopefully she'll get to show more on the main roster. Paige didn't impress me that much, outside of the finish. Her coordination and execution didn't seem significantly better than most of the main roster divas and her main finisher isn't very good. Hopefully she'll switch to the Bull Nakano submission full time. The second use of the respect gimmick in an hour was kind of overkill too. Maybe it would've looked better not being on the same show as Cesaro/Zayn.

     

    I liked Rusev's brief appearance in the Rumble, and was happy to see him crush these losers. Tyler Breeze looks like a guy that could make a career out of getting his ass kicked.

     

    I loved Bo Dallas' video package and wish I could've watched that gimmick unfold in real time. I don't know if anyone's ever gotten that far into a "heel who thinks he's a face" gimmick. Bo-Lievers and kNOw more Bo had me cracking up. His fired up babyface yell during his entrance was great too.

     

    The main event ladder match was solid. A couple good spots, but not a lot of overkill. God, Adrian Neville moves so effortlessly... Like he makes Seth Rollins look like Khali. I really hope he makes it to the main roster soon. Bo was pretty good here, and it's a real testament to the NXT roster that he was only the 4th most impressive wrestler on the show. We have to get Zayn/Neville at some point right?

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  14. Watched Fall Brawl 97 last night. Pretty good show overall.

     

    Jericho/Eddie was a high quality opener. I hate how they changed some of the music for these shows, but the match was still choice. Eddie stretched Jericho with some nasty submissions and took some crazy bumps. Good pace and both guys got to show a lot.

     

    Steiners/Harlem Heat was a surprisingly fun match. Super stiff with all guys really eating strikes and taking some nasty head drops. There was no real heat segment or hot tag, just a lot of back-and-forth clubberin packed into a tight window.

     

    Alex Wright vs. Ultimo Dragon was way too long. Had a couple decent moments, but it felt like Wright was working a chinlock for more than half the match. Crowd wasn't too into it either.

     

    Jarrett vs. Malenko was a solid technical match. Lots of counter wrestling that ended with Jarrett being in the right position to clip Dean and snap on the figure four for the tap.

     

    Mortis and Wrath vs. Faces of Fear is definitely a hidden gem kind of match that you hope to find watching random old shows. Another crazy stiff back and forth slugfest with a lot of good double team work from both sides. Even though both teams were heels, Meng got a killer hot tag and Mortis was eating his kicks like crazy. Meng also got a good a pop for putting James Vandenburg in the Tongan Death grip and not letting go despite Mortis kicking him in the face repeatedly. Wrath snuck in and hit his finisher on Meng during a Double Tongan Death Grip for the win.

     

    Giant vs. Norton was ok. Really short and the only notable thing was Giant doing a rope assisted kip up.

     

    Luger/DDP vs. Hall/Savage was a decent little tag brawl. Hall had some quality stooging throughout, especially attacking the refs. Ending was stupid with Zybysko interfering and counting his own fall on Scott Hall, but I guess I can see why the timekeeper and Penzer went along with it given how much WCW got screwed.

     

    Wargames was good in a vaccuum, but in no way should it have been a ppv main in Flair country. Benoit was really intense, as was Nash. Bagwell, Konnan, and Syxx did their stooging and the Hennig turn was pretty vicious. Horsemen got a lot of offense early, but the ending totally killed the crowd. It would've worked better in just about any other setting, or anywhere where the Horsemen could believably get revenge later. Instead it came off like a total burial (which it probably was).

  15. Maybe I'm lucky or I was just watching at 5 am and there was no traffic, but I signed up and jumped right into "This is NXT" with no problems. I only looked at a couple seconds of various ppvs, but they started fine and I was able to jump around.

  16. They're pretty much being forced into making Batista a heel, but if they think they're going to make Orton a face and save the heat for this match, they're in for a nasty surprise on April 6th. I don't believe the powers that be are that dense, however. They're probably just gonna try to play it like HHH/Cena at 22, rolling with the natural reactions but not changing characters too much.

     

    They'd really be best served to just get this match over with and let Batista work as a heel in the midcard after Mania. They can do a 1-day reign for Dave if that "guaranteed Mania title win" thing is actually true. The pop for him losing the next night on Raw would make Ziggler's cash-in last year look like Rey entering the 2014 Rumble.

  17. One of my best friends tried to watch it Monday morning but he felt sick to his stomach when he got to the Mark Henry & D'Lo Brown tag match.

     

    That was the curtain jerk match. Am I missing something here, because it seems like if he felt that strongly at this point, he would've never bothered with the show.

     

    As most people have said, it wasn't a good ppv even if you don't take Owen into account. The Kane/X-Pac vs. D-Lo/Henry opener was forgettable. Holly vs. Snow was alright, your standard attitude arena hardcore brawl. Holly was pretty fun as he started his "Big Shot" gimmick. Owen was scheduled to be in the third match, and there's a long uncomfortable pause here as you'd expect. The next 3 matches (Val Venis and Nicole Bass vs. Jeff Jarrett and Debra; Road Dogg vs. Billy Gunn; Union vs. Corporate Ministry 8-man) were all noticeably affected by the tragedy, but didn't have much of a chance of being good regardless. That's a terrible lineup any way you slice it. After the 8-man, JR and King had to deliver the bad news. Rock/HHH was decent all things considered, those two had really good chemistry. Austin/Taker sucked, definitely one of Austin's worst efforts from this time frame. These two had a 10-minute match on Raw a couple weeks later (the week before Vince was revealed as the greater power) that ended in a DQ, but smoked this one. This was a poorly laid out match in the worst environment imaginable and had a shitty ending on top of everything. 

     

    Sadly, the Owen tragedy is the only notable thing about this show. If you wanna watch a decent ppv from peak attitude in 1999, stick with St. Valentine's Day Massacre, Backlash, or Fully Loaded.

  18. On the Taker/Lesnar front, how would people feel about Lesnar destroying Taker, but getting a DQ loss? No way should Brock end the streak, but they're in a tough spot with him for this feud. They've got his credibility back up after a couple unnecessary losses, but dropping a clean fall here would be a major setback (even if it is UT at Mania). I think we can all agree someone from the new generation needs to get a fall on Lesnar, but it means less and less with each established guy that has already beaten him.

     

    Also I don't think Taker has ever beaten Lesnar, has he? They had a no contest brawl in their first meeting, Lesnar won clean in HIAC, and won again with some shenanigans in the biker chain match. I even saw a random tag from 03 where Lesnar and Cena beat Angle and Taker the other week. Maybe Taker got a random SD win back, I'm not sure.

  19. Roman/Bray wasn't nearly as bad as the crowd would make you think, although it was a far cry from 6-man as well. The best part were the Rollins and Ambrose saves that really made me want to see the feud continue with Shield progressing more towards total faces as a unit. The biggest problem with the match itself is that it was just too long and both guys were stuck doing a lot of filler between their cool slugfest spots. Also validates my post from "WWE turning heels into intolerable babyfaces."


    I guarantee Roman's heat will dwindle if he starts being on the receiving end of a lot of "chinlock, elbow, elbow, hair pull, chinlock" spots. 

     

    When will they ever learn?

     

    Sheamus/Christian was good, but nowhere near their SD match. The commentary for this and Etor/Cesaro was absolutely brutal.

  20. I'm having a hard time deciding what match Sheamus should be in. Match quality wise I hope Cesaro. Could be Del Rio though. Guess that is what I will go with

    Del Rio vs Sheamus

     

    Please god no... Summer of 2012 gave us enough of that matchup to last several lifetimes. 

     

    I think Sheamus and Cesaro have the talent to pull off a double-turn match, which could be a great launching point for Cesaro as a face, and Sheamus is a bit stagnant character-wise at the moment.

  21. Michael Cole saying "I can't wait to read Twitter during the commercial break" was the funniest thing I've heard on WWE tv in some time. 

     

    I don't want Cena to be hurt (and it sounds like he isn't), but Shield/Wyatts TLC would totally save that card.

  22. Honestly, I don't think there's ever been a more disappointing gimmick than HIAC. On paper, it's a can't-miss concept: you get all the hate and violence of a cage match without the excessively claustrophobic feel cage matches can have. But I don't there's been a single HIAC match that's come close to living up to the gimmick's potential.

     

     

    I'd argue that Taker/Foley and Taker/Lesnar definitely upheld the gimmick. Taker/Foley were only outside the cage because they started there, and was such and impressive spectacle it defined the match forever. Taker/Lesnar was plenty bloody, violent, hate-filled, and stayed inside from start to finish if that's really important to you.

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