Go2Sleep
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I'm kind of curious what type of push "the locker room" expected for Ryder. I think most people would agree they could do more with him than they are now (or have been for the last 2+ years), but realistically, the guy's ceiling is face Miz.
If his ceiling is face Miz, does that mean he can main event Wrestlemania?
No, only heel Miz main evented Mania.
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I'm kind of curious what type of push "the locker room" expected for Ryder. I think most people would agree they could do more with him than they are now (or have been for the last 2+ years), but realistically, the guy's ceiling is face Miz. He's definitely not a guy that can be champ forever and ever no matter how much you respect him getting himself over. They probably should've looked to put him in tag team (Santino doesn't count) or at least kept him strong on the B-shows like someone else said so he could at least be an occasional IC/US champ.
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This is just another one of those "Wrestling should be exactly like it was when I was a kid" arguments.
I've said it before and no one really wants to hear it, but wrestling at its core didn't change, you just grew up. And that's fine, that's normal, but this hipster "anti-smark" attitude of "It should still be real to me, damn it" is quite frankly ridiculous. The reason you don't get immersed in wrestling like you did when you were little is the same reason you don't get immersed in Power Rangers or Transformers or Batman or whatever. When you get older, you view tv and movies differently. You view them more as art and less as alternate reality. As your brain develops and you go through school and are made to read/watch creative works and likely produce some of your own at a low level, you begin to understand things like developing characters, telling a story, and captivating and audience. While wrestling is considered low-brow by the mainstream, it really is a creative art, and that's how most people who watch view it, whether they're in tune with backstage gossip or not (for comparison, consider how you view big Hollywood movies regardless of whether or not you check TMZ every day). People want to see characters they like, action scenes that are compelling, and conclusions to stories that tug at the old heart strings. It doesn't mean you can't get invested, emotionally involved, or be an active participant at a live display. Just like any other creative art, it's designed to click with you emotionally. By the same token, it's also perfectly normal to discuss things like the creator's intent, how effective the message is, how well the performers pulled it off, etc. Both are perfectly healthy and normal ways to view performance art.
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Didn't Bull Dempsey job to Mojo a few weeks ago? I could've sworn that wasn't the first time I've seen him.
Love the Vaudevillains so much. Gotch is awesome. Just a couple weeks into the gimmick and he's already nailed the mannerisms. Once he perfects his comedy strength spots (and god willing they allow him to do some freakish super strength spots for finishes), he'll be one of the best on the show.
The main event was fairly boring. It sucks to see Neville have to slow down so lesser workers can keep up with him, which he gets to do plenty of on NXT anyway, so pairing him off with 2014 RVD was not my cup of tea. Tyler Breeze got kind of exposed on commentary due to the match being so long. Felt like he prepped 5 minutes of material and got stuck out there for 15. Renee sure was trying to help him, though.
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Even though I think the MITB match should've never left Mania, I have to admit it's been one of the most consistent concept ppvs since they started running it. This show should be alright.
Rollins and Ambrose will carry the MITB match by themselves, and Ziggler and Kofi will probably do some crazy shit in the background. The title match has a good lineup outside of Kane, and Del Rio will likely die for everyone's sins. Then you have an Usos/Wyatts match that will get decent time as well. Paige/Naomi could be a pleasant surprise if Naomi can hit her spots clean. Some other 5-minute filler matches might get added like Layla/Summer or Rybaxel vs. The Dusty Rhodes, but only the former would likely be terrible. There's a lot of interesting things that could come of the ladder matches, either on this show or within the next month if they go the super safe route with Cena winning to close the show.
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The times he actually gets to work like a wrecking machine, he looks great.
Does he really? I can't think of that many great Swagger performances. He looked good against Christian in 09, and working with Cesaro opposite the Shield and Rhodes brothers, but most of his career work is pretty forgettable. He strikes me as a guy with average talent and below average charisma and below average haircuts. Above average entrance music, though.
Also, how do these SD spoiler threads always turn into discussions on aimless midcarders? Next week we should do Del Rio.
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For some reason, Swagger is on the regular "multi-man clusterfuck filler" rotation, despite never actually doing anything during those matches that reminds you why he was added (unlike Kofi and Dolph).
Never actually doing anything except winning a MITB and Elimination Chamber match, which puts him in the company of John Cena, Edge, CM Punk, and Daniel Bryan as people who have won both matches.
I mean never doing anything to make the match exciting or memorable. That is a great bit of trivia, though. He's one of the most head-scratching repeatedly-pushed guys in WWE history.
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It was definitely Swagger. They were setting up a 3-way ladder match with Del Rio at Extreme Rules that turned into Swagger/ADR I Quit. The spot was Dolph trying to pick up the ladder and Swagger kicking him in the face for the cut off.
Looking back, that spot pretty much ended Dolph's career.
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For some reason, Swagger is on the regular "multi-man clusterfuck filler" rotation, despite never actually doing anything during those matches that reminds you why he was added (unlike Kofi and Dolph). If it wasn't for RVD and his historically bad year, he would've easily been the most groan-inducing addition to MITB.
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In that case then there should have been a rider stipulation. Ambrose getting the case resulting in Rollins being Mr. MITB would have made the most sense.Not really. Rollins getting the case is the easiest way for him to advance his career, and Dean would still screw him over pretty bad by just attacking him and preventing him from winning. Dean's motivation his to hurt Rollins, the case is just gravy. Rollins is supremely confident that he can handle Ambrose and has a little personal motivation to hurt him as well. Makes perfect sense for Rollins to want him in there instead of constantly having to worry about Ambrose coming out of the crowd in a match where there's already 6 other guys out to get him. He could also get lucky and have one of the other 6 guys take Ambrose out, or at least be reasonably sure that Ambrose will suffer an equal amount of punishment in the match, making him less of a threat than coming out of the crowd fresh.
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Seth Rollins is really turning into the Sting of heels. I'm not sure if asking for Ambrose to be booked in the match was the correct move. Why not just ask for Triple H to ban him from the building? Or ask WWE's travel agent to book him on the wrong flight? Or something that shows some intelligence beyond "I want to know where he is so I'll give him an equal shot at winning Money in the Bank?"
if you're putting him in the match, at least do SOMETHING to handicap him. Make it so that an Ambrose victory still results in Rollins being Mr. MITB.
It could be a master plan to re-unite the Shield and end HHH's reign of terror once and for all as others have said, but even if they stick with their current roles it makes a lot of sense. I mean, have you looked at the authority's track record when it comes to banning guys from the building? Christ, the freakin' Big Show snuck in on them more than once.
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So, I'm a glutton for punishment and decided to watch every WCW ppv from 1999 to the end. I just finished Superbrawl 99. I won't bore you with most of the show since it was pretty forgettable, though mostly inoffensive considering it's WCW in 1999. However, I found one of those "pleasant surprise" matches in the least likely of places.
The Hogan/Flair main event may very well be their best match together. I was expecting a lot of stalling, Flair looking like an idiot, and a generally sad match, but I got mostly the opposite until the finish. Both guys came out fired up and started the match pretty quickly. They worked a spirited brawl with lots of hate and both guys got busted open. There were some great spots like Hogan trying to fend off a crazed Flair with his belt, including whipping him right in the face as Flair went for the legs. Also Hogan started to hulk up off some Flair chops, but Flair cut him off with an eye-poke and a kick to the nuts (which he should have been doing forever, but the pop that would've gotten in 94 wouldn't have been ideal).
Now, of course, the finish involves David Flair turning on Ric and making out with newly-debuted Torrie Wilson. Also David, uses a taser on Ric when he's got Hogan in the figure four, but it only hurts Ric in the biggest head-scratcher of the entire thing. However, vintage WCW silliness aside, this is still a great effort from Flair and Hogan who kept up the pace for a good 10 minutes, conveyed the most hate in any match they had together, and both bladed to add to the theatrics. Really fun match throughout for 90% right 10% wrong reasons.
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I guess Rollins and Ambrose will headline the actual MITB (as opposed to the title match). I wonder what matches will make this show outside of the ladder matches. Tag titles have been announced, and it looks like Barrett/Ziggler is a possibility, but you'd think those two would go in MITB.
Also my wrestling senses tell me Rollins and Orton win, and Rollins cashes in on Orton at the ppv or soon after to displace him as HHH's #1 guy.
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Could Scott Norton, if built up correctly, have made a good WCW champion? I grew up with NJPW and he always impressed the hell out of me. Seeing him in play such a tiny role in WCW later on was weird to me. That said, I have no idea whether he was any good on the mic. But, even if that were the case, if you gave him a mouthpiece, could he have been a 'good' champion?
I doubt it.There was only a small window between Vader and Goldberg who were both way better as monster aces, and he didn't compare favorably to Giant or Nash who filled most of that void either. Even though Norton was better in the ring, he wasn't as impressive physically and was completely overshadowed in the charisma department by those two. His WCW ceiling was probably something close to Meng. Actutally, that would've been a great feud to see who was the world's toughest midcarder.
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Bo getting chased by the cops was probably the best thing he's ever done. Where did the lines "He touched my bum" and "I'll call the real police" come from? Those were so out of left field for his character but really added to the absurdity of the whole situation. Also Renee's comment "He's terrifying those women."
Renee and Alex actually had some good banter throughout the show, but this Rich Brennan guy is awful. There's gotta be a better 2nd-stringer for Tom Phillips out there somewhere.
Neville's Red Arrow with the rebound pin was the highlight of the in-ring action.
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All NXT announcers should be fired until Renee and Regal are on commentary every week.
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None of these are too surprising, although I thought Camacho was turning it around as NXT's #1 jobber. I'll miss hearing Regal say "Ca-Match-O."
Hopefully Drew can get a decent run in the indies or even TNA. It's weird that they never did anything with him when they've tried to rehab guys like Del Rio and Swagger multiple times.
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Why do I feel like Miz's title run exposed him and ruined his career? I don't remember him being as awful or hated before he won the WWE Championship.
Because it did expose him. He actually did get worse in the ring post title run, and he was actually pretty loved here right before and during the first month or so of his reign. The thing with Miz is that he never had the presence, talent, or charisma to carry himself to the heights he entered with the 8 month long, main eventing WM, beating Cena at WM, etc. The longer he was the champ the more exposed he was, and being in between a feud between Rock and Cena killed him dead.
This is dead on. Also that "I Quit" match with Cena was the nail in the coffin for him. One of the worst matches for Cena, and probably the worst match for that gimmick.
I have no problem with his career arc, though. Miz did show a lot of improvement in his team with Morrison and his solo MITB run, and it was worth a shot to put the belt on him. It didn't work out, and he's never been close to the title since. You could say the experiment ran a bit too long, but I don't begrudge WWE for trying something new.
How does Rollins clean up? Shave the guy, cut his hair, get him in a suit. Put Flair with him. This is like Ricky Morton in the York Foundation so far.
He could probably stand to trim his beard up, but don't mess with that hair. New ring gear will go a long way too.
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Unfortunately, Kane would fit in just as well from a storyline perspective. It kinda looks like they're building up Rollins/Ambrose, which would no doubt be good, but I really hope they wait on that one. I'm at the front of the "put the belt on Rollins" bandwagon. They can always do him and Ambrose for the title later.
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This might get me on some sort of list but it's not like there's this huge number of fantastic Meng/Haku matches out there. Quick whats his 5 best matches? Only a few spring to mind. Benoit, Sting, Wrestlemania w/Andre.
The triple threat tag with FoF/Nasties/Outsiders at WW3 96.
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What was with Cena making so many obvious spot-calls during his match? He is normally pretty loud, but last night he was yelling "uppercut" to Bray all the way across the ring and mouthing that dance/suplex throw sequence right at the hard camera.
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The door's wide open for Seth Rollins.
This is what I'm saying. Rollins winning and becoming the new champion would put over his turn even more, and would help rationalize him joining up with Evolution. He never would've gotten the shot or become champion if he didn't turn on The Shield. It opens it up to fresh title matches with Reigns, Ambrose, Cena, and even Orton if he gets "jealous" of HHH's new chosen one.
Now that we know MitB will be for the belt, who is going to be in it? Will they retcon del Rio winning a qualifying match last week? If not, what a lame duck entry he'll be against the other guys they'll likely put in. I could see Ambrose/Reigns/Cena/Orton/Cesaro/Wyatt being the others, if they go with a field of 8.
It really makes too much sense not to do it. They get a bail-out on Bryan being injured and a potentially directionless heel turn. They're not even losing much for match quality with Rollins in that spot. Only other good option is Heyman weaseling Lesnar in there as mystery guy to set up Bryan ending Brock's reign of terror later. Orton or Cena winning would be terrible.
As for the line-up, I think Cena/Orton/Rollins/Reigns/Ambrose/Del Rio would do it. Maybe Kane takes ADR's spot somehow. I'd like to see Cesaro or Bray get in, but you're going to need some guys for depth on the card with MITB being for the title.
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Cena/Lesnar is still way out in front for me when it comes to WWE MOTD.
I'd probably do Shield/Wyatts at #2
Then there's an assortment of Punk/Lesnar, Ziggler/ADR (Payback 13), Bryan/Bray, Punk/Cena (MITB 11) in some order.
The next tier would have Show/ADR (SD LMS), HHH/Sheamus (Ex. Rules 10), Bryan/Sheamus (2/3 falls) Taker/Michaels 2, Cena/Bryan, Bryan/Orton (Raw 2/3/14), Shield/Wyatts 2, Bryan/HHH, and probably a couple others I'm forgetting, but pretty much whatever rounds out my top 3-6 per year.
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The door's wide open for Seth Rollins.
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JUNE WRESTLING DISCUSSION
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He was the last eliminated in one of the 2012 Chamber matches. Bryan did a nice underestimate->kill sequence with him and the crowd was super hot for it.