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  1. 1 hour ago, peterien said:

    This is usually the time of year WWE sucks me back in for a few months of the year but between the “what whackiness will Braun Strowman the Monster In the Bank Amongst Men do tonight” that they’ve been doing for the last 4 fucking months and the general blandness of the product, I’m just not bothered with any of it bar the Takeover shows.

    Im usually WWE first with a passing interest in NJPW and the Indies but with the G1, All In and a general good buzz around The Elite,ROH and New Japan these days the sides have switched. 

    At the risk of sounding too hipster, I literally do not know a single match that's happening on the Extreme Rules card.

  2. The other simple thing with Rock/Shawn is that their careers never really lined up for a real match.

    Rock was just breaking in in late 96. When Shawn wasn't losing his smile, he was in the main event scene while Rocky was firmly midcard, and they were both heels for most of that time frame. Shawn hurt his back in at the 98 Rumble, and didn't wrestle from Mania 14 to Summer Slam 02. The Rock blew up in 98, but by 2001, he wasn't wrestling full time anymore. At the aforementioned 02 Summer Slam, The Rock put Lesnar over and disappeared until the new year. Then he had another 3-month run in 2003, and one-off at WM 20 that was his last match until his 2011 return against Cena. Of course, you may remember Shawn retired in 2010 at WM 26.

    So Shawn's backstage shittiness might have cost us a retroactively bizarre 5-minute Raw match, but they only had about 5 months of meaningful overlap in their WWE careers outside of that. When one was a weekly regular, the other was only doing spot appearances from 1998-2010. The closest they got to working together was Shawn guest-reffing a couple of Rock's matches with HHH (the first real SD, and their Iron Man match at JD 2000)

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  3. I'm not gonna say UE is the next Shield yet, but in terms of trios that can have good 6-mans with any random roster combo... There's something there. Ricochet's matrix dodge of the high-low deserves a lot of credit here too. Great timing and subversion of the usual rhythm that kicked the match up one final notch.

    I feel bad for Bobby Fish missing out on this, as I've been pulling for him since I saw him working in Eldon, Missouri for Harley Race's promotion, but heel Roddy is really the perfect fit for this group in the ring.

  4. Better than the first episode, but still not terribly encouraging. Matanza looked like a jobber much like most of the Aztec warfare lineup. Swagger's debut was alright, but that new trios champ team sucks. The whole team only worked because of the Killshot/Fox dynamic. With Havoc, it's just 3 generic babyfaces with no chemistry. Honestly, Famous B's group should've won there.

    I will say that the editing and pacing seemed more back on track this week. I'll definitely tune in for the "3 ways to the grave" match next week.

  5. The first time Shawn kicked out of the tombstone, it was a really big deal. Everyone else doing it every year after was fucking terrible.

    From around the same time, Shawn getting off the stretcher repeatedly against Batista with Jericho cheering Shawn on. Of course, Jericho was only doing this so Batista would hurt Shawn even more. Great story telling in the early stages of their memorable 08 feud.

    Though it probably shouldn't have been done, Mick Foley not saying I Quit when he was handcuffed and The Rock was blasting him with unprotected chair shots made Foley look un-submit-able and gave the Rock a violent edge that he was missing at the top of the card.

    Umaga starting to get up after the ring-rope-choke STFU before Cena had to put it on again for an uncomfortably long time was a nice touch on the monster/monster killer story they were going for.

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  6. On 6/18/2018 at 10:08 PM, OSJ said:

    6. Rey / Kobashi: Rey has never had the advantage of working with guys that were as good or better on a regular basis like Kobashi did, have to go with Kobashi, but a lot of that is based on his caliber of opponents.

    I have to disagree with this on both fronts.

    1. Rey worked on good rosters for his entire mainstream career. He worked with Eddie extensively in WCW and WWE. Granted Eddie's his only regular opponent that can be mentioned along side Misawa, Kawada, and Akiyama, but he wasn't exactly working with stiffs his whole career. Plenty of matches with Malenko, Psicosis, Jericho, Chavo, etc. Hell, even in his late-stage indy run, he was getting to work with Ricochet and Low Ki.

    2. Other than Misawa, I'm not sure you could make a case for any of Kobashi's regular opponents being better than him. Certainly not Taue or Akiyama. If you compare Kobashi and Kawada matches with common opponents, I think Kobashi takes most of them (losing only Taue and barely Misawa). Kobashi was also way better in matches with North American opponents than anyone in AJ, even Misawa. And that's only the first half of his career... By the NOAH days, he was head and shoulders above everyone. 


  7. 1 hour ago, RolandTHTG said:

    I don't mind the dives so much. It's just watching him work 20 minutes, and in the end only the OUT OF NOWHERE 30 seconds before the finish is what matters.

    Like you said earlier, I think this criticism applies to just about anyone who works in WWE now, though. Even Daniel Bryan matches are like that now.

  8. Another really good show overall. I feel like I got what I wanted out of every match.

    The opening tag was exactly the fun workrate match I was looking for. The crowd being way into UE was surprising, but props to Lorcan and Burch for keeping the pace up and not letting that get too out of hand. Even though UE retaining was pretty obvious, they had a lot of good nearfalls (or near "the finish is about to start" spots where the faces still made a good comeback after). That was a neat way to break up the double submission too.

    Dream/Ricochet was a fun back and forth match too. Dream definitely held his own, though it was more like Ricochet let Dream keep up with him, rather than Dream keeping up with full-speed Ricochet. Outside of the long distance SSP, Ricochet wasn't using his top-shelf stuff, but it's a testament to both guys that he can dial it down and still have a very compelling match. Dream definitely needs to start winning matches soon, though.

    The women's match was exactly what I said it should be right down to the finish, so I appreciate that. The announcers could've done better with the story that Shayna was a much better wrestler, but Nikki was double tough and crazy enough to keep coming right at her. Both women told that story perfectly in the ring.

    Black/Lars was solid for having a weak build. I was impressed by Lars working that pace and match length, even if Black is a guy who's gonna make most people look good in that setting. The first whiff on Black Mass was really bad, but at least they had the sense to not sell it for too long and get back to a proper finish. For another match with an obvious winner, I thought both guys came out looking good.

    The main event was nuts, right on par with their first match. Ciampa dragging Johnny up the ramp could've been really corny and dragged the match down, but his trash talk and the ring spot made it the dramatic tone it was going for. I was very worried we were gonna see EC3 interference when it became obvious the match was going into clusterfuck territory, but thankfully that didn't happen. I admired Johnny's arm tremor sell of the DDT, but it still felt a little underwhelming given some of the other spots in the match. Don't know how I feel about a 3rd match, since how much more can they realistically do? They really need a loser leaves stip, because NXT really isn't big enough for both of them at this point.

  9. That was a nice little match with Dunne/O'Reilly. Dunne is easily the MVP so far this year, and I never understood why anyone hated O'Reilly. His facial expressions are goofy, but that works to his advantage selling (like that headbutt in this match) and he can absolutely go on the mat or in quick strike exchanges. Pretty much every NXT match he's been is has been good. Loved that even early on it felt like both guys were trying to win. Great finish too with O'Reilly unable to get the KO, so he yanks out the mouth guard as a great visual cue to mean "one more shot and he's out," but it gave Dunne enough time to counter with the injured arm they built up throughout the match.

    Hopefully after Shayna's through with Nikki, she can bully a few of the less intimidating looking women on the roster before Bianca puts her in her place. Bianca looked like she had it all together tonight.

  10. The opening vignette felt like vintage LU and I was pumped for the new season. Then the rest of the show happened.

    The new arena sucks. Feels like an indy that a lot of ex-LU guys ended up in because it was nearby. The camerawork and editing was even worse than before. It felt like that time-skip episode of Futurama. The retcon stuff like Antonio and Dante Fox disappearing was bad. The action was rushed and pretty much everyone outside of Pentagon felt like a jobber or a second-tier star. Didn't feel like Seasons 1-3 at all (even at their worst).

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  11. Technico Support did a great write-up already of why this deal is the result of the dying tv business model than any real creative genius on WWE's part, and I have to say it's pretty depressing news as a whole. You can bank on the product we've been slogging through for the last 4 years to continue unabated as long as Vince is with the company. Remember WM 32-34? Get ready for a lot more of those.

    The positive spin is that HHH pretty much has a fool-proof empire in place when Vince finally goes and will likely produce big-time wrestling shows that more closely align with my tastes as a fan when he gets the keys. Until then I'll just keep giving them $10 a month for NXT and the ability to watch some old shows whenever I want, which seems like a fair deal.

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  12. Shayna and Nikki should do the Benoit/Raven finish where Nikki just passes out smiling in a submission. Shayna's too good to not keep on top, and there's nowhere for Nikki to go with the belt, but that finish keeps both of them strong.

    They probably need to officially turn Dream face with a respect handshake after his match with Ricochet. The crowds are dying to cheer him, and forcing the hardline face/heel roles in this feud has only hurt Ricochet. As cliche as it is, I wouldn't mind seeing them team up after watching their handicap match with Lars.

    I like Lars getting a title shot in principle, but I don't like Alesteir being an afterthought champ that hasn't had a main event match yet.

    Gargano/Ciampa should've been HIAC or I Quit with a loser leaves town stip added, but I'm sure the match will be good no matter what. Ciampa really needs to leave NXT afterwards, though. Gargano is ready to start his redemption push towards an NXT title win at the Mania show next year, and Ciampa (while good) doesn't seem to have any purpose in NXT other than to antagonize Johnny. Tomasso could use a fresh start on SD.

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  13. On 6/7/2018 at 12:05 AM, Peck said:

    I love Shayna. She's probably in my Top-5 performers in WWE right now. But that whole segment with Nikki seemed... off for me.

    I agree with this. I think it was a combination of Shayna acting out of her range (probably the first time she's ever been told to act scared) in a live setting and Nikki's Shane-esque punches being really glaring against a good striker. Nikki doing an overly corny belly laugh after the flinch instead of just continuing to stare her down with crazy eyes was a probably a mistake too. The framework for a good feud is there with the arrogant dominant champ against someone too crazy to be intimidated, but the execution has been lacking so far. It can all be forgiven if they do a Benoit/Raven style finish where Nikki laughs until she passes out in a submission, though.

  14. Been behind on NXT, but the Ricochet flip was so awesome I had to revive the thread. He was in danger of losing the crowd up to that point too. They should probably start looking at ways to turn Dream face anyway, though. He's winning the crowds over big time. I wouldn't be opposed to Dream and Ricochet forming a respect team after their blowoff match. Win the tag titles at Brooklyn, build towards a huge showdown with the War Raiders in Houston.

    On 6/3/2018 at 8:02 PM, mattdangerously said:

    It's impossible to tell anymore.  Did anyone think Authors of Pain would debut and then inexplicably vanish like the First Lady?  Or that friggin' Elias would get a big push?

    I think there were a few people that did call Elias being a lot better on the main roster. I wasn't one of them, but I have to admit they were right. AOP should've been Dolph's muscle while Drew did his own thing.

  15. On 5/17/2018 at 9:01 AM, Peck said:

    Oh, and I'm totally over the Finger-Breaking spot. Becoming way overdone and you know it's jumped the shark when guys on the receiving end are hitting moves like normal 45 seconds after their fingers break. 

    I think you just have to file this under "it's wrestling." Moves do way less damage to the human anatomy than they would do in real life. Guys get punched in the face with no cuts or bruises, joints hit steel beams with minor setbacks, attempted vehicular homicide keeps guys out for a week, etc. The fingers aren't supposed to be broken (I don't think announcers have tried to sell that at any point with Pete Dunne's offense), it's just minor hand pain that the larger than life action heroes can endure.

    I loved that six man, and I hope this feud continues for some time. Pete Dunne as a no-nonsense ass-kicking face rules and his offense stands out and pops the crowd accordingly. Oney Lorcan is a great hot tag. The UE is the perfect balance of douchey heels that can work. The missing link was Burch being treated as a jobber to this point, but they made him look like he belonged here. Great showing from the face team here.

  16. 7 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

    I was thinking of who his parallel would be for current WWE but I got nothing. Anybody?

    Modern WWE booking style is way too micro-managed and corporate compared to mid 90s WCW to have any weird midcard aberrations that are booked like the toughest guys ever yet are inexplicably never in any title picture, let alone the big one (Norton, Meng, Benoit to a lesser extent). Braun is probably the closest thing they have to a guy like that, but even he is starting to rack up accolades and is poised to win the big one soon enough. WWE for better or worse is usually dead set on making a monster dominant or feeding them to a champ who is. WCW... just kinda let anyone who wasn't deemed worthy of being in Hogan's orbit do their own thing.

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  17. I really don't get the "Rollins was carried" argument, since that match was like exactly the same as every other Rollins babyface match. No one's giving him credit for leaning into Miz's strikes (which are normally pretty light) or making the SCF look good which hardly anyone can do either. Saying Rollins was carried is perhaps even more idiotic than the non-existent people saying Miz was carried. Both guys brought it and it clicked for one of the better main roster matches of the year.

    That was about the only thing worth a damn on this show too. Both women's matches were bad for the first time in a while on WWE ppv. The Nia babyface experiment isn't going well several weeks in, and Carmella hasn't improved in the ring since NXT. Alexa being hurt might be a blessing in disguise since it seems like the only way to get her away from the title for a while and potentially allows her to come back with a long overdue face turn.

    I don't think anyone is surprised at WWE misusing Roode, but did anyone have him pegged as a smiling dancing babyface?

    The low blow escalation in the AJ/Nak feud is so ridiculous I'm expecting them to recreate the torture scene from Casino Royale to escalate to their (hopefully) blowoff match.

    I'm gonna take it that Raw's two best heels, top face, and a freshly-returned big name all being in a throwaway tag match isn't a good sign for the future of the show.

    Roman/Joe would've been great without the 15 minutes of restholds despite no one caring about Roman. They can believably refer to the ref not calling him out in the choke as a make-up call from TGRR.

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  18. Sasha probably shouldn't jump on that. That's ripe for Bayley to respond with that airport stalker pic that Big E put onto a pair of socks.

    Sami/KO as the new Edge and Christian rules. Hopefully they get a long tag team title run. Their match with Braun and Lashley was one of the most fun non-NXT matches of the year.

    Also, lol at Drew talking about how he hates guys with no passion just out there collecting a paycheck while teaming with Dolph Ziggler. Drew should be the Samoa Joe replacement, not trying to make Dolph relevant in 2018.

  19. When you factor in that Kevin and Sami were actually signed by Steph after Kurt explicitly rejected them, his performance here was worse than Shane/DB's inaugural draft. The only guy he got with a high ceiling was Drew, and he's strapped to Dolph for some reason. Raw's roster is still loaded from previous years and helped greatly by Braun breaking out, but it's gonna be pretty hard to paint a HHH/Steph firing of Kurt Angle as unjustified after that showing.

    Meanwhile, Paige has found her true calling as an executive and scout. I would've rather seen Rollins go with the IC belt than Jeff right back with the US, but otherwise SD knocked this one out of the park. Making Asuka official, getting Joe, Almas, Dain, and The Bar, while keeping all their good pieces was incredible. Feels like SD actually has depth for the first time since the 2nd split.

    Overall, this was the best handled draft in ages. It's funny to mock kayfabe Kurt's terrible GM-ing, but the reality is both shows got better as far as talent distribution goes. Obviously the writing is still going to be an issue on Raw if they keep going with the "Feed everyone to Roman so we can feed Roman to Brock" approach, but in theory, the top talent rotation of Roman, Seth, Finn, KO, Sami, Lashley, and Braun isn't much worse off than SD's god-tier lineup.

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  20. Off topic, but the comparisons between WM 31 and 34 just show how embarrassingly little the main roster has progressed in that time frame. Brock/Roman main, HHH/Steph working with Rousey, injured Taker working a short match, Cena slumming it in the midcard, Rusev fighting for the US title, Usos, New Day, and Cesaro all fighting for tag titles...

    On topic, Gargano/Ciampa now leads the way for top match. Dunne/Strong moving down is a bit sad, but you can't argue with the storyline, heat, and finish of Gargano/Ciampa. I don't know if I would go so far as to call it "old school," unless we're all old enough that mid 2000s indy blood feuds like Jacobs/Whitmer now fall under that umbrella, but that's what it reminded me of (and that's a good thing).

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