Go2Sleep
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13 hours ago, HumanChessgame said:
I'm surprised Matt left as I was fully expecting one last Hardys/E&C match.
A Hardy Compound match with these 4 would've been phenomenal.
Whoever said Matt (and to a lesser extent Jeff) overvalues himself too much in 2024 is dead on. You can see the difference in the approach between the work of the Hardys and Cope/Christian in AEW. The Hardys (in addition to being more broken down physically) always seemed like they expected everyone to work their match and kind of projected that "play the hits and leave" mindset. Cope and Christian have both adapted their styles to what the rest of the roster brings and find places to integrate their strengths on top of that. No surprise that the latter two have had much better output on TV.
It might be more accurate to say the Hardys overvalue their WWE experience specifically. While I'm sure they'd have plenty of useful advice, they don't possess the secret for turning AEW into a second WWE. For most guys on the roster, picking the brains of Daniels and Sydal would be far more fruitful (to say nothing of having Danielson, Joe, Claudio, etc around). Those guys are much more in tune with what AEW is going for and most of them can incorporate the WWE perspective in their teachings as well.
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They were obviously phoning it in on Rampage and Collision this week, but can I just say how much better it is that Jericho is using White Zombie instead of Judas now? Low-key killer theme.
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1 hour ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:
I hate to say it but it seems like as AEW has grown TK has started becoming more like Vince. He's filtering out everyone but the very top guys from his accessibility. He's got his JR's and Johnny Aces' doing the dirty work while he only has time for the top guys. Everyone else gets shit communication and ignored. Very disappointed by how this is starting to trend.
The billionaire family can have plenty of shitty labor practices without being compared to Vince, which is wrong for a lot of reasons. Even putting the personal stuff aside and just looking at Vince as a promoter, he was very meticulous about controlling the roster and the brand from top to bottom.
If anything, TK is turning more into Bischoff, which is pretty hilarious. Can't manage competing egos because he's too afraid to make an overt stand, alienates beloved figures in the process, fires people in shitty cowardly ways, etc.
Not to be fully negative on the guy, though, since I generally enjoy his company, he does have a lot of the positives of HHH and Heyman too. A lot of his problems could be solved by simply not talking/typing off the top of his head.
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Since I brought up the age of modern wrestlers in another thread, I have to share this tidbit I saw on FB: Billy Gunn is older than Iron Sheik when he won the gimmick battle royal...
The layout of that match with Jay was indefensible. If it goes long, Jay eventually takes out a leg and wins. If you want the 2000s WWE style finish, the whole thing shouldn't last more than 3 minutes.
Hearing about Cope's promo beforehand, I expected it to be way cringier. Probably didn't need to be done, but was executed as well as possible.
I know Thunder is owed one, but man she looks like she has no business at the top of the women's division. Toni guest commentary is always welcome, though.
I still have zero faith in Trent Beretta doing anything as a singles heel in AEW, but the turn itself was well done. Good bump by OC.
Interesting camera angle for the Willow promo. Mercedes coming out and big-timing the current TBS division seems like they're trying to set up a heel turn, but I'm not sure it can work with Mercedes so fresh. Probably better off turning Willow or at least Stat out of jealousy.
Contract signing was good. Perfect balance of pro wrestling violence and cheese.
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Match wise, I think Billy is the kind of guy that Jay White gets a crafty (but mostly if not entirely clean) win against. Outside of the MJF match, Jay is pretty protected. I like the idea of a new angle where Jay wants to injure Billy like Darby but his kids can't pull the trigger. Unfortunately, this runs into an issue with the Acclaimed being left out in the cold and the fact they need to merge off the useless ROH 6-man belts so at least one set of trios titles can be defended again.
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19 minutes ago, jaedmc said:
What is the most interesting part of AEW TV right now?
Men's side is Swerve and Ospreay freshening up the main event scene. Also heel Okada. Bucks have been effective in their roles, but I'm really hoping they don't get the gold.
On the women's side, you have Mercedes coming in and where she's gonna fit, but the Toni/Mariah thing is simmering right now too, and Mariah should be a breakout star herself. Statlander always has killer TV matches too.
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48 minutes ago, AxB said:
Anthony Henry was born in 1983. He's 40 years old.
This makes me muse on the concept of age distribution in wrestling wondering why guys now are so old compared to the top guys of yore. I guess it's a combination of medical advancements, better training, and a bottleneck at the national level where it takes guys a long time to get those spots and not wanting to let them go once they get there. Also overexposure making guys feel older than they are.
You look at the attitude era and the top guys were all young compared to the midcarders of today. Austin, Foley, Taker, and even Shawn were all in their early 30s when that era kicked off in earnest. Rock and HHH were both still in their 20s (and Rocky was mostly out of wrestling by the time he turned 30). Bret was practically a dinosaur at 40 and he was just putting guys over in big programs by 97 (whether he wanted to or not). You can't even fault the next generation, as Cena, Orton, and Lesnar were all at the top of the card before turning 30. Batista was in his mid 30s by the time he made it as a "late bloomer." Somewhere after that, though, shit changed.
Copeland and Christian are older than Hogan when WCW went out of business, Joe, Punk, and Danielson are older than Bret at Montreal. Jericho is as old as Flair in WCW. WWE's top guys are all nearing 40 themselves, though at least in Roman's case, he's been at the top for a while. You have dozens of midcarders who get the 15+ year vet label, when guys who got that label in the 90s were either at the top or jobbers.
Ultimately, I feel like AEW should prioritize youth in who they build around. Swerve is right about at the cut-off for time to pull the trigger. MJF at 28 is a prime asset who should be the centerpiece. Ospreay, Jay White, Hangman, Darby, Garcia, and even Hook are guys they should be looking toward in the future. If anything, AEW probably needs less midcard tag guys with 20 years of experience.
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5 minutes ago, username said:
If they cut Henry and not Drake A.) that sucks for both of them, and B) makes it seem like they cut him for getting hurt (on an indie show, albeit by another AEW talent) which... is a real bad look.
No argument about point B, but on point A, there's a lot more potential value in Drake than Henry. Henry is a stereotype indy wrestler in a company full of dudes who built (then mostly transcended) that stereotype. Drake at least has the "mobile big man" thing going for him, which makes him more useful even if you are just going to use him as a jobber. You could also put him in a team with just about anyone else and be instantly more credible than the Workhorsemen.
Dutch and Drake, let's go.
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1 hour ago, Just Dave said:
Preston Vance changing his SIM card like Stringer Bell…
Vance is one of Brodie's boys, he's set for life. I support the Wire reference, though.
Was Dasha the one that said "by submission" on Collision? That'd be a shitty way to go out.
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11 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said:
Can I wish for a second that these two companies could complete a couple trades - Ricky Starks for Chad Gable, Dragunov for Black and Buddy, Bronson Reed for Miro.
Definitely down for the first, second one is terrible for AEW, third is a lateral move. HOB are the best in-ring trio since the Shield, Gunther is the only 1 for 2 I'd even consider. I'd probably sell the farm for Gunther, though.
Since it seems like Dustin is longing to go back, could we get Pete Dunne for him?
As for the shows, this week, Dustin/Butcher was one of the worst televised AEW matches in years. Menard getting the hometown (province) punch-above-your-weight match was fun.
I really hope they pull the trigger with Mariah over Thunder Rosa. Rosa just doesn't have it since coming back from injury and takes herself too seriously to fit into the Toni-verse. Mariah on the other hand, has been red-hot lately, the foundation has been set for her angle thinking she can be a better Toni Storm than Toni Storm, and looking ahead to Wembley, you've got potential big-time matches with Jamie Hayter or Mercedes.
Starks getting hurt forced them to do the right thing and put Top Flight over. I can't believe they had seriously written the cold-ass Starks/Bill team to go over the obvious leaders of the next generation in the tag division. Nobody wants to see Bucks/FTR 4.
The Archer/Righteous trio is 100x better than just the Righteous, probably because Vincent doesn't have to be in the ring so much.
Nice pop for Cardona. I'm surprised TK hasn't worked out a deal with him for some special attraction matches even if he doesn't wanna be full-time.
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I think Swerve and Ospreay have the main belt covered the rest of the year. If the timing works out, MJF/Cole 2 should be at All Out this year. Last year they did the double babyface glitz and glamour match, this year they get the gritty, bloody, hate-filled match.
The worst part from Mercedes on commentary was fumbling the "which of these 4 would you most like to face" question. That's an easy "Willow, because I have history with her" not hemming and hawing trying to mention everyone and realizing you don't have anything good to say about Anna Jay.
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MCMG would be an upgrade over the Hardys.
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23 minutes ago, tbarrie said:
I probably shouldn't speak for everybody, but I doubt many people are complaining that FTR were ruined by the loss or anything. The complaint I've seen is that it just doesn't make sense for FTR to get a first-round match in the title tournament while the team that just beat them doesn't even get a "wild card" match. It's a reasonable complaint, in my opinion.
I guess we could argue about whether this should've been addressed on TV or not, but I feel like this is answered well enough with Mox and Claudio declining the invite for health/family reasons. A quick pre-tape from BCC or even Danielson off-handedly mentioning it during his screen time would make for optimal continuity, I'll agree with that. Just seems like such a small thing to worry about because only people who watch every second of AEW TV would catch it anyway.
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FTR is made for life, winning or losing a feud to BCC makes no difference to their status. They could win the tag titles at any time and be credible doing it, nothing wrong with gate-keeping for a bit. If anything, out of the 4, Claudio needed the win the most.
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I really don't like the idea of a 3 hour Dynamite being a regular thing from a personal viewing perspective, but it's probably good for business. AEW does at least have the roster to pull it off without too many people being in multiple segments. The best thing about this block was the women had multiple segments for 3 different angles and didn't feel like anyone got shorted. Wednesday is by far AEW's best night, so if they can get some of their programming out of those Fri/Sat death spots, that's a win for them.
Hook taking Jericho to suplex city sure was something. That was a really good put-over by Jericho, so hopefully he won't ruin it by overstaying his welcome and dragging out this angle. Maybe just have him ask Hook to help him get revenge on the Callis Family and call it a day.
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Trent Beretta as a singles heel on this AEW roster sounds like a good way to end up like Ortiz, right down to losing the blowoff match on Rampage. He's a million times more relevant and useful to the brand as a competent workhorse tag guy. Even if Chuck can't come back, Beretta/Romero is a perfectly fine low-card team with OC as the "big brother" who can help them punch above their weight from time to time.
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Maybe Okada can win the belt, then throw it in the trash to discredit Eddie's legacy.
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The bracket is underwhelming, but I don't think it's such a foregone conclusion the Bucks run away with it. I could definitely see Top Flight getting their breakout year going over FTR and the Bucks back to back. Bucks or FTR winning the tag belts when we're supposed to be entering some new era or whatever would be some really lame booking. FTR will always be ready to go for a program when you need them, and the Bucks are gonna be best hiding behind Okada.
Toni/Mariah killing those jobbers reminded me of the long (lost?) squash match thread. This was so much better than a semi-competitive match vs. an ROH team. Julia and Skye could probably use such a match as well.
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28 minutes ago, Greggulator said:
Dear god was this match amazing. And while I forget the context of it happening then, we do have the context of what happened over the next decade after this match. Women's matches have headlined WrestleManias. Women closing out Raw or Smackdown doesn't even make me bat an eye anymore. This match felt special at the time and it was somehow more special that we could imagine -- it literally changed wrestling history, and for the better.
I honestly don't think it's a stretch to say Mercedes/Sasha is the most important wrestler this century. The 4HW all deserve credit, as do many others before them, but never forget crowds were always chanting "We Want Sasha."
in 2014, people were still talking about Trish/Lita main eventing Raw 10 years prior as the high watermark of American women's wrestling, and the thought of getting anything better was not seriously considered. After Sasha's 2015 essentially wrapped up at Takeover Respect, it was 6 months before the word "diva" was purged from WWE lexicon, a year before women main evented a PPV, just over 2 years to main eventing a Rumble, and 3.5 years to main eventing Mania. Imagine telling somebody in 2012 that women will main event a freaking WM before the end of the decade.
Looking back nearly 10 years now, it's easy to take for granted, but the opportunities that are available now for women in wrestling both financially and artistically in the US were unfathomable 12 years ago and it was Sasha's run of matches that pushed that boulder over the hill. I think about people like Julia, Skye, Billie, etc who were literal kids in 2015 and wonder if they would've even pursued wrestling as a career (let alone to what success) if the landscape for women's wrestling was still what it was 2013.
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Ospreay's promos in AEW have always seemed pretty decent. He speaks from the heart and the accent plays well in America. "Bruv" is very charming and it's cool to see that catch on. It might not play as well memorizing WWE-written promos, so it might be a bit unfair to say HHH didn't see it as much as he didn't think it would be the best fit for the price tag. Ospreay in AEW is the most obvious thing ever, though. Perfect fit as a wrestler, promo, brand representative and the company has a top spot wide open. I hope both he and MJF stay healthy and can have a lengthy promotion-defining off-and-on rivalry.
Okada fully embracing the American heel style is wonderful, and you can tell he enjoys trying something different. He'll have plenty of time for epics in AEW, but this is helping him stand out week to week.
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AEW is on the upswing again.
Mission accomplished with the Mercedes debut. Lots of time to soak up some well-deserved love, got the CEO chant over, stood tall at the end. Seems smart to keep her out of the Toni-verse for now, but Mercedes and Mariah for both belts in Wembley maybe?
So glad to see the end of the BBSG too. It was befitting for 5 of the 6, but as the match with Darby demonstrated, it was well beneath Jay White. He's a lot better as a higher ranked heel, and time to unify the useless second trios belts.
Loved the new ring gear for GoA, too bad they can't get a win. I actually think Hook benefits from working with Jericho a lot more than most of the AEW roster, though. Hopefully he avoids the Jericho partner curse.
The final segment was cool not just because it was women, but because I think everyone involved except Mercedes is under 30, and Mercedes isn't over by much.
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4 minutes ago, tbarrie said:
Is Dropkick Murphy an indie wrestler? Because "Dropkick Murphy" would be a great name for an indie wrestler.
He goes by Dropkick Matthews now.
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3 hours ago, Kevin Wilson said:
I know you won't disagree with me here, but I really wish that Danielson would beat Ospreay. For a few reasons. Danielson needs a big win occasionally in these "dream" matches he does, even if he doesn't want to win a title he needs victories occasionally in his big matches or they just become special attractions
He beat Okada and ZSJ last year (yeah he gave the wins back in NJ, but still got the first one when it was a "dream" match), and recently Hechicero as well.
1 hour ago, JLowe said:I disagree, Bowens has the look, skill, and charisma to be your top babyface champ.
I like Bowens, but I just don't see it. He's fine in the ring, but you put him next to Ospreay, Swerve, MJF... Even guys farther down the card like Garcia and Buddy... He's just not at that level. AEW's roster is so absurdly stacked, there's gonna be a ton of guys better than Bowens who never sniff the world title.
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5 hours ago, Log said:
I was recently thinking how most tag teams nowadays are shooting for Midnight Express or RnR Express, but where are the Road Warriors or Skyscrapers of today? We need to have more teams of big dudes/gals just wrecking fools.
Malakai/Brody could definitely be the modern version of this in AEW. Gates of Agony job too much but they could probably be heated back up.
Thought they had something going with Bill and (Brian) Cage before they abruptly dropped that for the Bill/Starks team.
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AEW TV - 4/10 - 4/16/2024 - Julia Hart of (Real) Glass
in ALL ELITE WRESTLING
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Out of the infinite number of universes, I'm sure there's one where the footage is the smoking gun where Punk wraps both hands around TK's neck before being confronted face to face by Jack Perry who proceeds to leave him laying. Then Punk announces his retirement on twitter out of shame.
Unfortunately, we live in one where the footage is completely unrelated to Punk, no one cares about Bucks/FTR 4 or Jack Perry, and TK is still scratching his head wondering why people on the internet make fun of him and his company.