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    2016 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

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    22 minutes ago, Casey said:

    Do you think GSP is willing to drop his sponsorships with Under Armor and Gatorade and whatnot just to come back for a few fights and maybe get all of what you just said? Serious question, I'm a very casual MMA fan so I don't really know. From what I've read the past few years, that always seems to be his main sticking point - he doesn't want to drop HIS sponsors. I mean, sure, if he can get any of the UFC approved ones and get more of that money to go to him instead, maybe that'll make him feel comfortable - but won't it cause a stir with other people? Especially the draws around right now that aren't getting that kind of preferred treatment? I'm thinking the McGregor's of the UFC that seemingly want the world on a platter. If GSP gets it, won't certain others expect it too?

    The thing is I don't ever remember him having a Gatorade patch on his shorts. I remember Jon wearing one against Gustafsson, but not GSP.  With that said, I don't think his sponsors are going to drop him. Logic says if they didn't drop him in the space where he spent 2 and 1/2 years not fighting (with 18 months of that being able to wear sponsors and advertise), why would they drop him when he is fighting? Remember, the UA Twitter account spoiled the fact that he was coming back if I'm not mistaken. If they did that, they can't be too upset he is wearing Reebok. 

    Another thing is that the fact they have a contract with Reebok, which supersedes everything else. Even if they wanted to allow him to wear Under Armour, it would break their contract with Reebok and that would put them at legal risk. That was a done deal when they signed it. So yeah, that shit ain't happening. Now Gatorade and any non-competing sponsor he has might be a different story altogether. Gatorade is super iffy because that falls under the energy drink category, and they signed a deal last March with Monster Energy. 

    2016 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

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    He's not getting sponsors unless he can get one of those UFC approved sponsors (Bud Light, Harley Davidson, Toyo Tires, etc.) and manage to get most of that money instead of it going to the UFC. He's going to have to settle for more money upfront or a bigger cut of the PPV.

    2016 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

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    8 hours ago, sabremike said:

    Can someone explain to certain stupid people in the media that legalizing and regulating MMA makes it much safer for the fighters. A certain newspaper idiot used the death in Ireland to condemn NYS legalizing MMA but isn't smart enough to know there is a total lack of regulation in Ireland. 

    Basically anytime you have someone not up on the sport try to discuss it, it's basically the sports equivalent of "Just Say Stuff". For instance, the lady who wrote the article this week saying Gov. Cuomo should veto the MMA bill. In the beginning of her article, she states something to the effect that the concussion studies surrounding the NFL is in its infancy (which is very much wrong unless this lady knows some 22 or 23 year old infants) and then totally skips over football. Yet, for a sport that has been around since 1993 and only formally around since 2000/2001 in terms of a uniform ruleset and weight classes, she can find "experts" on fighter safety. What...in...the...fuck?

    Trying to factcheck these people is meaningless because you're arguing with folks that are completely unreasonable and aren't trying to put together a credible argument.

     

    Fight Kits, USADA, & Courtroom Chaos (Pat Lundvall is a Spiteful Witch Edition)

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    5 hours ago, TheVileOne said:

    Six months is nothing for an MMA fighter, that's basically a standard layoff between fights. Not to mention, USADA agreed to a settlement with him and gave him a reduced punishment instead of the standard one.  

    Also for Tim Means.

    We'll see if Machida actually ends up getting the full two years.  

    Six months is not a standard layoff when you're healthy and the UFC wants to book you. This goes especially when you were suppose to get a title shot. Keep in mind, Means was suppose to fight in Pittsburgh. So both lost payoffs and have to spend months off. BTW Tim Means still hasn't officially gotten an official punishment yet. Based on his Twitter, he is still going through the adjudication process. He is still up for a 2 year ban.

    Plus, who said USADA or the UFC had to treat every situation as a one sided totalitarian judgment? It's asinine to believe that USADA has to be like the NAC in the past and just throw the book at everyone because that's what is expected. If they won't flexible when it came to things like this, the fighters would be in trouble everytime there was something that was in the grey area. There are things called precedents, you know.

    So if fighters are failing for something that isn't actually listed on what they take and fully cooperate with USADA, it would be dumb for people to believe they wouldn't try to be fair. That's what people were and still are asking of Nevada. In addition, when you're eight  months (only 4 months where drug testing was really ramped up) into a program, they're going to have to allow people to educate themselves and allow situations that have been happening to let people know what is right and wrong. At the same time, they can look at what happened to Machida (who might as well have taken something that said anabolic agent in all caps) and Mirko, and say that's definitely not acceptable. So taking all that into account, believing that what is a slippery slope in one situation is the exact same in another is absolutely ridiculous.

    MMA Becomes Legal In All Fifty States; NY State Lifts 19 Year Ban

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    1 hour ago, Pete said:

    "if"

    Although Foreman's walk-out from that night (shofar horn into Pantera's "Walk") might be a tough act to follow.

    The "if" was more for the former than the latter of course. A big part of "card subject to change" now is the venue. It depends heavily on what's available at that time and what scale of event they can do. If they feel do a show at Yankee Stadium, then they will do one. UFC 198 came together because the UFC felt they could create a card that would revitalize that market. However, if they feel a card is more suitable for an arena in NYC or upstate NY, then that's what they will do. In addition, they always feel more confident doing Vegas because it's their home market, they can make maximum profit, and it's easier in terms of logistics. I think what helps out NYC in this case is it's more tourist friendly (especially for the international contingent the UFC draws) than a lot of other places they could possibly do a big stadium show. That makes it much easier to build a card than feel like you're forced to stack an event. It would make more sense to see a card at Yankee Stadium that looks like 198 than a 189 or 194. They can do well there without having to allocate every single resource.

    Fight Kits, USADA, & Courtroom Chaos (Pat Lundvall is a Spiteful Witch Edition)

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    1 hour ago, TheVileOne said:

    Every fighter like Machida and Mir are going to use the ignorance excuse because it works.

    How has it worked? Romero still got suspended for six months, admitted his guilt, and was going to receive the two year ban if it weren't for them thoroughly testing the supplement he was using.

    7 keto DEHA is a whole different story. Yoel tested for something that wasn't on the label. Machida took something that was in the fucking product name. 

    Machida is getting 2 years. 

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