Elsalvajeloco
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1 minute ago, matwarz said:
In don’t even think that’s a consideration as the more likely senario is their money and visability eventually strips out all CMLL’s top talent, dwindles indies and tries to re-build lucha in its own image. I think setting up shop in Mexico and Japan is a totally different ballgame than what they did to the
There is about less than 1% of that happening.
Man, I thought freebasing died in the 90s. Guess not.
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6 minutes ago, matwarz said:
A big money financial backer is great news.
Or...follow me now...it will be a giant money pit since they don't understand the actual economics of regularly running Mexico and they will reverse course inside of 3-5 years.
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13 minutes ago, matwarz said:
No, the plan is to dominate and control the industry as a whole and make money for WWE. Whatever they aquire will slowly become riddled with WWE talent, booking and influence. Writing teams, performance centres, the same business model established in the US.
...except AAA couldn't make money for themselves.
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I would think the reason why they purchased it was to try to fight some type of proxy war and spark a promotional war in Mexico, but you didn't need to purchase a dying promotion when you can just try to sign away CMLL's best talent when their contracts expire as you would now. Or just wait for the promotion to die.
Tony's company has a relationship with the bigger company, but his inside track and inroad isn't that advantageous. They're not trying to build a presence in Mexico outside having talent appear on CMLL shows. This Arena Mexico show might just be a one off just to say he did it much like the Dome show was earlier this year.
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10 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
My friend, they’re already pushing the narrative that Vince’s only crime was using company money to cover up a consensual relationship. Once it settles out of court, they’re free to tell any story they want to and bring him right back.
It has to get settled first. If it doesn't go to arbitration, it could take years before the dust will settle. Vince might not be around then.
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29 minutes ago, JLowe said:
Me, earlier this week: “Hey, Mariah May is supposedly going to leave for WWE”
My wife, massive Timeless Toni Storm mark: “Good. Fuck her”
Your wife is giving you a pass, man. TAKE IT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!
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1 hour ago, Eivion said:
Its Wrestlemania week. When else should they announce it?
When you actually think about, it's probably going to get buried under about at least 10 different news items. Just throwing a promotion out there: If they bought WOW from Jeannie Buss, it would probably get the same play cause AAA means as much stateside: zilch. If they announced it on Tuesday, it definitely wouldn't be buried in the news cycle cause WrestleMania would have passed.
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Vince almost bought AAA in 1997. To do it 30 years later when the promotion is now in the doldrums is amazing. Guess you just gotta wait for the price to come down.
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5 hours ago, Technico Support said:
All the PR “missteps” this week feel like something out of the current administration’s playbook — say and do awful things to 1) see how much you can get away with and 2) normalize horrible shit.
This combined with HHH getting a pop by glazing Vince last night gives me the impression Vince will be back in the company in some form before the year is out.
That ain't happening unless the Janel Grant stuff gets resolved fairly quickly through arbitration.
Also, Vince looks like death warmed over now. I dunno if health wise Vince is up for even some type of honorary figurehead position.
There is still too much that hasn't shaked out for a remote discussion of Vince coming back.
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McGregor hasn't fought in like 4 or 5 years. Mayweather has had like 2 or 3 exhibition fights in the interim since McGregor's last fight. They've flown under the radar cause they're against like Tenshin (famed Japanese kickboxer and now boxer as well) and John Gotti's grandson, but they were actual things he trained for.
Also, I think most boxing fans now don't really hate MMA like they did back in 2007-2009 back when it was MMA vs. boxing for real. Even guys like Teddy Atlas are covering MMA now and I would never thought a boxing lifer like him would talk about anything other than boxing. He's sincerely passionate about and willing to learn about the sport, which is quite nice cause he is obviously extremely knowledgeable.
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That McKinley could sell his ass off.
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Cannot wait for the official release of the Lincoln files. We have to know the truth 160 years later when everyone involved has passed away.
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Just now, odessasteps said:
Meant the POTUS
It was a joke, sir.
Yes, he along with everyone under the sun is in the WWE HOF.
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4 minutes ago, odessasteps said:
He is a wwe HOFer, right?
Conor? Not yet, but he is on his way.
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The true litmus test is when WWE wrestlers voluntarily show up at the White House.
This current administration actually gave Conor McGregor, who is between sexual assault allegations mind you, a platform to speak on Irish immigration. Mind you, not an actual politician but a guy who has zero experience with politics.
The even more bizarre part is that none of the MMA outlets covered it outside of it being just another McGregor story but ALL the major news outlets covered it like it was something substantial and a real piece of news.
This is the new normal.
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19 minutes ago, Log said:
I want to preface this with, I'm only speaking for myself and how I feel about the matter. I don't expect anyone else to feel the same way, and I'm not presenting what I'm saying as fact. Just my feelings on the matter.
That said, I feel like it's different with WM in that with the McMahon family ties to the administration, it's more of an endorsement to have him there. Him being at the Super Bowl or National Championship game doesn't give me the indication that it equals the NFL or NCAA endorsing him, he's just there.
It'll really depend on how he's presented. If he's in the stands and they just say he's there, that's one thing. If they make a big to-do of it, that's another.
He's not running for President. He's already President. No endorsement is needed. Also, the man has a connection with WWE more than UFC. UFC's only connection is that when they were down during the beginning of the Zuffa era, they did shows on Trump properties. That's it. He literally did nothing to help them or with them other than host events. Trump has hosted 2 WrestleManias and been a super major part of another one. He was a shitty human being THEN. Very little has changed as you can see.
A big to do? HE IS THE FUCKING PRESIDENT! They presented Ventura as big shit back when he was governor. Of course, it will be a big to do. Also, remember when WWF hired a guy to do terrible Clinton impressions for multiple PPVs. They would have loved if Clinton actually showed especially doing the Lewinsky ordeal/impeachment.
Use the time he is on camera to go get something to eat or check your texts. That's what I do everytime he shows up with Kid Rock or one of his offspring at the UFCs.
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3 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:
You said he randomly shows up at events and I agree, he does. This isn't one of those times.
And this changes what? Are they gonna rename it TrumpMania? They've aligned who they aligned with. Moreover, the person in charge's mother in law works directly for Trump. Is someone suppose to stand guard and stop him from coming to the show? The man is the POTUS. When ole George W. Bush would be at the World Series during the nadir of one his terms, whether Bud Selig invited him or not, it didn't really matter cause he was on camera for a grand total of 30 seconds and just to acknowledge he was the sitting president. IIRC He got to throw out a first pitch post 9/11.
Now if this was Richard Spencer or somebody who is problematic and had no real power other being a hatemonger, yeah, I would be extremely concerned. As is? They're just reaffirming where they stand (or already stood).
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Does there really need to be any crossover between the two? I hazard a guess and say that most people know UFC exists even if they've never really watched and vice versa for wrestling. Hell, most actual UFC fans can only probably name a dozen or so people on the roster. I don't expect wrestling fans to know anybody.
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27 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:
According to Pat he is headed to Vegas and I don't think it's random. They likely invited him and will have a spot for him during the preshow or to open.
No shit.
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I mean he's been at major college football games and the Super Bowl. He just randomly shows up at big events. It is what it is.
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1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:
You know, I just thought about the age thing and the deal with WWE guys is that when they get over with their fans, they are perma-over. They don't get tepid reactions just because they've been there forever. Look at guys like Orton. The issue Vince had with the WCW contingent that left was not only money but he couldn't shuffle some of them around in position, like I don't expect Hulk to be midcard but he wouldn't accept losing or working up and comers. This crew has no problem with that, OR being midcard or second or whatever. The shuffle is easier and they'll always have heat, so it's easier to run the same shit over and over again, especially with the fans being the way they are.
Yes and no. Like Hogan had his issues, but Hogan was also pushed like Jesus Christ and given a level of power unprecedented at the time. Yeah, I can see why you would have problems putting people over. Moreover, he still put over Warrior clean in the middle when they needed and put Yoko over at King of the Ring 93. The more prudent thing for a Hogan is to win a title and never actually lose it like Shawn did multiple times in the mid 90s.
Savage never had an issue really putting over or giving back. He just wanted to work. Vince had an issue with putting him in the ring again and wanted him in the commentary booth. In 93-94, Savage could still very much work. He just looked like an older Randy Savage. Shit, they let Piper come back multiple times and even put 41 about to be 42 year old Piper over 26 year old Goldust at Mania. Savage was 41 when he left. So how is Savage too old but somehow Piper ain't? I don't remember anyone else outside of Hogan who had much of an issue putting people over.
Vince decides arbitrarily what he would be pissed about a lot of times. Usually, he would quickly contradict himself. Remember in the mid 90s, blading was mutilation to him and criticized WCW for letting that happen. However, he himself is tapping arteries regular in 1999 and onwards.
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2 hours ago, FourPostMassacre said:
Never been big on SRS but him going after Nick Khan for saying they don’t put wrestlers on the bench has made me see him in a new light. Especially funny since the next day Montez tweeted about how the SP are riding the bench this Mania not long after that statement.
Yeah, you're tempting fate with quotes like that. You gotta be on one accord.
I dunno. A lot of these headlines sound like someone on a dating show. They're talking about what they will and will not do as if they're trying to woo someone. Now only is it weird to be talking about another org during the biggest week of the year even though admittedly I understand they will be asked during the giant press tour, but it is weird to be scrutinizing when they have the advantage as the much larger company. You're don't see McDonald's going after Shake Shack or Five Guys or Sonic like this in this fashion.
IMO it sounds like a company that knows that the median age of the performers in their headlining main events for their biggest shows is 42 years old and that number ain't getting smaller especially if these guys stick around. They have to either scout for the future and start embracing the newer guys they have or it's going to be much worse than WCW in 1999. They don't have a bonified legit male star that is younger than 37 or 38. That says A LOT. A little over 25 years ago, there was an intentional push and concerted effort to have guys who were young. You didn't have many guys at the top older than 35 especially once they bounced Bret who was 40 at the time. When is there going to be youth movement again to get these old dudes up out the paint?
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39 minutes ago, supremebve said:
No it's not. Roger Goodell would make the call to get Troy Aikman thrown out of the booth in the middle of Monday Night Football if he even insinuated that Patrick Mahomes wasn't as good as him. It's the only league where the best players aren't only trying to prove themselves against their current competition but against players who haven't played in over a decade. I do not understand why the NBA hasn't stepped in to do something about messaging. Marcus Morris got on television with a league partner and said that Nikola Jokic wasn't even a top-20 player in the league. There is no situation at all where that should be tolerated by the NBA. I don't think its appropriate for Shaq and Charles Barkley to talk bad about current players, but it takes some nerve for Kendrick Perkins and Marcus Morris to talk down on current NBA players. The entire NBA media space acts like Bobby The Brain Heenan except there is no Guerilla Monsoon. They can absolutely do something about that.
Again, yes, it is narratives. Literally, 99% of what anyone is saying is OPINIONS. Also, I dunno if you want to have it where the league controls the messaging. I am pretty sure that's propaganda. Hell, even if you do actively control stuff that's out there, social media is always going to fight back. Jordan didn't have social media to deal with. LeBron got to play a portion of his career without it so he go to be branded as the heir apparent to Jordan. You have generational players NOW. If the people don't take to them, it is what it is. Hollywood tries to make certain actors the next big thing. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes it works a little and then those people go back to whatever they come from never to be heard again. I don't bother myself with believing in what others are trying to force me to believe either way. I don't give a fuck what Perk says. Half those guys say one point, then the next game happens, oh this team is trash or they got what it takes to win it all. Depending on the day, everything can flip. I don't choose to buy into everything they say.
Also, the reason why an Troy Aikman is currently untouchable is (1) if you could hire Joe Guywhoheldclipboardfor5seasons and not an ATG or good QB and be as effective you wouldn't need an Aikman and (2) someone would hire him within 24 hours even if the office had a problem. Goodell works for the owners and the networks, not the other way around.
39 minutes ago, supremebve said:This is absolutely true...in theory. If you could reliably have great players from big international markets this would matter more than having a singular American star. Yao Ming was massive for the NBA internationally, because he was a legitimately great player from the country with the largest population in the world. Jokic being from Serbia probably doesn't move the needle like a viable Magic/Bird/Jordan/LeBron type player would. Wembanyama has the potential to be a massive boon for the NBA, but Jokic, Luka, and Giannis are all from countries with a smaller population than Michigan. I think the NBA's best case scenario is to have all the international stars playing against a group of elite American stars. To bring this full circle back to wrestling, there is no problem if Stan Hansen holds the belt for a while, but we also need Jumbo and Misawa to be on the hunt to keep the fans engaged.
For what it's worth, I hope I'm wrong. I talk basketball with a decent amount of people who have a really hard time giving credit to anyone who isn't in the Jordan/Kobe/LeBron lineage. The year the Nuggets won, it was so apparent that Jokic was totally unstoppable, but I was talking with multiple people who played basketball tell me that he wasn't good enough.
Japan is also homogeneous society. Part of the reason why the Korean movie industry is booming over the last several years and China before that in recent history is their best actors can literally play all the roles and represent them. There are no casting controversies unless the actors are involved in some type of scandal. I know Paul Mooney use to joke about Meryl Streep playing Harriet Tubman and Sandra Bullock playing Madame CJ Walker, but it's stabbing at something deep culturally in American society because you're going to find another nation with the same type of history and structure. It's fifty nations within one. The NBA in its growth cannot survive without expanding into other markets. If this was 1983 at the they were at, they could survive on just being U.S. based. However, it's not. It's all based on scale.
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3 hours ago, twiztor said:
gotta mine that "old man yells at clouds" performative outrage for all it's worth.
Hey, why bitch at Phil Mushnick when you can BE Phil Mushnick?
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April 2025 Wrestling Discussion
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
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Hey, if you kiss enough ass....
I mean look at Brian James.