Elsalvajeloco
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35 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:
That said, Mid-South did give up on Mark Ragin awfully fast, so it's not like they had a bunch of edits to make. I still think it's funny how in his debut they rung the bell on him to start the match before he had a chance to take off his entrance attire or before he could start doing his Billie Jean dance.
Also, that Alvin Hayes thing sounds amazing. We need more pink Zorro masks.
Funny thing is...Watts for some reason (hyping up his kids?) months later after Ragin disappears (goes to World Class IIRC) did a whole entire segment putting over his sons' friend being this great break dancer. So it's clear he knows pop culture enough that break dancing is a big thing now. There is a whole five minute music video dedicated to Micah (?), Erik, and their black friend break dancing in some workout room. It's so incredibly wacky and pandering to the younger generation.
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42 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
Dana's just having his champs espouse the bullshit he wants to now I guess
Even though he's no longer champ, a guy like Sean Strickland was like weird before he was champ. It's just like Colby Covington, where nobody noticed until he became someone.
The counter to that is a Derrick Lewis, who has the freedom to talk about his balls being hot. Still a top 5 UFC moment *non fighting*.
I dunno how many fights Derrick Lewis has in the UFC. It's a lot cause he has been around ten years plus and been surprisingly active. However, if he has two dozen UFC fights, he has as many "you can't say that on TV" (or even PPV) moments. He will never be champion, but deserves a job for life.
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15 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:
It's a tossup as to who took longer to take off their entrance attire, Terry Daniels or Mark Ragin.
Mark Ragin: Another wrestler rendered absolutely useless by the WWE Network/Peacock.
If you want to talk about the influence of Thriller on sports/entertainment, there was also a guy by the name of Alvin "Too Sweet" Hayes in boxing around the time Ragin was in wrestling. It was the exact same bit except Hayes would do the whole routine and take like six minutes. He was also 6'1" fighting at 135 pounds (lightweight in boxing), which was amazing back then. Just like Ragin though, his career didn't last past being a huge Michael Jackson fan. There is a clip he is most infamous for where he fights on the undercard of Tommy Hearns vs. Roberto Duran, does the whole Michael Jackson bit in a pink Zorro mask for some reason, and then gets absolutely flambéed by longtime contender Jimmy Paul. Probably one of the most embarrassing (and brutal) moments in boxing history.
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If they didn't completely nail the landing on the whole brother angle, after six months of buildup, that's WrestleCrap on a much larger level than the Higher Power. It would have destroyed the Undertaker character, which had been extremely pivotal in the worst times for the company.
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That is the Mid South thing. Bill Watts is telling you that as you're watching a Private Terry Daniels match. Daniels taking off his uniform would take longer than his matches.
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Elix was one of those guys who looked younger than he actually was. He was in his early 30s when started wrestling so it's totally understandable if his actually career was abbreviated. That and I think it wasn't much for him to do after Triple X broke up originally. He just became another guy in TNA.
A guy like Jindrak was eventually able to find his footing after his American prospects waned. Even then, physically, he probably would have gotten another chance if things fell the right way.
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8 minutes ago, odessasteps said:
I wonder who the #2 success story would be presuming you exclude DDP.
Jindrak/Marco Corleone?
Elix Skipper? Unlike Bobby Walker, he would actually hit his spots. Also, he would wind up having some match of the year candidates.
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On 4/7/2024 at 11:38 PM, Travis Sheldon said:
Was it just me or is there zero info about a physical media release for The Unbreakable Bunch?
IMDB says it was released in October of last year.
No information about a streamer, either.
I'm a sucker for that stuff, so I hope I can remember it's somewhere in limbo.
Shit, I just noticed the Power Plant Legacy Films part of the poster.
So...uh....what?
The Power Plant isn't exactly as bad as some of these other places who produced below par wrestlers, and they had one strong success story even if he was extremely flawed. However, I don't think there was a legacy that was left.
Was Hard Work Bobby Walker a gaffer or something?
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43 minutes ago, twiztor said:
'nuff said.
How does that or removing all the context I laid out clear Paul Levesque?
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8 minutes ago, username said:
I feel silly having to say this... but y'all realize there is a high chance Hunter was just working with that statement, right? He's on a media appearance and he can't just straight say "oh yeah, there's good reasons why some people would rather work elsewhere" so he responds in a way that deflects away from that. You can argue that it didn't work, but I think taking it as something he 100% believes and is honestly glad they didn't sign is a touch naive.
I think people get there is a bit of pro wrestling factor, but he's also the corporate face of a company (probably more Nick but Paul is out there as the creative guy). It's not 1994 anymore and Vince writing letters about people blading on TV. There is no real reason to be out here out working people like you're a carny. It's a different time in pro wrestling. And maybe that's essentially the issue. He wants to uphold this pro wrestling sensibility yet be able to navigate into a more corporate atmosphere. However, if that worked, Vince would still be in charge. He is trying to be of these two worlds, and that's not going to work.
Again, Dana White is still Dana White. But he ain't the Dana White Mr. Macho of the old days calling Loretta Hunt a "stupid fucking bitch" and going on transphobic rants against Cris Cyborg. That old carny fight promoter bit is done. He still says stupid stuff time to time, but he is extremely measured with everything he says for the most part.
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17 minutes ago, Johnny Sorrow said:
Actually, WWE has been running a lot of house show tours over the past two or three years. They just announced a bunch more on RAW tonight. It's not like the 90's grind, but they're out there touring.
I know they've been running "house shows" and probably plan on continuing to do so in near future especially if they continue to do well in terms of attendance. But it’s one of the things that I saw when I saw when the sale first happened (might have been Nick Khan IIRC) is they're going to continue reassess what makes sense for them in terms of live events and that nothing is off the table when the question came up in terms of house shows. I basically interpreted it as for right now that there would be shows in your B and C towns and even TV shot in certain places in terms of routing. However, if you're in one of these small towns they hit every once and awhile, you're essentially screwed.
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1 minute ago, odessasteps said:
In that way, he fits right in with Simmons, whose own knowledge base on certain things I always found flimsy.
IIRC, Shoemaker worked on the Grantland web site, which was his foot in the door with Simmons.
Flimsy, you say? No....
I love when Bill Simmons got into boxing for a bit about ten years ago and started being really excited about Triple G. Uh Bill, you do know Triple G is already 33 and had like hundreds of amateur fights going back to when he was 11. So in boxing years, Golovkin was like a ripe 39 years old. So when Golovkin finally looked his age and lost to Canelo, he stopped talking boxing.
He is a casual fan's casual fan.
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47 minutes ago, odessasteps said:
Have their families signed legends contracts with wwe and you can put them in 2k25, so they can wrestle Bruno and Ali in the game.
Ali's estate, god bless 'em, will sign off on anything between being in WWE and UFC video games and the grandsons whose surnames aren't Ali using the Ali name (to be fair, the one in MMA is MUCH better than his brother in boxing). They are trying to get that paper.
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21 minutes ago, SovietShooter said:
When I got into the business in 1998ish, I knew who Meltzer was, and although the major companies were not booking based on his opinion, the WO and the Torch were widely read by the boys, and to some degree those opinions influenced things.
Look at it this way, if over the years it became clear Meltzer liked a certain style, and Dave heaps a ton of praise on a guy like Will Ospreay, then it is easy to convince yourself, as a worker, to work more like Ospreay. Even if that is done subconsciously.
So if everyone eventually is working like Ospreay, and those wrestlers are getting booked by the major promotions, then to some extent Meltzer influenced that booking.
I agree with some of that to a certain extent, but everyone ain't working like Ospreay. It wouldn't be possible just because Ospreay, no matter where you fall on is he overrated or not, can do shit only other freaks of nature like Ricochet, PAC, etc. can do. To quote Patrice O'Neal talking about the NBA Slam Dunk contest in 2010ish or so, "There only but so much centrifugal force for a ***** to spin in the air."
When Amazing Red showed up in ROH and TNA, I am pretty sure he influenced a whole bunch of people. Same as Jody Fleisch and others. However, only so many guys could do that. There were just a bunch of pretenders. However, there were a bunch of people pretending to be the next Stone Cold or the next Rock or this guy or that guy. There was a balance. That balance still exists, and nothing is going to upset that. Only but so many men and female are extremely athletic. There are but so many women as absurdly diesel strong as Chihiro Hashimoto or Rhea Ripley or Bianca Belair or Jordynne Grace. That's the beauty of pro wrestling. Your strengths are your strengths. Your weaknesses are your weaknesses. You have to work towards the former. A guy like Ospreay got that notoriety before Meltzer even knew who he was or heaped effusive praise on him. At the same time, how many folks have torn down Ospreay for his style? Like no one is stopping people from criticizing him. Early Ospreay as a Jr. Heavyweight got on my fucking nerves. At some point, I took the good with the bad. However, I look at his praise and criticism the exact same way. They are opinions.
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Waiting for the ghost of Lou Thesz to chime in and say he isn't coming back for one more match.
That said, some billionaire whose grandad was a fan back in the day is going have AI Lou Thesz wrestling AI Buddy Rogers. However, they will demand you pay real money for it.
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1 hour ago, odessasteps said:
I think my issue is how Dave's opinions became taken as gospel and his stylistic preferences became viewed as the industry standard, to the detriment of the industry.
How would things have evolved had, say, Steve Beverly become the "tastemaker" for the last 30 years? I mean, Eddie Gilbert would have not died and been running the biggest promotion.
How many wrestling fans actually read Dave's newsletter though? Like roughly 5% of the people who watch now. Like the style is the style.
Who now wouldn't be at their level if Dave wasn't around?
Like I am not a big Bill Simmons fan, but I am not about say, "man, yeah Steph Curry or Luka Doncic wouldn't be stars if Bill Simmons didn't kiss their ass." That would be absolute fantasy if someone said that.
When ROH sold out MSG, that was the wrestlers, not some old dude in Campbell, California. Same with the first AEW shows.
No one in New Japan or All Japan in 1993 was booking based on Dave Meltzer's opinion. He liked what he liked and that was it. You cannot destroy organic movements. You can add to them. Now if you wanna say that, then be my guest. However, you cannot contribute any of these changes to Dave Meltzer or Keller or anyone else.
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The House of Gullen: Nick's uncle Teijo Khan, Yomamba the Jungle Beast, and Mantaur.
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The highlight of the week was SLK and Momo in their ring gear in broad daylight, and Momo having to run across the street and try not to get hit. That's what happens when you're wrestling in the middle of the afternoon and not from this country.
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1 minute ago, odessasteps said:
I would argue as time has gone on, Dave’s positives have been mitigated by his negatives. I’d even say the best thing he used to do, the obituaries, can now be better viewed by being shaped by his sources and prejudices/biases.
It's a newsletter written by a single person. If you were looking for objectivity in the first place, that's on you.
As an aside: I was reading a back issue from 1995 the other week, and the issue ended with one of those long ass fan letters to Dave. It basically went on and on about how wrestlers of that generation weren't tough (lol fast forward to 2024, buddy). This guy's main target was JIM DUGGAN. Like 1980s Mid South Jim Duggan wouldn't rip both his eyeballs out and feed them to him. Hell, WCW 2X4 Jim Duggan would whoop his ass.
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10 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
Slamaniafest
No, that is a Coliseum home video release in 1994 with 5 Mantaur matches on it. I checked.
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1 hour ago, odessasteps said:
Don’t want to steal TK’s gimmick, brother.
WWE has like 900 people on the roster between the main roster and NXT. I guarantee you they have more people sitting at home or catering than AEW. I mean AEW has to jam 150 matches in between Rampage and Collision. And 1/4 of the people who aren't wrestling regularly are following people to the ring.
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"This Sunday at Some Saudi Prince Throwing Away Gobs of Cash King of Summerfest Mania, I am coming for you Seth...
And by the way, nobody out pizzas the Hut!"
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1 minute ago, Octopus said:
I’d take a flaming table spot for a lukewarm slice of za.
That Pizza Hut sponsorship coming in handy.
If they REALLY want to go back to old WWF days, they should replace catering with cheap cold cuts and sandwich bread.
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18 minutes ago, AxB said:
Triple H being the Al Bundy of Wrestling isn't news.
What is news is how incongruous that is with the mindset of folks that actually own the company.
They have so much money tied up in talent. The last thing they want is having all the folks getting paid millions to sit at home injured. Availability is going to be essential, especially for two day WrestleManias, Royal Rumble, Summerslam, and the Saudi shows. On one hand, you say everyone wants to work with WWE. Of course, that's what you're suppose to say. No argument from me. However, you cannot say folks don't want to work when (1) your competition has essentially the same schedule and more if you include indy/international shots and (2) every corporation now has based their MO on work life balance even if they're outright lying and don't want you to have proper work life balance. If you had to choose one, the latter would be more important because if someone puts a mic in front of your face, you trot out the approved corporate line especially for current employees. I guarantee there were at least a solid amount of current WWE talent absolutely baffled by that line. You don't say, "well, everyone can't take the grind...glad I didn't hire you.". That's some nonsensical Dana White stuff. And not even more media trained Dana White. Dana White from like fourteen or fifteen years ago.
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AEW - APRIL 2024
in ALL ELITE WRESTLING
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I think it's after Brickhouse cause this is when Butch Reed is babyface again. He goes to talk to the kids at a school or something. It's basically his turn to be the new JYD. On that same episode is that video.