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23 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
entire storyline ends in a week with David Flair calling in his state trooper friends to do an investigation for him
Although more seriously, Reid and how he died probably kiboshes any fake Flair son gimmicks.
Didn't Austin once pitch himself as a son or at the very least close protege of Flair storyline after Flair returned to WCW in 93/94 and it was turned down?
When I did my 94 rewatch a couple years ago now, it did seem like once Flair turned heel all of a sudden in anticipation for his match with Hogan, they were trying to connect the two. Matter of fact, they tagged together in a hell of a match versus Sting & Steamboat in July '94 on WCW Saturday Night.
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3 hours ago, jaedmc said:
That was so bizzare. I've seen fights get canceled during the show, but I can't remember a main event falling apart just before walkouts. Was really looking forward to it. They even had Valentina there to watch thinking this was a title eliminator.
In other news, think twice before calling Mareusz Gamrot out. He'll ruin your 95% takedown defense.
I believe there was one a while back that got cancelled maybe two or three fights before it was suppose to happen, but usually when something goes down and forces a main event to be cancelled, usually it's announced at the start of the main card.
Not to be all conspiratorial and make it seem like it was wished into existence, but it sounds like the Blanchfield camp was fed some info close to fight. It's one thing to be skeptical especially when historically certain fighters might not make it to a fight, however, I don't remember a fighter going this all in prior to a fight and being very confident his/her opponent might pull out of fight. And then it actually happens.
IMO Someone probably told Blanchfield and/or members of her team that Barber is having a very difficult time making weight and probably will pull out "mysteriously" or at the very least miss weight forcing a catchweight if Blanchfield still agrees to the fight, Blanchfield get pissed and then does her media rounds saying she is skeptical Barber actually makes the fight, Barber hears this, refutes this claim, actually does damn near kill herself to make weight to prove Blanchfield wrong, Barber still misses weight, and then Barber isn't in no condition to fight the day of.
It's way too coincidental. This goes especially after Blanchfield doubled down in the presser afterwards.
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BoxingScene is saddened to learn of the passing of Mike McCallum aged 68. Rest in Peace, champ.
https://www.boxingscene.com/articles/mike-mccallum-one-of-the-greats-passes-away-aged-68?c=1
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Here is the template for this week:
BONUS EVENT# 1
PBC on Prime: Plant vs. Resendiz (05/31/2025) - Las Vegas, NV (Michelob ULTRA Arena)
Caleb Plant vs. Armando Resendiz - Plant, DEC
Jermall Charlo vs. Thomas LaManna - Charlo, TKO, R5
Yoenli Hernandez vs. Kyrone Davis - Hernandez, DEC
Isaac Lucero vs. Omar Valenzuela - Lucero, DEC
Curmel Moton vs. Renny Viamonte - Moton, TKO, R4
Carl Jammes Martin vs. Francisco Pedroza - Martin, DEC
Daniel Blancas vs. Kwame Ritter - Blancas, DEC
Justin Cardona vs. Elijah Williams - Williams, DEC
Cristian Cangelosi vs. Samuel Figueroa - Cangelosi, DEC
John Easter vs. Andres Martinez - Easter, TKO, R1
Brayan Gonzalez vs. Osiel Flores - Gonzalez, DECEVENT #15
UFC Fight Night on ESPN 68: Blanchfield vs. Barber (05/31/2025)- Las Vegas, NV (UFC Apex)
Erin Blanchfield vs. Maycee Barber - Blanchfield, DEC
Mateusz Gamrot vs. Ľudovít Klein - Gamrot, DEC
Ramiz Brahimaj vs. Billy Ray Goff - Goff, TKO, R3
Dustin Jacoby vs. Bruno Lopes - Jacoby, TKO, R3
Ketlen Vieira vs. Macy Chiasson - Chiasson, DEC
Zachary Reese vs. Duško Todorović - Reese, TKO, R2
Allan Nascimento vs. Jafel Filho - Nascimento, DEC
Jordan Leavitt vs. Kurt Holobaugh - Leavitt, DEC
Bolaji Oki vs. Michael Aswell - Oki, TKO, R2
Rayanne dos Santos vs. Alice Ardelean - Dos Santos, DECThe Saturday events deadline is May 31, 8:00 p.m. CT
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UFC Fight Night on ESPN 68: Gamrot vs. Klein
May 31, 2025
Las Vegas, NV (UFC Apex)Mateusz Gamrot (156) vs. Ľudovít Klein (156) - Gamrot, DEC (unanimous)
Ramiz Brahimaj (171) vs. Billy Ray Goff (170) - Brahimaj, SUB (guillotine choke), R1 (3:16)
Dustin Jacoby (205) vs. Bruno Lopes (206) - Jacoby, KO (punches), R1 (1:50)
Ketlen Vieira (146)** vs. Macy Chiasson (144) - Vieira, DEC (unanimous)
Zachary Reese (185) vs. Duško Todorović (186) - Reese, DEC (unanimous)ESPN+ Preliminary Card:
Allan Nascimento (127.5)* vs. Jafel Filho (126) - Nascimento, DEC (unanimous)
Jordan Leavitt (156) vs. Kurt Holobaugh (155.5) - Leavitt, SUB (anaconda choke), R1 (1:39)
Bolaji Oki (155.5) vs. Michael Aswell (155) - Oki, DEC (unanimous)
Rayanne dos Santos (116) vs. Alice Ardelean (115.5) - Ardelean, DEC (unanimous)*Forfeits 20% of purse for missing weight
**Forfeits 25% of purse for missing weightEvent Bonuses ($50,000)
Performance of the Night: Jordan Leavitt
Performance of the Night: Ramiz Brahimaj
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5 hours ago, odessasteps said:
It does seem as simple as “I changed my name to hide my heritage because of how Arabs were treated in the US after 9/11.” I don’t remember if Magnus was a face or heel in OVW. (Haven’t watched the last two episodes yet)
he did say recently the office would ask him to rank the prospects 1-40 and they seemingly always chose the people at the bottom off his list.
I think I first heard him say that several years ago.
I think it became clear that once the WWE's vision of what they thought were future stars and what Cornette thought was a future star no longer aligned, Cornette was pretty much on borrowed time. I think the situation with Santino (he may have still being doing the Russian judo character at the time) just sped it up.
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36 minutes ago, supremebve said:
Here's the thing, all of them save for Foley would have failed if they stuck with Vince's original idea for them. They all succeeded once they were given the freedom to craft their own characters, which only happened because Vince was all out of ideas and they were going out of business.
It's a little from column A and a little from column B. It's clear from his brief time as Superstar Steve Austin in ECW (essentially his audition for WWF), they were going in a much different direction with Austin as opposed to 90% of the roster. He was the Ringmaster for like two taping cycles. He was Stone Cold after that and forever more. The only thing Austin asked is for Vince to give him more leeway just he cause he wasn't a giant and had to be more believable.
Rock...between Jim Ross saying blue chipper ever ten seconds like he was getting 50 grand per mention and naming him after all his family members and unfairly maligning him to be something he wasn't, Rocky Maivia was dead on arrival. However, I think the biggest issue really is he was super green and hadn't worked anywhere before Memphis. However, when he came back from the injury and got put with the Nation in August of '97, it's clear that group was his and no longer Ron Simmons'. You notice Ron Simmons, who surprisingly is only 39 or 40 years old which would make him a youngster today, goes from being super militant back to Ron Simmons once Maivia joins and becomes The Rock. He always quietly defers to him, which puts an aura around Dwayne that becomes very apparent later on.
Hunter was also super green and hadn't really been on any big stage besides being Terra Ryzing and the Jean Paul character briefly in WCW, but he got to learn how to work the style over 2-3 years. He was a former bodybuilder who had only worked for Kowalski. Having not that much expectation actually helped him out. Hell, getting punished for the curtain call worked out too cause he got pushed when people started coming back to watch WWF as opposing when the TV was terrible. If you watch the Slammys from 97 (where he shoots on Sunny in a way that would get him automatically cancelled today) months prior to being paired with Shawn, you can tell he has something that hasn't been seen in that era of pro wrestling and a side of him beyond the blue blood character. However, being with Joanie in something that also was unique at the time (a woman being the muscle for the man similar to how Baby Doll was used in World Class w/ the cowardly Gino Hernandez as opposed to being a pretty face/perfect 10 for Tully in JCP) and how he was booked to be in these brutal matches with Foley as both Mankind and then the debuting Cactus Jack started legitimizing him. Vince could have fumbled that, but he didn't.
It should be noted that very few people succeed right off the bat. Very few.
QuoteBret Hart was the guy who should have been champion at the time, but Vince wanted to get behind Shawn Michaels. Michaels vs. Austin at Wrestlemania 14 was a big match, but I don't think it's anywhere close to what the blowoff of the Austin vs. Hart feud could have been. If they keep Hart around, I'm almost certain their best period is significantly better. All the guys you named above would have had great matches with Bret Hart, but they decided to screw him over at the worst possible time for everybody involved. They could not have foreseen Shawn Michaels' back injury, but even still Hart was absolutely the better choice to be the champion at the time.
As a Bret mark and a mark for that entire program, I cannot say I would disagree with seeing a definitive finish to the Austin vs. Bret thing. However, there was a weird butterfly effect had Bret stayed. In a way that WWF believed the New Generation was a cure all for ending the Hogan era, the screwjob actually was the cure all for ending a certain era of pro wrestling for WWF. People make a big deal about Bret being gone, but Shawn is effectively done as a in ring competitor for WWF after March five months after the screwjob. He doesn't get back in a WWE ring until 2002 after doing matches for his own indy in Texas. How much would Hunter and the Rock who were both in their 20s have grown if two guys (one in his 40s and the other his early to mid 30s) were still there and occupying the tippity top spots? After Shawn is gone, they strap a rocket to both those dudes. Rock becomes WWF champion later in 98 and Hunter becomes WWF champion the night after Summerslam 99. It's sort the same thing when you look at some of the exoduses in All Japan and New Japan throughout the 80s and 90s and early 2000s. Some guys became megastars and icons after people left and those spots opened up.
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35 minutes ago, twiztor said:
i feel like soccer would be the easiest to halfass teach someone. Especially here in the States and in the '90s, it's not like soccer was hugely popular. Most people i know/knew were only familiar with it because they played on their local league as kids. They didn't have to make PJ into Pelé to get the point across. really, just show him the correct form for a header and kids would've been sold. And then of course incorporate the headbutt into his moveset.
i'm now super overthinking this, but there could definitely be mileage of a wrestler being a former soccer player. kick based offense. lots of running moves. high stamina.
OTOH, it would've just as likely been Abe "Knuckleball" Schwartz or MVP (Lombardi, not Porter).They tried on 3 separate occasions inside of six or seven weeks to make Knuckleball/MVP a thing and failed to commit on any of the three tries.
Between making fun of the strike w/ that character, constant mentions on commentary, shooting different videos saying WWF doesn't disappoint their fans by going on strike and then later in the year trying to directly compete with the NFL on FOX show w/ Action Zone, 1994 is a year that needs to be studied when it comes to pro wrestling failing when trying to outmaneuver real sports.
26 minutes ago, supremebve said:Vince is the dude who goes to one of those farms that feeds animals, shoots a deer, and calls himself a hunter. And by chance he doesn't make a kill, he buys the next farm over, brings all those animals over, and shoots one of them. If he actually had to go out and track an animal and kill it, I'm not sure he could do it. But when all the animals are gathered around his feeder, he can recognize the animal who's head would look best on his wall.
For my money, I think the best Vince we ever saw creatively is when he was extremely desperate for a hit but he had ammo to actually do something substantial. Between the syndicated stuff and many episodes of Raw, mid way through 1994 to autumn ish 1996 WWF had to be some of the worst TV produced in pro wrestling ever, especially on the level of being either 1a, 1b, or 2nd in terms of the size of the promotion. Bar none. USWA, ECW, and Smoky Mountain television are way better despite lesser production and definitely have the better storylines and angles consistently. Vince was desperate but that roster and his roster building skills were dire.
However, he happened to have a few over guys still even after the exodus of Hall and Nash and a few other capable workers and managed to pick up Austin and Mick Foley in early 1996 and signed a young broke Dwayne Johnson to a developmental deal around that time also. The prior year, he signed a 26 year old Paul Levesque who had a great look, wasn't doing anything in WCW, and likely wasn't going to be used and wanted to be in WWF instead. He literally had the equivalent of four legit first round draft picks in his stable after having multiple busts in a row. He had something to work with and everything aligned perfectly. Once they take over in the war against WCW in 1999/2000, he never reaches that height again even after signing all the guys that didn't come over in the invasion like Flair, Goldberg, Hall, Nash, Scott Steiner, etc. The closest is lucking out and that early generation of OVW guys like Lesnar, Batista, Orton, Cena, and Benjamin all panning out. Otherwise, he managed to skate by on people refusing to tune out and the residuals of the pro wrestling peak from the mid to late 90s.
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22 minutes ago, supremebve said:
I want everybody to remember this shit when I pushback on Vince being a genius. He caught lightning in a bottle a couple of times, but he has far more dumbass ideas than good ideas, and even fewer great ideas.
I am not going to go down the rabbit hole because that's much much larger discussion that can span pages, however, I would simplify it and say that Vince especially at the time was a genius at elevation, not creation. He can elevate people like no one else can/could. He had the platform and after learning from Dick Ebersol and vastly improving the overall TV production as a result, he had some know how. However, once he had went through all the territory guys and applied his coat of paint to them, he could no longer just plug and play. He got badly exposed, but his rebirth in the late 90s saved his ass. He got to be a "genius" all over again.
If you were the GM or owner of a major sports franchise, Vince ain't the guy who will build stuff from scratch. He is the head coach you get when you have a team ready and built to win now. When it's time to rebuild again, you get rid of him cause that's not what he does. If he does stick around, it's going to be like Belichick his last few years in New England where he's hiring his kids and also hiring people on offense who have no expertise in running anything offensive. It's going to be an absolute disaster.
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17 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
I have never heard of Battle Kat, but... boy...
God bless the late Brady Boone, but much like the older Hector Guerrero we saw in WCW, he had the agility of a P.E. teacher with two repaired hips. Then again, we've been spoiled by guys who are so graceful in the air that it looks to too choreographed.
Also, look at the background with all the reactions of the fans. Imagine you're at one of those marathon WWF tapings and this guy rolls out there. You would be questioning your life decisions much like the balding brown jacket clad man right in the middle.
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1 minute ago, Mister TV said:
I kind of think they went with Portuguese due to scaling back the US house show circuit to the Northeast mainly New England and there's a large population of Portuguese-Americans.
When it comes to the occupation gimmicks, I swear I remember someone in a shoot interview clip saying they came from some poll or market research of most disliked professions.Okay, that makes some sense. However, why not make him good ole Portuguese American Pete Polaco like Bruno Sammartino was Italian American?
Also, the character was a soccer player but I am guessing PJ not knowing how to actually play soccer meant we never actually got see him in vignettes with a soccer ball. Why not find some guy on the indies who knows how to play soccer? That way...when you're in certain markets where soccer/football is played, you can trot his ass out there.
The more answers we get, it just leads to more questions.
How much weed was Bruce Prichard smoking back in the day where all this made sense? He had to be baked EVERYDAY.
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29 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
...why?
I can't remember whos book it was from (Bret's?) but them calling his mask a jockstrap was pretty cold haha
EDIT: And I am the second person to ask before reading Elsa's post
EDIT II: Lets not forget that Max Moon was another attempt at this that failed. And (of course) the Blue Blazer.
Brady Boone's Battlekat!
Re: Jockstrap
In 1996, when Stone Cold was on commentary, he called it out specifically which was one of the first kinda breaking the fourth wall things in WWF history. Then, going against the myth perpetuated by Bruce Prichard and others about that Vince was always portrayed as just a commentator pre-Mr. McMahon, heel Jim Ross also in 1996 asked Vince on commentary something to the effect of, "That jockstrap thing...was that your idea, Vince?".
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3 hours ago, Ace said:
He claims that it was Pat and Vince's idea. That they were specifically looking for a wrestler of Portuguese ethnicity.
I am looking at the story cause I don't recall PJ ever explaining why the character had to be Portuguese.
It was because apparently they wanted to make a splash with the South American market.
Two questions here:
1. So why not make him Brazilian?
2. Does Vince not know that Spanish is spoken in most South American countries?
It's weird cause you can tell WWF/E at certain points wanted their own Jushin Liger/Tiger Mask type gimmick for kids so they can sell a ton of merch, but despite having a budget and production out the wazoo better than literally everyone in the business, they never really were able to concoct something on that level. The closest they ever got was Rey, and Rey had already been a big star in that gimmick for literally 9 or 10 years prior to ever coming to WWE. All they did was literally put the mask back on him.
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30 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
Boy... none of those gimmicks worked out
Between 1991 to 1996, WWF was batting well below the Mendoza line in terms of new gimmicks.
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4 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:
It's also ridiculous how he decided to make up that gimmick just because he hated paying taxes. "I'VE GOT AN IDEA FOR A HEEL PAL, YOU'LL LOVE IT, IT'LL GET SO MUCH HEAT"
It makes me wonder if he came up with Repo Man because his car got towed.
Repo Man IIRC was all Darsow's idea. He (Darsow) legitimately believed it could work.
It's funny cause at some point Vince did a complete 180 and let guys essentially come up with own gimmicks based on their background or upbringing or hobbies (TL Hopper, Skinner, The Stalker just to name a few) and Vince and creative services would just flesh out the rest.
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Now that former UFC/MMA fighter, adult entertainer, and parent of a mass shooter Aaron Brink is no longer with us, maybe he can adopt his stage name: Dick Delaware.
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3 hours ago, supremebve said:
LOL, Mike Rotunda is perhaps my least favorite wrestler of all time. He's the wrestler who's work I've seen the most without enjoying any of it. Hogan was at least entertaining before I realized he was a huge piece of shit.
Top pound 4 pound sweat producer though. You ever go back and watched those Raw episodes from some small ass venue in like White Plains or upstate NY with an IRS match? Even though he sat in restholds for like 90% of the match, he would sweat so much you could see through his white dress shirt. And those matches were usually only 5 or 6 minutes max. However, in those tiny venues, the ring lights being right on him made him perspirate a tiny body of water.
Imagine he was actually doing stuff. He might self combust.
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5 hours ago, Log said:
My daughter is OBSESSED with that place. We get cookies from there almost weekly. She tracks leaks of their menu before they’re announced. The one by us is constantly busy. Cookies are pretty damn good, too.
Oh, it's like crack in the 80s and the 90s down here.
To me, it's good but not that price for a goddamn cookie good. Luckily, all the instances I've ever ate one is people bringing a box or two to work.
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10 hours ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:
The worst I've heard so far is the Duke of Dorchester on a Houston show.
Yeah, McGuirk and Prichard make sense on commentary even though Bruce is absolutely horrendous (he even admitted as such). They're both from that part of the country with Bruce actually being from Houston and having worked for Boesch. The fact that Doherty did commentary and also got to have a brief squash match on the very first SNME show makes me believe Pete Doherty must have had the first intel on Vince McMahon. There is no other explanation.
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12 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
Popeye's trimming their sides down to the point where you're just like "yeah, give me fries" because they don't do their best sides anymore
12 minutes ago, WebConn89 said:Popeyes also got rid of Hawaiian Punch out of nowhere
One of the craziest things I've seen in my lifetime is a few years ago a video came out of some possibly deranged older white woman who got literally uranage'd/hit with the Rock Bottom in the parking lot by a teenage Popeyes employee over some disagreement about 79 cent corn. Let me tell you something...if my life gets possibly ended, it won't be over a shitty side from Popeyes. I can tell you that much is true.
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3 minutes ago, Technico Support said:
Popeye's reading this thread like "what he say fuck me for?"
As someone who loves Popeyes (sorry Craig), I am sorry they had to catch that stray.
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21 minutes ago, supremebve said:
I meant the former not the latter. If you asked 100 people what city has the best hot dog, you might get 100 answers. If you asked what city has the best gumbo, jambalaya, beignets, or po' boy all of them will say New Orleans. I couldn't imagine going to New Orleans and looking for Mexican food. I don't want anything in New Orleans except for food from New Orleans.
Thing is though, over the last 30+ years, the Bible Belt has a sneaky population of Mexican-American people and Mexican nationals. So if you did decide to move to New Orleans and were tired of the local fare, you could find pretty good Mexican food.
I think the argument though is if you don't give a damn about the local fare, why would need to go to New Orleans? Even though it's mad expensive, you can order the shit on Goldbelly and make it yourself. They give you the instructions. Otherwise, I am guessing there is a bunch of people across the country who consider Popeyes as New Orleans food much like Taco Bell is authentic Tex-Mex.
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7 minutes ago, Zimbra said:
I think Houston has the biggest delta of any city between how good their food/music/culture are and how absolutely dogshit the city itself is.
Paging Lawful Metal. Paging Lawful Metal.
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When it comes to being "unique", you're going to have a bunch of cities claiming they did it "first" or are the ones who "innovated". When it comes to food, BBQ would be #1 with a bullet or 1a at the least. New Orleans is always going to have an argument with many cuisines just cause it's one of the first and oldest authentic truly American cities.
However, when it comes to modern America where there are clusters of major cities near each other, people might take offense about the statement of there being a bunch of great BBQ around the country. Hell, you might even get shanked if you said something like that. You are going to have a bunch of people who say that the only great BBQ is in their city and their city alone.
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Yes, it definitely does.
The only MMA show I really gave a crap about really was the old Jordan Breen show prior to Sherwood/Crave Media selling the website.