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"You knew what the job was when you signed up."
A lot of people in the media, Netflix, websites etc. are going to get that one as well when it comes time to write their glowing review of the Rumble or whatever.
But that's a lie to. No you didn't. They did not in that invterview say "BTW the comapny your covering is run by a sadistic rapist and you're just going have to kind of be willing to you now do the job anyway."
So don't buy that one either. You know the job now. And you so now you have that choice. It's not fair. It sucks. But it's also not avoidable.
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I want to clear one thing up. I'm not blaming anyone who didn't actually do it (journalists, wrestlers, fans). All I'm saying is that a lot of people are going to get a talk today from a very serious faced "front office guy" and it's going to go one of two ways:
- "Listen you don't have to do anything. We are going to take care of this. He's gone. But you remember you have a moral and legal obligation to fulfill the contract you signed and to the WWE Universe."
or like this
- "This is a family. These accusations are lies and you have a moral and legal obligation to your contract and the WWE Universe and to the man who gave you this opportnity to live your dream and make a living doing it. Now get out there and show them that we are a FAMILY!"
Either way they all have a choice to make. Not an easy one. not one I have to make right now so who am I to judge? The talk will be meant to give them just enough morally ambiguous wiggle room for their deeply felt fiduciary responsibility to the company that pays them and the industry that supports them to get through the Rumble so there isn't any permanent harm...to the business.
For journalists. Cover the story. And if the WWE is your beat. You have a choice to make too when this all over. Podcasters, whoever. Am I going to damn you for making the choice? No, I can't. I have no authority to enforce any of what I'm saying. I'm nobody. Nothing bad will happen to anyone who makes the wrong choice. There's no harm or force to my words to these people at all.
But will I judge them? Of course I will. Do they care? Of course not.
But here's the cool thing. No one needs to cover or talk about this company to make a living. And if everyone there, each individually, makes the right decision, and if eneryone at Netflix and ESPN and whoever else has a financial stake in this operation makes the right choice, there's no company to cover by Sunday.Is it fair to feel like this about WWE and not the film industry, music industry, etc.? Man, I don't know. I don't know where the line is between human and inhuman and I don't have the moral authority to declare it. But in this one case, one that I didn't go searching out, but that smacked me in the face when I opened the news....I feel like I can say with confidence that this crosses that line. We can all see it. It's really clear.
When you hit the line, whether it's because of something you did or someone else, you have a choice. It's not an easy choice but you have to make it. Human or machine part. It's an easy choice in terms of $$$$$. Weirdly I fell like it should also be an easy choice in terms of your soul or ability to look at yourself, talk to your family, raise your kids, and not hate yourself forever.
Is that worth the 6 figures (minus travel expenses) or the 5 billion (poor poor stockholders! how many jobs!)...oh yeah, let's not forget they'll throw that into the speech. The threat. (You walk out on this company and thousands of jobs are as stake). that threat...I don't know man, it just sends into a rage. It sends me into a rage when they leverage that threat over some tax or something...but it really really pisses me off when they leverage that threat to justify continuing a system which commands that "they" (the top) can do anything to any one of us whenever they want and if anyone says a goddamn thing about "well then someone might lose some of those jooooobs ya'll so worried about."
Jobs. that don't even pay anymore. No benefits. No pension. You can't threaten people with jobs anymore. They all suck and not a single one of them is worth your soul. Not anymore.
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You’re right. I mean I don’t think k there’s a covering law that determines how I’m gonna feel about every professional wrestler at every level. And I don’t know that there’s a covering law for how every fan at home should react. I’m not gonna judge anyone for watching. I’m just saying I can’t.
Now I will judge people who are close enough to it to have a choice. At least in the sense that if say Roman Reigns quit tomorrow I would genuine;y respect him more and if he goes out there and cuts [romo and just rolls on, I will respect him less. Now if he quits and also accidentally causes injuries to some ecexcutives, I will subscribe to his patreon.
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It’s either that on,y psychopaths become that rich and powerful because only a psychopath could do the things you have to do.
or that once you hit a certain level you go literally mad because everyone around starts treating you like a Pharaoh.
Lesnar and Laurinitis for their part are just gluttonous savage pigs.
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Okay I think I figured out how to word this. A lot of people in a lot of very big posh corporate offices and driving very nice cars are going to make a decision tomorrow. I know what I would do. None of those people will be ruined if they make the other decision. And if all of them make the right decision and some fortunes go goodbye maybe a lesson will be learned by a few more of those big shots (perverse sadistic preening motherfuckers) at the top.
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I'm dragging myself here, not all of humanity. I 100% knew deep down it was this bad for literal decades. Same with the film industry "back in the golden years."
I feel guilty because I now know how bad someone has to be before I even care enough to just not keep watching for fun.
I feel guilty because I, and many other people, do this kind of thing all the time. Every single act of corporate, government, police, cruelty that happens at this point is because we let it slide for decades of "just do it or someone else will." SOmetimes something shakes you out of it for a second. So, sure, I'm going through that.
When I come down from this sick feeling maybe I'll like Bernard Shaw again or I'll watch some football or something and get back to "the way it just is." But I hope I at least retain enough of this to draw a few more lines.
Like I'm not looking for perfection here. The line I'm picturing isn't the line of perfection. I'm just looking for how low it goes before we just really aren't human beings anymore but machine parts in a machine run by the worst of us.
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I think I'm actually ready to say Fuck Bernard Shaw and throw in Wolf Blitzer.
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On 1/24/2024 at 9:21 AM, Curt McGirt said:
I probably shouldn't bother saying this but... I didn't like Hausu/House.
It's like blasphemy but it is also a very reasonable opinion.
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One thing that could save the entire industry is if we find out tomorrow that a bunch wrestlers beat the shit out of Vince and quit.
I'm just saying. THink of how many jobs are at stake?
This of course is parody and sketch through my mirthful and whimsical online profile.
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1 minute ago, Octopus said:
Gotcha. I forgot he got the Gold Medal in college. Which is ironic because I’m from Minnesota. I did remember the Silver the year before though.
Oh shit. You thought I was calling you a "gold medal hero" sarcastically? Damn. I could see how that would suck! Sorry about that.
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I';m probably very stoned but I'm also really feeling like an asshole for how long I was fine with this.
Like if you were (insert wrestler name here) would you go to work tomorrow? To do anything but see if you could find Vince and hurt him?
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7 minutes ago, Octopus said:
Not sure if I was teased or not. Going to quietly nod and back away until the vibe changes enough.
You are great. But I would really love to see Brock Lesnar stripped of that medal. Too much to ask. I mean it was only a few gang rapes of one or more people. Probably not that many actual individual people. (this is not directed at you but at whoever is reading this at some company and still working with WWE)
Me I'm clearly insane. What I am asking people to do cannot be done. But that's the choice. We all know it and we're all going to make the choice to just roll on rollin' on. Because there never was another choice.
Unless maybe there is? Like we could all start by jsut declariing "this company doesn't exist anymore because no one will work for it." Like that feels sane to me.
AM I that far gone?
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Just now, Dog said:
The name of the podcast is Wrestlenomics. What did you think they talk about, cake recipes?
Thurston and Pollock are the leading voices saying tough questions should be asked at wrestling press scrums, which you claim to want. So I feel like your anger is probably better directed at other targets.
There should never be another wrestling press scrum. This company should be burned to the ground.
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2 minutes ago, Octopus said:
Ooooof. Just read the Brock stuff. Ugggggggh. Damn it. So mad.
Gold Medal hero.
Stay tuned to NBC for the Olympics!!! and then it's WWE SMACKDOWN!!!!!
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2 minutes ago, John E. Dynamite said:
Talking dog puppet, actually.
You don't know that dog's whole story.
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Guys it was a great post. He'll probably get hired at CNN because he's the first one to scoop the smart business strategy here. I celebrate the guy. he's on his way...all the way to...Sinclair Media!!!
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Just now, username said:
That feels unfair, he's probably been getting this question nonstop today so he's putting out what the company bylaws basically say.
His answer then should be "All the people who are asking me about this are fucking ghouls." But that would be an unfair thing to ask of but one soulful gentleman like Brandon Thurston.
"We're just normal men. Innocent men."
- some nazi probably
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1 minute ago, username said:
Yeah... have you seen exactly how "hands on" TKO is with all the various UFC stuff? Their Vince equivalent hit his wife in public and didn't get suspended because "it'd hurt the people working for the company more than him".
It really seems like the logical answer is to hurt him more.
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Great angle to take, Brandon. Show us how smart you are at knowing all the rules and explaining how we have to follow them like they make sense.
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ready for some form of "She's just one person. Do you know how many jobs are at stake?" from some online types.
and not regular online types. Bigshots making 6 figures to write shit like that.
You know...it's actually a form of threat straight from the Vince McMahon's to all of us.
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Of course. That's what this is going to be about. Look for a NYT opionion piece on how NDA's won the cold war.
Lawyers "just doin' the job." Media "Just doing the job" (don't wanna piss off the wrong giant streaming companies). SOme judge will "just do the job' and somehow she'll owe him money.
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The percentage of people who, when they attain even a shred of wealth and power over other people, proceed to become absolute vile animals at the first chance they get....is staggering.
And we all know who a lot of them are. They're just sitting there above us every day openly gloating about it. Like, can we imprison them or something? Or do we just all agree to let them do it forever because "hey they're the boss. get that $$$$$"
And oldsters wonder why "Gen Z" doesn't want to work. For what so they can make it all the way to the WWE some day? There is nothing left to work for other than one or another equivalent of that achievement...all the way to....Netflix. All the way to...the Big Game! (don't wanna get sued). All the way to...Nestle headquarters! It's all the same now.
I don't see a single article for anyone asking Netflix about this. It is actually staggering to me that they wouldn't immediately issue a press release trying to backpedal the deal. But hey, we don't wanna blow a 5 BILLION dollar deal over a few little gang rapes, now would we?
yes. If you gave me a button that would pay me $5 billion but one woman would be treated like this somewherer I would smash that button over your head and not stop smashing until one of us was dead.
But I don't think that's what we're going to see.
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I'm so ashamed I still used a smark term in that post. Jesus I need to cleanse.
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14 minutes ago, jaedmc said:
This is kind of the anger I'm feeling today, and something I alluded to in an earlier post when I talked about who else knew Vince like this.. Like others had to know, and I just feel like the industry went silent today.
And I also have a lot of disdain for anyone who said they were a "wrestling journalist" who only spent their time reviewing RAW and trying to get access to their favorite wrestlers. We all knew he was garbage. They knew too. And instead of trying to get to the bottom of it, they played nice for access and clicks.
I feel like I'm veering way off topic so feel free to delete this but the whole thing reminds me of just how much 'they" have automate the beureaucracy of cruelty through all of us. wrestling journalist guy can deaden his soul enough to just keep "doing the job" Like the sunglass hut security guy using the faulty facial recognition software to accuse a 60 year old man 2000 away and the local cops are like "hey gotta go get him" and the warden's like "doin' my job" and an hour later the guy is in intensive care from the beating he took. (CNN two days ago). Everyone along the chain just "doing what I'm paid to do." not "Doing what is right" or hell even "Doing what is good for the company" but "doing what I'm paid to do." unitl this guy's life is destroyed.
How many people in that office building hear that woman in their heads when they cash their check?
It's like our entire economy is now based around "you're paid to pull the bad lever on them and they're paid to pull the bad lever on you." and we just all do it and pretend it's because "that's the job? How else do I live?"
past a certain point you either stop being a human or live doing something else. Anything else. Harder work is better than knowingly surrendering your entire essence to evil because "things might get harder".
Maybe I can bring it back around this way. I assume everyone at Netflix will "just do the job" and cheer for their new deal.
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The Wall Street Journal Vince McMahon Thread.
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
Posted · Edited by piranesi
"How things actually work?" Dude that is the wrong fucking thing to say right now. How things actually work is that rich old men can rape anyone's daughter whenever they want and very rarely does anyone even mention it. That's "How things work." Enjoy that, man. Cause you win. You're right. that's how things work.
But I don't care about entitites, logos, LLCs, contracts, legal fuckinng bullshit. If all goes the way it shoudl there won't be a company for the Wall Street Journal to cover. If there are crimes the Wall Streeet Journal should cover it. If there is financial fallout, the Wall Street Journal should cover it. But if everyone does the human thing, the Wall Street Journal won't have to cover anything but the destruction of the WWE over the next few days. Anything else means that a lot of people are choosing "machine part" as their life identity.
Is that going to happen? Of course not. Because that's not how things work* (*Machine part # 56784839)
Right now when I google WWE I see two things both in bright colors and nicely outlined windows:
"VINCE MCMAHON ACCUSED OF BRUTAL RAPE AND TORTURE"
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"TOP PICKS FOR THE RUMBLE!!!!!! WILL DOINK SHOW UP?>??????"
You can't do both of those or be part of both of those at once and call yourself a rational moral human.