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    The Big Game, v.53

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    56 minutes ago, FluffSnackwell said:

    The one legitimate argument I've heard Joe Montana make is that there aren't any consistently good much less great teams anymore except the Patriots, who obviously fit that ball due in equal measure to having Brady and Bellichick.

    However, the 49ers were still successful immediately following Montana's departure (NFC championship game and then a Super Bowl win the following season?).  I don't think Bryan Hoyer is dragging this Patriots team to an AFC Championship game.

    ...he's also had arguably the best coach (in the history of the game) helping him navigate through a field of fatally flawed teams.

    It's not like Montana didn't have Bill Walsh and then a Walsh disciple.

    The Big Game, v.53

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    1 hour ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

    @johnnyboy I don't think there's an argument to be made for Brees or Peyton vs. Brady, I'm just talking about the trouble people run in comparing previous eras, the game is totally different now.

    I completely agree.  Part of the fun is making the case for your guy.  It's like in soccer: How dominant would Diego Maradonna have been if the tackle from behind had been outlawed before his playing career started or would defenders have played him differently if they couldn't clatter through him?

    One thing I think that does factor into the case for Brady is although the rules now favour offences, those dynastic teams of the past couldn't have been kept together under the rules that exist today.  Also, he's effectively played across two eras, and thrived in both, with the less contact on the QB era and the post-knee injury don't touch the QB unless it's Cam Newton era.

    56 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

    Brady has gone over 600 like 6 times or something I was reading. And he still never gets hit or if he does they have to not hit below the knees, not hit in the head and not drive him into the ground.

    Hadn't he won three Super Bowls before those rules came in though?

    The Big Game, v.53

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    4 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

    That goes back to Brady as the GOAT.  He very well might be the greatest but how are we comparing that?  The Patriots have reached 9 Super Bowls. Would he be playing in this many games if he played in a different era under the old rules where QBs were treated like any other player on the field?

    Everyone else would be playing under the same rules.  Ty Law as a corner where he could mug receivers like it was the 1970s (insert he did anyway comment here) and no salary cap?  He might have won all nine.  For what it's worth I think that across era comparisons should largely be treated as a bit of fun.

    (The Patriots have reached 11 Super Bowls, but I know what you meant)

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    Plus, how much credit goes to Bill?

    Absolutely tons obviously.

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    The Patriots were 11-5 the season without Brady.  They didn't make the playoffs but that was poor luck. This year they went 11-5 and got a first round bye.  Also,  let's look at the division they are in.

    That's just the way it goes.  The Seahawks won their division at 7-9 and got a playoff spot in 2010 depriving 2 10-6 teams.  His win percentage against non-AFCE opponents is comparable and that's largely playing a first place schedule throughout his career.

    2018 NFL - WEEK FOUR

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    On 9/30/2018 at 6:06 PM, hammerva said:

    Lions with the all grey uniforms.  Not a fan ?

    I know I'm getting old, but I genuinely had difficulty following it with the Cowboys wearing white too.  They may as well have been wearing camouflage, which at least may have held more contrast with the Cowboys jersey.

    Lovely to see Super Bowl Hero James White making an appearance against Miami.

    2018 NFL: WEEK TWO

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    Keelan Cole of the Jags just made the most ridiculous catch, OBJ one-handed style in stride.  Then a couple of plays later catches a TD.  I am not looking forward to Blake Bortles Facts tomorrow.

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