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    DVDVR Best of the 1980s Lucha Project Results

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    Posted

    We had 11 ballots. I received my first ballot over a year ago. I think it's time to close the books on this set.

     

    1. MS-1 vs. Sangre Chicana (9/23/83): 1,159 points

    2. Espanto Jr. vs El Hijo Del Santo (Mask vs. Mask) (8/31/86): 1,015 points

    3. El Hijo del Santo vs. Negro Casas (Mask vs. Hair) (7/18/87): 1,012 points

    4. Emilio Charles vs. El Dandy (Hair v. Hair) (7/28/89): 982 points

    5. La Fiera vs. Babyface (8/15/86): 981 points

     

    6. Gran Cochise vs. Satanico (9/14/84): 979 points

    7. Sangre Chicana vs. Perro Aguayo (Hair vs. Hair) (2/28/86): 967 points

    8. Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy (Hair vs. Hair) (9/23/88): 956 points

    9. Tony Salazar vs. Herodes (3/2/84): 949 points

    10. El Hijo Del Santo vs. Espanto Jr. (4/10/88): 925 points

     

    11. Mocho Cota vs. Americo Rocca (1/27/84): 915 points

    12. Satanico vs. Super Astro (10/26/84): 912 points

    13. Atlantis y Satanico vs. MS-1 y Tierra Viento y Fuego (Hair/Mask vs. Hair/Mask) (9/22/89): 866 points

    14. Arandu vs. Guerrero Negro (Hair vs. Hair) (1988): 855 points

    15. MS-1 y Maskare vs. El Dandy y El Satanico, (8/11/89): 853 points

     

    16. Atlantis vs. El Satanico (1984): 841 points

    17. Solar, Ultraman y Super Astro vs. Sergio El Hermoso, Bello Greco y Rudy Reyna (2/26/84): 816 points

    18. Mocho Cota vs. Americo Rocca (2/3/84): 806 points

    19. Sangre Chicana vs. Satanico (5/26/89): 802 points

    20. Espectro Jr., Satanico y MS-1 vs. Mocho Cota, Sangre Chicana y La Fiera (9/30/83): 787 points

     

    21. Sangre Chicana vs. Villano III (12/7/84): 785 points

    22. El Brazo, Brazo Del Oro y Brazo Del Plata vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y El Verdugo (Super Libre) (11/10/89): 782 points

    23. Atlantis y El Hijo del Santo vs. Fuerza Guerrera y Lobo Rubio (11/25/83): 775 points

    24. Perro Aguayo vs. Sangre Chicana vs. El Faraón vs. Villano III (Elimination Match) (10/84): 762 points

    24. Super Astro, Atlantis y El Faraón vs. Fuerza Guerrera, Blue Panther y Emilio Charles (8/18/89): 762 points

     

    26. Satanico vs. Shiro Koshinaka (Hair vs. Hair) (7/30/84): 754 points

    27. Babyface, Cien Caras y Mascara Ano 2000 vs. Lizmark, Rayo De Jalisco y La Fiera (September 1986): 732 points

    28. El Satanico y Espectro Jr. v. El Faraón y La Fiera (8/12/84): 725 points

    29. La Fiera, El Faraón y El Egipico vs. MS-1, Satanico y Pirata Morgan (3/29/85): 710 points

    29. Sangre Chicana vs. MS-1 (Hair vs. Hair) (9/21/84): 710 points

     

    31. Mogur vs. As Charro (Mask vs. Mask) (9/18/87): 703 points

    32. Satoru Sayama y Gran Hamada vs. Perro Aguayo y Baby Face (4/13/80): 687 points

    33. Javier Cruz vs. Hombre Bala (Hair vs. Hair) (6/30/89): 681 points

    34. Pirata Morgan, Hombre Bala y Verdugo vs. Atlantis, Angel Azteca y Ringo Mendoza (3/88): 671 points

    35. El Brazo, Brazo Del Oro y Brazo Del Plata vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y El Verdugo (10/27/89): 656 points

    36. El Dandy vs. Emilio Charles Jr. (12/1/89): 654 points

    37. Pirata Morgan, BabyFace y Cien Caras vs. La Fiera, Lizmark y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (September 1986): 651 points

    38. El Solitario vs. Dr. Wagner (Mask vs. Mask) (12/1/85): 649 points

    39. Hijo del Santo, Cachorro Mendoza y Chamaco Valaguez vs. Jerry Estrada, Fuerza Guerrera y Talisman (3/9/84): 639 points

     

    40. Mogur vs. Mascara Ano 2000 (Mask vs. Mask) (9/23/88): 635 points

    41. Pirata Morgan vs. Brazo De Oro (11/17/89): 633 points

    42. Emilio Charles, Fabuloso Blondy y Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy, Atlantis & El Faraón (7/21/89): 625 points

    43. Blue Panther/Sergio El Hermosa v. Super Astro/Solar (10/17/87): 618 points

    44. Gran Cochise, Villano III y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. vs. Fishman, Mocho Cota y Tony Bennetto (11/30/84): 594 points

    45. El Brazo y Brazo De Plata vs. Hombre Bala, El Verdugo (Hair vs. Hair) (11/17/89): 576 points

    46. Javier Cruz vs. El Dandy (Hair vs. Hair) (10/26/84): 571 points

    47. Fuerza Guerrera vs. El Hijo Del Santo vs. All Star (Mask Match) (12/8/89): 566 points

    48. Villano III vs. Perro Aguayo (10/7/84): 561 points

    49. Lizmark vs. El Satanico (April 1984): 557 points

     

    50. Atlantis vs. Emilio Charles Jr. (8/12/88): 547 points

    51. Ringo Mendoza, Atlantis y Ultraman vs. Satanico, Masakre y MS-1, (September 1986): 536 points

    52. El Faraón, Herodes y Mocho Cota vs. Lizmark, Ringo Mendoza y Tony Salazar (2/24/84): 533 points

    53. Atlantis, El Hijo del Santo y Tony Salazar vs. El Satanico, El Dandy y Espectro Jr. (4/3/87): 523 points

    54. Jerry Estrada, Pirata Morgan y Hombre Bala vs. Atlantis, Alfonso Dantes y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (Feb 1987): 515 points

    55. Atlantis, Mascara Sagrada y Super Astro vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y Verdugo) (September 1989): 499 points

    56. Raul Reyes Jr. & Climax vs. Mocho Cota & Loco Zavala (Sonora 1985) (Youtube): 485 points

    57. Sangre Chicana vs. Ringo Mendoza (10/28/83): 480 points

    58. Centurion Negro vs. Gran Hamada (2/14/82): 479 points

    59. Javier Cruz, Impacto y Solar II vs. El Dandy, Franco Colombo y Panico (10/84): 476 points

     

    60. Emilio Charles Jr., MS-1 y Tierra, Viento y Fuego vs. Atlantis, El Dandy y Mascara Sagrada, (11/24/89): 466 points

    61. El Hijo del Santo & Black Shadow Jr. vs. Espanto Jr. & Eskeletor (12/1/85): 465 points

    62. Atlantis, El Dandy y Popitekus vs. Gran Markus Jr., Pirata Morgan y Ulises (5/26/89): 463 points

    63. Jerry Estrada vs. Ultraman (3/2/84): 448 points

    64. Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Atlantis y Alfonso Dantes vs. MS-1, El Satanico y El Dandy (3/27/87): 446 points

    65. Americo Rocca, Cacharro Mendoza y Kung Fu vs. El Talisman, El Dandy y Guerrero Negro (September 1986): 441 points

    66. Cien Caras vs. Siglo XX (4/10/87): 437 points

    67. Americo Rocca vs. El Talisman (3/29/85): 420 points

    68. Atlantis vs. El Faraón (3/22/85): 415 points

    69. Tony Salazar, Mogur y Alfonso Dantes vs. Hombre Bala, Talisman y Tony Bennetto vs. Satanico, MS-1 y Masakre vs Ringo Mendoza, Atlantis and Javier Llanes (4/10/87): 400 points

     

    70. Lizmark, La Fiera y Kung Fu vs. Pirata Morgan, Hombre Bala y Jerry Estrada (2/27/87): 379 points

    71. Lizmark, Alfonso Dantes y Tony Salazar vs. El Signo, El Texano y Negro Navarro) (8/15/86): 371 points

    72. Americo Rocca, Ringo Mendoza y Tony Salazar vs. Negro Navarro, El Signo y El Texano (Hair vs. Hair) (9/19/86): 370 points

    73. El Dandy, Magico y Super Astro vs. Gran Cochise, Javier Cruz y Javier Rocca (11/11/87): 369 points

    74. Kung Fu v. Javier Cruz (3/88): 361 points

    74. El Canek vs. Don Corleone (2/14/82): 361 points

    76. Americo Rocca, Javier Cruz y Chamaco Valaguez vs. Talisman, El Dandy y Guerrero Negro (3/13/87): 359 points

    77. Atlantis y Lizmark vs. El Egipcio y El Faraón (2/17/84): 355 points

    78. Popitekus, Angel Azteca y Steve Nelson vs. Emilio Charles Jr., Gran Markus Jr. y Masakre (6/9/89): 346 points

    79. Enrique Vera vs. Dos Caras (2/26/84): 345 points

    79. Jerry Estrada vs. Javier Cruz (Hair vs. Hair) (10/20/89): 345 points

     

    81. Super Halcon, Satanico y Masakre vs. El Texano, Lizmark y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (3/17/89): 334 points

    82. Angel Azteca, Atlantis y Blue Demon Jr. vs. El Dandy, Super Muneco y El Texano (3/24/89): 319 points

    83. Atlantis, Ringo Mendoza y Tony Salazar vs. El Satanico, MS-1 y Espectro Jr. (9/28/84): 318 points

    84. Blue Panther, El Talisman y El Dandy vs. Stuka, America Rocca y Chamaco Valaguez (11/86): 317 points

    85. Blue Panther, Emilio Charles Jr. y Hombre Bala vs. Blue Demon, Javier Cruz y Hombre Sin Nombre (8/4/89): 313 points

    86. El Satanico, MS-1 y Masakre vs. Rayo de Jalisco Jr., La Fiera y Tony Salazar (3/20/87): 304 points

    87. Kato Kung Lee vs. Kung Fu (Mask vs. Hair) (4/29/88): 295 points

    88. Fuerza Guerrera y Rocky Star vs. All Star y El Hijo Del Santo + Fuerza Guerrera vs. Rocky Star (12/1/89): 274 points

    89. Chavo Guerrero, Cien Caras y Mascara Ano Dos Mil vs. Lizmark, El Satanico y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (10/20/89): 271 points

     

    90. Lizmark, Mil Mascaras & Valente Fernandez vs. Sangre Chicana, Angel Blanco & Angel Blanco Jr. (12/1/85): 267 points

    91. Rayo De Jalisco Jr. vs. Mascara Ano 2000 (8/15/86): 262 points

    92. Tatsumi Fujinami vs. El Canek (6/12/83): 257 points

    93. Kevin von Erich, Mascara Ano 2000 y Halcon Ortiz v. Coloso Colosetti, Pirata Morgan y Herodes (9/23/83): 231 points

    94. All Star, El Dandy y El Texano vs. Espectro Jr., Jerry Estrada y Rocky Star (10/13/89): 227 points

    95. El Dandy, Apolo Dantes y Eddy Guerrero vs. Emilio Charles Jr., Pirata Morgan y Ary Romero (9/29/89): 226 points

    96. Blue Demon Jr., Super Astro y Mascara Sagrada vs. El Supremo, Espectro Jr. y Blue Panther (10/6/89): 219 points

    97. Blue Demon, Blue Demon Jr. y Ringo Mendoza vs. Emilio Charles Jr., Pirata Morgan y Satanico (11/25/88): 194 points

    98. Jerry Estrada, Ary Romero y Rick Patterson vs. Javier Cruz, Eddy Guerrero y El Dandy (10/6/89): 186 points

    99. Andre the Giant & Cien Caras vs. Alfonso Dantes, Herodes y Sangre Chicana (1981): 158 points

    100. Pirata Morgan vs. Ken Timbs (12/8/89): 45 points

     

    The top match, MS-1/Sangre Chicana, was overwhelming the winner. It had seven #1 votes, two second-place votes and a pair of #3 and #4 votes.

     

    Voters felt that 1984 and 1986 were the overall superior years of footage.

     

    In terms of top wrestlers, among those with five or more matches, the top finishers were Sangre Chicana (4,500 points), Satanico (4,451 points), MS-1 (4,375 points), Hijo Del Santo (4,366 points) and El Dandy (4,070 points).

     


    General 80s Project Thread

    in 1980S PROJECT

    Posted

    It always takes a year to finish these sets. We always think it's going to be faster, but it always takes 10-12 months.

     

    We've always had less participating for non-English sets and honestly participation has been downward sloping for years.

     

    Certainly, there was momentum lost when we lost the old board, but the project will continue. I think Portland will regain a ton of interest because that's a lot of stuff which many of us have never seen before.

     

    I predict participation will again explode if we ever do another WWF set or if we do NWA/WCW.

    APRIL WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

    in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

    Posted

    I've been looking at the relationship between wrestler ages and match quality which has led me to assemble lots of lists of wrestler birthdays.

    Beyond the obvious (The Harris Boys! Gymini! The Bella Twins! The Usos!), here were some that I noticed:

    3/30/1945: SD Jones & Ronnie Garvin

    10/20/1958: Fit Finlay & Scott Hall

    7/4/1960: Barry Windham & Sid Vicious

    11/11/1963 Billy Gunn & Sam Houston

    9/29/1970: Stacy Carter (The Kat) & Tajiri

    2/10/1971: Louie Spicolli & Victoria

    3/24/1982: Epico & Jack Swagger

    I would support all of these tag teams.

    Memphis Rasslin Update

    in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

    Posted

    To be clear, I think the original post was from spman on the f4w board. On 3/29/14 he wrote:

    So I got a chance to ask Jerry Lawler last night about the staus of the Memphis tapes, and he told me that he's finally got everything worked out and is negotiating the sale to WWE. Of course, the problem with the Memphis footage was not only the complicated question of who owns the rights, but the condition and location of the master tapes.

    I would imagine if Lawler hands over what he has, and they acquire whatever might have come out of Corey Maclin's estate, and maybe make deal with Cornette to let them source everything he has, they might have a pretty close to complete library of the top years of that promotion.

    Personally I can't wait if this ever materializes, Memphis is by far my favorite of the old territories.

    Summerslam 1991 Payoffs

    in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

    Posted

    Are there other interesting things out there from lawsuits. Anything in Ventura's or the Charles Austin lawsuit or the WWF suing WCW over Hall and Nash having the WWF mannerisms (which I think would be most interesting) or the Raven independent contractor one?

    I've put copies of Wrestler's booking contracts that were part of lawsuits/SEC filings on my website: https://sites.google.com/site/chrisharrington/mookieghana-prowrestlingstatistics/wwe_contracts

    Includes Shane, Vince, Linda, Stephanie McMahon and Jim Ross along with Triple H, Brock Lesnar, Kanyon, Mike Sanders, Raven and Ultimate Warrior.

    Summerslam 1991 Payoffs

    in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

    Posted

    What's the correct definition?

    Draw is just an advance against your future paycheck. Essentially, it's upfront money so you can pay road expenses. It's not additive to what you're paid. So, when Sherri made $5,000 w/ $200 draw, that meant she was paid the $200 now and so her future pay for the event would have only been $4,800. In the article (at least in the original version we posted), we treated it like Sherri would have made $5,200 which is bad voodoo wrestlenomics.

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    Summerslam 1991 Payoffs

    in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

    Posted

    Full payoff sheet can be viewed here:

    http://imgur.com/a/HVO0C#0

     

    There's not much difference, really.  The unaltered version just has the match rundown at the top of each page.

    The original was filed as an exhibit in the Ultimate Warrior/WWE lawsuit(s). You can see the PDF that was in the case originally & the images at https://sites.google.com/site/chrisharrington/mookieghana-prowrestlingstatistics/summerslam1991

    And yes, we (author Wooly & I) screwed up the definition of draw in the WhatCulture article. That was a major brainfart on our part we're pretty embarrassed by that. Unfortunately, once the article is published, we can't edit it. So, right now, it stays unchanged. Wooly even got an unsolicited DM on twitter from Colt Cabana explaining the correct definition of a draw which was amusing.

    MARCH WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

    in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

    Posted

    Great piece by @WoolyWoolhouse over at WhatCulture, WWE: 10 Surprising Revelations From The 1991 Summerslam Payroll Sheet

    intro.jpg

    It's another fun companion piece to Bix's great piece about the Ultimate Warrior in the latest issue of FSM. The payroll for the event was one of the exhibits in the lawsuit which Bix was chronicling.

    EDIT: And I totally screwed up the DRAW concept so ignore that part, but the rest is true.

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    MARCH WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

    in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

    Posted

    Kanyon, Sanders, Raven were challenging over the independent contractor thing

     

    From the link provided in the post.

     

    In October 2008, as part of WWE's response to the lawsuit, the booking contracts for all three wrestlers were included as exhibits of WWE's motion to dismiss.

     

    I am assuming Borash's might have come out as part of the TNA vs. WWE lawsuit. Or... Borash had to file suit to collect unpaid royalties. 

     

    Since Chris didn't specify on that one - I am just guessing there

    The Borash contract was part of the Sonny Onoo Discrimination lawsuit. Part of Onoo's claim has to deal with how he was in a gray area since he was doing consulting for Turner -- he worked in their office, on their computer, sometimes had to deal with them for some medical stuff -- this was part of his claim that he clearly wasn't an independent contractor. The Borash contract was an exhibit in the trial.

    MARCH WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

    in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

    Posted

    I updated my website with some additional WCW & WWE Contracts if anyone is curious.

    https://sites.google.com/site/chrisharrington/mookieghana-prowrestlingstatistics/wwe_contracts

    Corporate Officers (SEC Filings): Shane McMahon, Vince McMahon, Linda McMahon, Paul Levesque (Triple H), Stephanie McMahon, Jim Ross

    Booking Contracts from Lawsuits: Brock Lesnar (2003), Chris Kanyon (2002), Mike Sanders (2001), Raven (2000), Ultimate Warrior (1987), Ultimate Warrior (1992), Ultimate Warrior (1996), Jeremy Borash, Sonny Onoo

    Good companion material to the new Fighting Spirit Magazine article (Issue 104) all about the Ultimate Warrior-WWE lawsuit(s) by Bix.

    Wrestling Observer/Meltzer Ominbus Thread

    in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

    Posted

    Id be curious to see the markets run by cena tour vs bryan tour. If cena shows are consistantly the larger markets, it would stand to reason that they would draw better.

    Sounds like a mookieghana project.

     

    I already explored this in depth: http://indeedwrestling.blogspot.com/2014/02/wwe-live-events-daniel-bryan-versus.html

     

    I adjusted for size of the cities.  Cena tours were off about 140 from the city averages while Bryan tours were off about 670.  If both guys were on the show, they were up about 750.

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