EN090
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Pathetic in the ring is a bit strong. He's not fucking Jackie Gayda.
The point I was making is that with WWE being as high on comedy as they are, a guy that's funnier than their entire roster might get picked up. Unless he pissed someone off.
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He's hasn't had anything really epic. His match with Eric Young this past week was fun. The Texas Death Match with Bully Ray at Slammiversary was entertainig. He's not anything that special in the ring but he's perfectly passable and can get better. His strength is his character and the he's comedy gold. Give him Miz's gimmick and he would blow Miz out the fucking water.
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I think EC3 is the only one with a decent chance. Maybe Joe because of how much other wrestlers pull for him, but I would almost just want to see Joe in NXT and not on the big stage.
EC3 reminds me so much of Kenny "Mr. Beautiful" Santucci of MTVs The Challenge fame. I always thought Kenny would make for a good wrestler, but EC3 is basically doing the same schtick.
He's fucking fabulous. I was watching that segment from a month ago of him and Spud getting arrested and it had me in tears.
"I know all the money in this town. I know Donald Trump! I know Bernie Madoff! I know Carmelo Anthony!"
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Looking past the utter insanity of that post, I'd like to make a larger point that most of the guys who've been in TNA aren't the types of wrestlers that WWE would go after, regardless of whether they've worked for TNA or not.
A short guy with a southern accent isn't exactly Vince McMahon's cup of tea (even though he actually was offered a developmental deal back in the day). Bobby Roode? Good worker, decent on the mic but probably seen as pretty bland in Vince's eyes and he's in his mid 30's. EC3, they just dropped the ball on and failed to recognize his talent. They would be idiots not to take him back. But the guys that were WWE-type workers got signed-- Monty Brown. They wanted to sign Abyss in 2004.
And sorry, saying that it would be better for the industry if they went under is the epitome of ignorance. They simply haven't done anything bad enough, certainly in recent memory, to justify that position.
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Can't wait for the Bulls first preseason game tomorrow. I'd assume that Thibs doesn't keep the starters in for long minutes, so it might be a good chance to get a look at McDermott & Mirotic.
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I'm actually speechless. Post of the year, right there.
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Whatever. Its a moot point cuz they ain't going out of business anyway.
On that note, I'm going to the bar. Night ya'll.
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So the industry would be better without a company that provides workers a chance to get on TV and make SOME money. It would be better of they weren't around so wrestlers made NO money and didn't have a chance get on TV. Phenomenal logic.
And since its a free country, like you said, I think we can trust people to make their own decisions as to where they want to work.
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ENO90:
As the resident champion of fair play and all things sweetness and light, I shall try and control the snark... Most people wanted TNA to succeed, indeed, the rise of a legit #2 promotion would be the best thing in the world for WWE. Competition makes one stronger, that's a fact. The problem is that Dixie Carter is too arrogant to learn from her mistakes. They have a goodly amount of talent, (not as much as WWE, but certainly enough). However, they are fascinated by wheeling out has-beens, cast-offs and malcontents as though these guys are the next big thing. Tommy Dreamer? C'mon, Dreamer was barely passable twenty years ago. Broadus Clay? From all accounts he's a very nice man. There's lots of nice people who need jobs, it doesn't mean that you hire them and put them on tv. Dudleys? They were done, done, done, a decade ago.
Here's what they do right:
Talent. Plenty of younger guys that they should be pushing.
Production. They ain't WWE, but they are light years ahead of ROH.
Here's what they do wrong:
Lack of Talent - Bringing in various has-beens, cast-offs and malcontents. Angle has been passable, Christian (when he's not hurt) puts in yeoman's effort wherever he is, a damn good pick up, but they couldn't keep him. Several major players need to go, Abyss is bloody awful, always has been. The Dudleys were stale ten years ago, Angle might die in the ring at any moment. Samoa Joe is fat and lazy. There was a point that I considered him the best in the world, but that was a long time and many cheeseburgers ago.
Horrible writing - There are probably fifty people on this board who could script a better wrestling program. Matter of fact, there are several of us that write professionally. It's not that hard to write an hour or two of TV and keep everyone busy doing something. Look at NXT as an example of how to do it.
On screen Authority Figure - This is the kiss of death for every mark-run promotion, the desire of the money mark to put themselves in the limelight. For every McMahon (and let's be real, all three worked very hard to do what they did, Linda being the only exception), 99% of money marks lack the physical ability, the charisma, the training, and any concept of how to get an angle across. Dixie Carter is one of the worst and I've seen a lot of inept promoters trying to be part of the show.
Imitating the competition, this is a move that is foredoomed to failure even when you occasionally are better. The perception (generally accurate) is that you lack the essentials to do anything different and therefore are a second-rate entity not meant to be taken seriously.
So why do we mock TNA? Because with all the time and money and all the expectations, they fail again and again to learn from their mistakes. The most venomous haters were the ones that originally had the highest hopes. It's like watching a six year old touching up a Steve Ditko original with a Sharpie, just bloody painful to watch.
Thanks for the well thought out post.
There's a lot of stuff in there that I agree with. I AGREE that Dixie Carter is inept and that the company will go nowhere as long as she is in charge.
I agree in general with the signing of WWE castoffs, although they shouldn't all be lumped together. Some would call EC3 a WWE castoff but in TNA, he's flourished Into a phenomenal performer. And his comedic timing is better any WWE-brand comedy that Vince and his writers come up with.
Where I disagree is this idea of "copying". Everything in wrestling is a copy of something else. The entire format of Raw for the last 15 years is a DIRECT ripoff of WCW Monday Nitro. The on-screen authority is a DIRECT ripoff of Eric Bischoff, who was the first to do it. If TNA came up with anything that resembled a WWE creation to the point that DX resembled the nWo, they'd be ripped mercilessly. WWE copied back then and they still copy to this day, and everyone seems to be fine with it.
As for the idea of TNA or anyone else being a legit number 2-- that ain't gonna happen without Ted Turner levels of money, regardless of the dumb mistakes they've made.
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In all fairness Jae, this thread is more of a playground for people to come and clown around, with TNA being the main toy. There's people that come here for the sole purpose of taking a dump on TNA, saying that they're going out of business soon, and then leaving. That really doesn't happen in the WWE threads, when often times Raw should be subjected to TNA-level snark.
I thought Lashley's match with Aries was pretty good. He's never going to be a a Daniel Bryan-- I was referring more to the way he's being booked n portrayed. He's passable in the ring but I'd like to see him work a stiffer style ala Lesnar (which, of course, would lead to "TNA is copying WWE" crying).
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Just because its meant to be comedy doesn't make good. Its dumb Vince McMahon comedy, cut out of the same mold as Katie Vick, foot fetishes, etc.
On another awesome note, EC3 and Robbie E have started their own podcast.
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I'd like to point out that EC3/Rockstar Spud and killer Bobby Lashley are two of the best things in wrestling TV right now, certainly better than the majority of the nonsense that goes on Monday nights.
Some of the LOL TNA stuff should be directed to the WWE threads. A fucking wresting bunny is ten times worse than anything on TNA television in recent memory.
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In the interest of not getting suspended again, I'd like to know what is and isn't allowed?
Because I was under the impression that trolling and general douchbaggary were not allowed, but looking at the thread, there's about a page and a half of nothing but that stuff, from all the usual suspects, and no one says a word about it.
I respect the wishes of the mods and am trying to tone it down, but I would hope the rules would be applied equally to all.
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There's several guys on the board who've done stand-up, some current and ex-rasslers who may well have done comedy, Ramsey-on-the-radio, etc.
Somehow I doubt that any of them populate the TNA threads.
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So much cleverness going on, honestly, its like we have a bunch of professional comedians on here.
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EC3 is still awesome. Such a natural heel. Don't know what WWE was thinking.
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I'll be honest, I always liked the Ringmaster gimmick. It's not like they gave him a top hat and tails like a circus ringmaster. Plus, putting him with DiBiase shouldn't have been out of the ordinary since he had managers for a good bit of time in WCW.
Except for the fact that he already proved what an awesome talker he was during his ECW time.
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The best part of the latest MNW installment was Vince still trying to defend the Ringmaster gimmick, 18 years later.
"He's a master of what happens in the ring..."
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Does anyone else have a problem with programming freezing a good amount of the time? That, and taking forever to load after fast forwarding?
Not sure if its my Internet connection of what..
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Did that include any kind of no compete agreement? Not sure how long it was until Raven went to ECW.
Bischoff of all people would have covered that base, when it came WWE at least.
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This is probably me underestimating the incompetence of WCW, but idk how someone with any sort of common sense could not take into account those 4 guys jumping to the competition within days.
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No worries.
Interesting.There have always been noncompete clauses when you worked for WWF/E and WCW/JCP. Its what stopped Flair from showing up at SummerSlam after Herd fired him from WCW. ECW didn't start counting as a place that violated that clause until they went to PPV (which is why Foley, Austin, and Pillman did stints there)
Only guys that ever didn't have to wait after a quit/release were Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero and Saturn because they got granted unconditional releases because of the Busch/Sullivan bullshit.
Luger and Madusa jumping across were contract expirations and not premature terminations.
Crazy to think that not only would WCW (Bill Busch at the time) unconditionally release Benoit & Co. but they wouldn't even negotiate a no compete.
Given how much those four wanted to leave, you would think that they wouldn't have balked at having to wait 3 months. Instead, Busch just let them walk straight onto Raw.
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i muat say, its pretty sad that those are the people that run TNA.
If there was ever a picture worth a 1,000 words.
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Weren't Austin and Foley and even Pillman in ECW just waiting out their noncompete clauses and holding until there was a spot and background for their debut? Like, Taz, Douglas, and Snow were the only active people Vince scooped up.
There were no compete clauses back then?
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I just watched some of his stuff from NXT that I had never seen. Honest to god, he had to have pissed someone off to not get picked up. I don't get it.