Thomas Bugg
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21 minutes ago, J.T. said:
I cannot watch my FMW tapes from Tokyo Pop without turning the volume all the way down. The two dudes on commentary blow goats.
You mean those home releases they had in stores nationwide? The commentary was so bad that it fucked up Mike Awesome/Masato Tanaka. How do you fuck up Awesome/Tanaka??
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2 hours ago, RIPPA said:
Well it's more "every match ever called by Matt Stryker or Josh Matthews"
Striker I can tolerate. Matthews makes me wish for temporary deafness.
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4 hours ago, Pete said:
Few years ago I went to an FWE show in Brooklyn that had a trios match with the Young Bucks/Petey Williams vs Paul London/Brian Kendrick/Jay Lethal. Live it was a super match with a hot crowd and all six guys clicking nicely... but rewatching it awhile back, you had Michael Schiavello on commentary with all sorts of THIS IS THE GREATEST MATCH IN PRO WRESTLING HISTORY~! nonsense. It was horrific.
Speaking of New York feds I remember watching Low Ki take on (I believe) Ricochet on a match that was posted to Youtube- only it was HOG. I hope the fans in Queens liked the match because I couldn't watch it past 4 minutes. Not only was the commentary the shits, but HOG has the worst camera crew I've ever seen, and in the indies that covers a lot of ground. I hoped they fired that entire crew.
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Now I'll preface this post by saying that I've no room to talk, as during my time as a play-by-play guy in small indies I wasn't exactly Solie. But at least only the local crowds, and maybe some obscure Youtube or Facebook videos, were witness to my botchery.
I couldn't stand watching ROH on HDNet sometimes because of horrible commentary- Prazak was what he was, either you liked him or hated him, no in-between. But that Hog guy or whatever the fuck sounded like JR's mentally challenged cousin.
And then I just watched the Cruiserweight Collection on the WWE Network and one of the matches featured was a three way ladder match between the Jung Dragons, 3 Count and Karagias/Knoble from Starrcade 2000. I never watched the PPV before and the fact that it was under Russo's shitty regime only made me more hesitant to watch it, but Meltzer gave this match 4 stars or whatever so I thought I'd check it out. I couldn't make it past the first three minutes of the match. You just know Tony Schiavone had to be thinking, "How in the fuck did I go from Jim Ross, Bob Caudle, Heenan and Tenay to these douchebags??" And not saying that Schiavone was an all time great- he was good whenever he didn't have idiots producing him- but Stevie Ray and Mark Madden? Seriously?
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8 hours ago, Belgian_Waffle said:
Not sure if this has been a topic of discussion yet (I realize AJPW is pretty niche these days) but....who are we all speculating will be Jun Akiyama's partner in this year's Real World Tag League??
It's gotta be Taiyo Kea right? Or Mutoh? ...Akebono?Kea most likely
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This is more of an opinion based question, but why did the WWF Light Heavyweight Division fail?
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On 10/21/2016 at 1:09 AM, SorceressKnight said:
From the other "sympathetic heels" thread and bumping to separate them:
The last posts realized a good recent one: Batista turning heel on the road to Wrestlemania.
Batista got to come back- he wanted the title all along. He never denied anything beyond that- the guy just wants to be World Champion and always has been. He won the Royal Rumble...but at the same time, it's not HIS fault the fans preferred Daniel Bryan over him and wanted him to be World Champion. Batista didn't exactly go to HHH and tell him not to put Bryan in the Rumble so he could win, he didn't beat down Bryan so he couldn't be in the Rumble...he just was entered into the Rumble match and happened to win the match, but fans wanted someone else instead and turned on him solely because he wasn't the guy they wanted.
Damn, I didn't even think of it that way! And come to think of it, he never got a one on one match for the belt either, and a Bryan-Bats match would've been at least different and interesting.
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On 10/22/2016 at 4:54 AM, jstout said:
A classic sympathetic heel scenario from a while back was Boo Bradley in Smoky Mountain Wrestling.
Yes. If I remember correctly Candido and Sunny treated him like pure crap for what seemed like forever.
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I was waiting for someone to upload this one. Oh glory, flair got the asswhoopin' of a lifetime....and NOT ONE MEMBER OF THE WWE ROSTER CAME TO HIS DAMN DEFENSE!!!
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Since we're on ROH another one that came to mind during the Gabe Sapolsky era was when The Embassy was treating Jade Chung like shit. Ring Of Honor handed down the edict that Prince Nana couldn't physically accost her anymore, so he came up with a leash. Then Jimmy Rave and Spanky had her pull them down to the ring like a husky in the Northwest. Dickheaded as hell! Nana made her wear a bedsheet in public to really be an asshole. Finally at Joe vs. Kobashi she had enough and smacked the piss out of Nana while Roderick whooped up on Rave. The NYC crowd erupted!
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14 minutes ago, J.H. said:
Actually Jimmy Jacobs was kind of a great example when he was the whiny guy pinning away for Lacey and she kept dicking him over. Of course the end result was he got his wish, tossed her aside and then she became obsessed with him
James
Which led to Delirious joining the Age Of The Fall, himself being a sympathetic heel after getting put in the dreaded friend zone in front of 2,500 people in New York City.
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11 hours ago, NickMD said:
As far as modern sympathetic heels go, I'm definitely going with Allie from TNA. She started out gleefully doing Maria's bidding and had the annoying chipmunk voice to go with it. Then over time Maria got sick of her and started berating her left and right. Add in Sienna and eventually Laurel adding to the mocking and it wasn't long before people saw Allie in a sympathetic light. People she attacked in Gail and Jade started feeling bad for her, and around that time the chipmunk voice turned into a less annoying voice. It's only a matter of time before she turns on Gail somehow but it's been pretty well-done. Now that Maria lost control of the Knockouts I'm sure the berating will increase before Allie has enough. It's just a shame that most people don't watch TNA. While it is a shitshow behind the scenes this has been really well-done.
I actually thought of that one as well. Even when she had the Rae Dawn Chong thing going on, I always thought Allie was adorable. Even more so now that she's getting bullied. I can't wait for Allie to give Maria what's coming to her.
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Heels that garner sympathy for being treated like shit for months on end by more dominant heels usually wind up with them losing their heat once they finally break away from the torture or captivity. But while the storyline is going it generally makes for great television.
One that comes to mind is Bobby Dempsey (geez, whatever happened to him!). Came out of the ROH wrestling school and was a fatass in life, and he was reminded about it by Tank Toland- made to do embarrassing workout regimens and basically be his lackey. Toland left ROH, but the torment continued from the rest of Sweet & Sour Incorporated. It went on and on and on and the fans were practically begging for him to stand up for himself, until finally after S&S Inc lost Steel Cage Warfare and Sweeney got in his face, Dempsey KO'd the asshole and declared his independence. The fans erupted!
Another one that comes to mind is Damien Sandow. He spent 2014 being made to look like a buffoon, until The Miz hired him as a stunt double. Sandow began mimicking Miz's every movement, and it got over huge, causing the Marine to verbally accost Sandow mercilessly until Wrestlemania 31, when during the Andre Battle Royal Sandow had finally had enough of his shit and eliminated him.
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And unlike Cameron, I WILL post MJ. Because dammit, it's jammin!
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Oh I'm about to fill this thread!
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And this is a jazz song, but it sounds just like New Jack Swing
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I'm resurrecting this dead ass thread for a song that I heard on Music Choice today. Damn this song is SLAMMIN!!!!
Just shows that The Jacksons didn't need MJ to jam.
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On 9/29/2016 at 9:51 PM, AxB said:
What the fuck kind of backyard fed is this? I bet bul got paid $10 tops for putting himself through that crap, literally and figuratively.
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1 hour ago, Toolman said:
HWA in Cincinnati was a developmental program for WCW and WWE so they had an old WWE rings that they no longer use and a couple WCW rings. WCW ropes were lower and the boys loved those rings compared to the old WWE ring, which hurt my hand when I slapped the mat hard as a ref. I can't imagine bumping regularly in those old WWE rings or someone like Foley, who fell through the HIAC onto one.
Cornette said in a shoot interview that WWE did the same thing with OVW, sent them their throwaway rings. Cornette argued that it wasn't safe, and sure enough Mark Henry got hurt in one when he was sent down to OVW for a spell.
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21 minutes ago, The Green Meanie said:
One case that I always found interesting was that of the Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto. It was an NWA territory before the Tunneys sold out to the WWF. For the first few years on WWF shows they pretty much used an NWA ring for WWF matches! It had dark blue canvas, black thin ropes, and blue/yellow turnbuckles. Then they switched to a version with the standard red/white/blue ropes but still used the NWA turnbuckle pads:
Some shows had them use a hybrid of NWA and WWF pads before they went fully WWF
I remember they put a few of those Maple Leaf Gardens shows on WWE 24/7, and when I watched it not only did they use NWA rings, but guys like Valentine and Murdoch were in the ring- I was majorly freaking out!
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if you go back and watch the Black Saturday episode of World Championship Wrestling, particularly when Adrian Adonis and Dick Murdock took on SD Jones and Nick DeCarlo, you see where it was an NWA style ring. Hell, with the exception of the WWF commentators calling the match you'd swear you were watching an episode of Mid-Atlantic or World Wide.
By the way I totally hated the Memphis rings.
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47 minutes ago, RIPPA said:
And was disliked by almost all of the wrestlers.
Yes there is irony in my posting this but... here is Lance Storm's take down on why 6 sided rings suck
My only problem with the six sided ring is this- unless TNA opens up an official wrestling school (and at this point they're so broke they can't pay attention) or you go to Mexico to train in AAA, what wrestling school do you know trains its students to work a match in a six sided ring?
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DAMMIT! I was JUST about to start this subject!
Personally I've always loved the WCW rings. My favorite design is the one that I'm posting the image of- blue, black and yellow ropes, or white in place of the black. Yes they were small compared to WWE's rings, but I always thought that it added to WCW's character.
I like ROH's current rings. Very professional looking, and from what I've seen I think they're the same dimensions as the WWE ring. And you almost never hear about any incidents of their ring breaking or anything.
I totally agree with you all, the AWA ring looked awful. In that picture it looks like the ring crew just sort of slapped the turnbuckles on there without properly installing them, like they were in a rush to get to the Showboat Pavilion from whatever town they were running the night before.
I love New Japan, but something about those boxing-style corner pads always bothered me.
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I'm watching the Harley-Jumbo match right now. Those armdrags are wonderful!
Good Matches Ruined By HORRIBLE Commentary
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
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Wait a minute, he botched the finish of a WWE PPV main event?? Details please?