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1 hour ago, Greggulator said:
The Miz has lapped CM Punk's WWE career several times over by this point.
Yikes. Talk about a bad hot take. Name one Miz match that was as good as Punk vs Cena at Money In The Bank. The Miz is near the top of list of the most bland boring characters in a company full of them. And his ring work is even more bland. He's had almost no character progression in 10 years now. He's the poster boy for why today's WWE is ice cold. Punk was over with live crowds. Punk could work. Punk could talk. Punk had an aura. Miz is great at outside media. He's a pretty good promo when he's allowed to talk for himself (The Bryan stuff). But he's not good in the ring at all and he has ZERO aura.
Could you imagine Iron Sheik vs Hogan being on top in 1994? Or Andre vs Hogan on top in 1997? Yikes. Can we rename The Thunderdome to The Hamster Wheel? Fits current WWE much better. Because they put these guys on a hamster wheel where no one progresses or gets hot and we end up in the same place over and over again. Case in point, Survivor Series this year is in the exact same building on the same exact date where Miz cashed in on Orton the first time. Riveting.-
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I liked Roman vs Jey last month a lot. I liked the end segment with the elders blessing Roman as the chief and really like the overall direction of his character and this story. But the match was basically the same exact thing as last month. Someone in an interview said last month was planned as a one and done, and it shows. Why just run the exact same match with basically the exact same ending? I liked the end result of the story. But you can tell WWE is already struggling with a long form story when story beats 2 & 3 are exactly the same thing. Hopefully they have something new for the character trajectory after tonight.
Liked the Women's Hell In A Cell and thought it should have been the main event. Bayley vs Sasha always delivers.
The rest of the show was short and boring as fuck. Miz & Morrison have Bossman heat with me. Otis has Bossman heat with me. Retribution have Bossman heat with me. Orton & McIntyre feuding have Bossman heat with me. Basically the whole show was a microcosm of why I'm so checked out on WWE these days.
If I have the book, I'm sending Miz to NXT to cash in MITB on Finn Balor who is too injured to compete and forfits the title. The heat would be off the charts in the vein of Foley's anti hardcore run in ECW. Then when Finn is cleared he squashes the shit out of Miz and takes the belt back. Otherwise, we're just in a time warp to 2010 waiting for Miz to cash in on Randy god damn Orton again. NO THANKS.-
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WWE had Wardlow in the sense they got a real good look at him and passed.... for some reason. He filmed a segment for the WWE Undercover Boss where he taught "Stephanie" to wrestle, but they cut it from the show. He still got a performance center tryout out of the deal. But they didnt sign him. A huge miss on their end in my opinion.
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6 minutes ago, odessasteps said:
Vince or Cody or both?
Cody definitely comes off smug like a rich kid sometimes lol.
But no, that would be WWE from my perspective. Cody grew up idolizing Dusty. WWE mostly shit on him, until his passing. Even when Dusty was a part of their team. They spent two decades mostly laughing at Dusty gimmicks and booking decisions in their documentaries. So Cody, who has so much pride for Dusty, is just a motivated kid trying to prove the ideas his dad originated are not as shitty as the big rich corporation has been telling you for 20 years.
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2 hours ago, Eivion said:
Won't say there is no spite involved, but the idea that companies don't give a shit about trademarks that can potentially make them money down the line is utter bull. No company likes to give up a trademark.
They let the majority of those names sit around collecting dust for 20 years. It's gonna be a hard task for you to get me to believe something you show no attention to for 20 years is something you give a shit about. Hell they didn't even use those trademarks when Dusty was still alive and heavily involved in NXT & the performance center.
It's like WWE has this big toy box full of toys. None of them excite them anymore so they collect dust and don't get used. But the second someone else gets excited by them and wants to use them, all of a sudden those are their favorite toys and no one can have them and they always cared about these toys so so much.Sorry dude, but the rich kid toy box theory is gonna be hard for you to dispute lol.
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48 minutes ago, Eivion said:
So you have issues with Wrestlemania 9, 15, 27, 31, etc. as well right? Takeover is already a name/brand title that signifies a bigger show. Same with much of WWE's ppvs. Other than occasionally switching them its more useful to them to use those names a special events. I don't think using the name for an NXT ppv would have been a bigger would have been a bigger sell than the usual Takeover which already happened this month, and NXT seems to not do more than one ppv every mother month or so.
Wrestlemania is a once a year specific name. Just like Starrcade or The World Series or The Super Bowl. I don't have a problem with them numbering Wrestlemanias because it's a once a year show. The point is moot because they don't even number them now. But the side of the argument you are fighting for is much closer to In Your House. When they started they were numbered, In Your House 2,3, 4, ect. Then they went to naming them, In Your House Canadian Stampede, In Your House Final 4, ect. Which is backwards from what NXT has done. They started by naming them, Takeover Revolution, Takeover Brooklyn, Takeover War Games, ect. Now they went to numbering them. And it's bland AF. And they happen like 6-8 times a year. Far different than a once a year Wrestlemania.
Can you specifically recall what made Takeover 30 different from Takeover 31? Nope. They happened two months apart and bleed together because they have no identity. While I can specifically recall what made Takeover Revolution different from Takeover War Games. But to my original point, even the average fan that doesn't pay as much attention as us, could *definitely* identify the difference between Great American Bash & Halloween Havoc.The trademarks don't mean anything to them. They're using them for spite.
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35 minutes ago, Eivion said:
Yes, thats it. Its not about protecting trademark or anything after Cody tried to grab at everything he could when AEW started. They do have to actively use the names. No reason to not use them for NXT. Those random episodes they end up using them for are basically sold as special events.
Ah. So it's about protecting trademarks they didn't give a shit about for 20 years until someone else showed interest by buying up the dormant ones.
Takeover 31 is a lame name for a PPV. If they want to put those names back into circulation do it for the PPVs so the names mean something. Instead they just happen to use them as tv "specials" when going head to head with the guy that tried to buy most of them? Just coincidence? Nah. Shooting themselves in the foot in my opinion. Had they skipped doing Takeover 31 and instead did the PPV in October and titled it Halloween Havoc, don't you think the PPV would have a better identity / bigger feel? Or is Takeover 31 a name that gets you hyped?40 minutes ago, Eivion said:NXT tv right now is better than it was a year ago where when it started. A few months before AEW even hit tv the whole show was getting quite stale. I'm honestly not sure how anyone could try to argue what we have now is not decently better than what we got then.
This is a matter of preference so I don't have any issue with what you're enjoying. My comment wasn't about October of last year's NXT tv. I was talking about NXT tv before they went to 2 hours. When it was on the network. It had a way different pacing and better story telling. That's my preference and what I preferred. Sasha vs Bailey's story. Cesaro vs Zayne and Sami's long run up the ladder to the title. Stuff like that.
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13 hours ago, DreamBroken said:
I *hate* the time remaining announcements since it only seems to happen when there's a draw coming. Completely took me out of the finishing stretch to Cody/Orange which was otherwise an excellent match. But once they hit 15 minutes and heard that announcement, it was extremely obvious that they were going to the limit. Logical way to protect both guys in a match where neither should lose but would've had a lot more drama without the announcements and countdown, then of course they announce a rematch anyways.
I hear ya, I'm not a fan of the ring announcer announcing time remaining over the house mic either. But to be fair they do it for every title match. Opening tag title match had them calling out every 10 minutes too. Generally I think they've done it for all title matches since the beginning tho. It's just not every title match hits 10mins. I also believe TNT Title matches are only 20 min time limits. So its more frequent in those matches. I think every 5 minutes they announce time gone by.
It's 2020 tho and ya gotta think there's maybe a more efficient way to do it. All the national TV companies have big screens. Why can't they do a 10 minutes gone by graphic on the big screen instead? The fans live would surely see it, the production truck could cue up a quick shot of it. The announcers could then acknowledge it. The guys in the ring can just get the time ques from the ref instead of waiting on the ring announcer. It's one of those territory hold overs that is ripe for an update.-
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Why do Takeovers have generic names now and random episodes of the TV have PPV names? Oh right, because NXT's sole purpose now is to take petty shots at Cody Rhodes via using all of Dusty's gimmicks against AEW head to head.
Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy some parts of NXT. But it's definitely fallen off since the Wednesday Night Wars started. The great pacing and storytelling that they originally had is mostly gone. I know they've had a string of really bad luck with injuries at the top of the card, so I'm trying not to be too hard on them. But NXT TV is becoming almost as much of a slog to get through as main roster TV.
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Yikes. I can admit when I am wrong and I was way off. They didn't do the same old drop the belt deal, but what they did was farrrrrr far far worse. Jesus. For a company that really pushes title reign numbers, and lengths of reigns, that's such a strange booking choice. And lazy. I think beyond the normal gripes my main issue with current day WWE is the lack of structure. It's all about moments and ADHD randomness with no logic. Why would Raw only draft 2 of the 3 New Day with one pick when they could get all 3?? Why would Raw select a set of champions and just be okay with the title they selected being given back to the other guys?? Nothing makes sense. There's no internal logic or structure to anything. Why are Women's tag champs tri brand belts and the Men's aren't? Maybe I'm too OCD and that's clouding my opinion or something. But all I'm asking for is a little logic & structure.
Annoying OCD fantasy booking / brand realigning in spoilers because no one probably cares lol but...
SpoilerFour separate but equal brands. Raw, Smackdown, NXT US, NXT UK. All 2 hour shows. Scrap The Cruiserweight Title because weight classes are out-dated in pro wrestling. Everyone knows the only weight class that is pushed as important is heavyweight, so make all your men's titles "heavyweight" titles. But any weight class can vie for them. Also scrap the 24/7 Title because it sucks. All women's titles have a white strap. All men's titles have a black strap.
One Men's "world champion". WWE Universal Heavyweight Champion. Works all brands.
One Women's "world champion". WWE Women's Universal Champion. Works all brands.
One Men's "world tag team champions". WWE Universal Heavyweight Tag Team Champions. Works all brands.
One Women's "world tag team champions". WWE Women's Universal Tag Team Champions. Works all brands.
One Raw Men's "midcard champion". Raw United States Heavyweight Champion. Raw brand only.
One Raw Women's "midcard champion". Raw Women's United States Champion. Raw brand only.
One Smackdown Men's "midcard champion". Smackdown Intercontinental Heavyweight Champion. Smackdown brand only.
One Smackdown Women's midcard champion. Smackdown Women's Intercontinental Champion. Smackdown brand only.
One NXT US Men's "midcard champion". NXT North American Heavyweight Champion. NXT US brand only.
One NXT US Women's "midcard champion". NXT Women's North American Champion. NXT US brand only.
One NXT UK Men's "midcard champion". NXT United Kingdom Heavyweight Champion. NXT UK brand only.
One NXT UK Women's "midcard champion". NXT Women's United Kingdom Champion. NXT UK brand only.
The big 4 PPVs all become 2 day PPVs like Wrestlemania was this year, with all 4 brands involved.
But I digress.... sigh...-
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One thing I don't get about how WWE handles these situations, the roster is soooo bloated. Even if you think Lars or Riddle or Dream has a decent chance of being a good player for you, why even take the risk? And the bad PR. The company these days just use the talent like replaceable ingredients to a hamburger. So when you have legitimate behavior issues with sufficient proof, and even multiple incidents with most of these guys, what's the point of sticking by them? Would the Lars Sullivan story really be ANY different if they just swapped in some other developmental monster and did the exact same story?
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1 hour ago, Ziggy said:
They don't always have people drop the belts immediately. They can drop the titles on the next PPV or on have the defend it on a Raw or SD beforehand. Weren't that just facing a SD team last month anyway.
It doesn't have to be this Monday.
Yes, this is entirely possible too.
But I think they're saving that story for Bailey. She gets drafted to Raw on Monday, and keeps the SD Women's Title until she drops it to Sasha at Hell in A Cell. -
12 hours ago, Cleavy said:
or Street Profits are going to SD to be with Bianca Bel Air?
That's totally a possibility, them moving with her. But not with the tag belts. They're just gonna have the red belts and be Raw Tag Team Champions on Smackdown? What kinda sense does that make?
90% chance New Day lose them to a team being drafted to Smackdown.
10% chance they unify the tag titles and make them just like the Women's Tag Team Titles (All brands). But you'd really have to merge with NXT's tag titles too to make that work. Honestly NXT UK's tag titles too in a perfect world. One set of Men's Tag Titles for all brands, one set of Women's Tag Titles for all brands.
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13 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:
Did they ever address how that would work?
They do this every year lol. New Day will drop them on Raw to a team that gets drafted to Smackdown immediately afterwards. (Or directly before the match).
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4 minutes ago, AxB said:
Collective update: Two shows down, ten to go, and it's all been really good. Makabe vs Moriarty is MOTWeekend so far. Atticus Cogar was going for a Burton era Pengiun look for his deathmatch, and missed:
The Lime Green is his team colour (like the Dark Order wear purple or the NWO Hollywood wear Black and White), but still. It did show the blood really well, so it wasn't a total failure. Never understood why guys would wear all black to a deathmatch.
Weird. I had a back and forth here a month or two ago with a poster who swore Atticus Cogar's career was over. Are you sure you aren't mistaken? /sarcasm
I'm a petty man lol.-
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2 hours ago, Matt D said:
The answer for the Goldberg issue is that he keeps the belt for all of 99 and loses to Booker T who they could have spent the year building either at Havoc or in December.
This one's pretty solid. I was trying to make another top face with DDP, but he was already a top face. The Diamond Cutter was more over than the title at this point anyways. Goldberg at like 250-0 vs Booker T built up organically with big wins spread out through the year is much more efficient at making a new top star.
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- 1. DDP Cutters Goldberg and beats him clean as a sheet to beat the streak.
- 2. DDP offers rematch at next PPV. DDP Cutters Goldberg and beats clean as a sheet in the rematch.
- 3. DDP vs Hogan at Starrcade 1998. DDP Cutters Hogan and beats him clean as a sheet. nWo post match attack Goldberg out to save DDP. They clear the ring together. Goldberg turns and beats the absolute ever loving fuck out of DDP. Hardcore blade job / injury angle / strip the title because DDP may never wrestle again. Goldberg is a murder death heel with no emotions (but DOES NOT join the nWo).
- 4. Goldberg wins a tournament to get the title back and goes back to wrecking people for a year while DDP slowly relearns how to walk.
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5. DDP vs Goldberg for the title at Starrcade 1999 and you make alllll the moneies.
It's pretty easy to come up with a story post streak. Just gotta have a plan and stick to it.
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I'm pumped about the 2021 NFL Off Season Thread. When does it open? It should be open soon for fans of the Giants, Jets, and Vikings.
Yikes Saquon's injury, really all the injuries yesterday... just heart breaking. I don't think The Giants are totally done yet. For whatever reason the passing game has looked pretty solid the last two weeks. Now that there's no sense wasting practice time on run plays we can really open it up lol. Also can The Giants pleaseeee trade away Golden Gator Arms Tate? He only had three or four targets yesterday and ever catch he went down in a heap like he got dusted by Thanos. His first catch there wasn't a player within 6 yards of him and he still went down without trying to get a single extra yard.-
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19 hours ago, RIPPA said:
Yeah - for what its worth - as Mavs said - whoever ESPN was using as their rules official was claiming that it would have been ruled a TD.
But as Hammer noted - it is hard to challenge a play that goes in your favor.
I mean I understand the logic in that you think "Hey my offense is still gonna score anyway". The problem with that logic is you need to have an OL that can protect for more than 1 second. But welcome to the world of no preseason games.
Whoever the ESPN rules analyst was made a mistake or got confused or something then lol. By default every play that is called incomplete the whistle blows. Or else games would be 10 hours long because every incomplete pass we'd have to wait until someone chased down the ball and ran it in for a TD, just in case it got overturned to a fumble. If it's incomplete the play is dead and the whistle blows. And when the whistle blows you can't advance a fumble. A clear recovery can change who has possession on a challenge, but no forward advancement.
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2 hours ago, MavsFan77 said:
Joe Judge lost me after the second drive of the game. We got lucky, and recovered the fumbled punt at the 3. Danny Dimes fumbles the ball on second down, and one of our linemen falls on it for the touchdown. Any coach with a brain throws the challenge flag to get it called as a fumble, and a recovery for the TD.
Nope. Stupid Judge and his readheaded OC stand their like idiots, and just let the refs get away with the incorrect call of an incomplete pass, and we settle for a field goal. I thought the top of my head was going to come off at that point.
I'm a Giants fan too and I feel your pain. But the whistle had been blown for the incomplete pass already. A challenge would have been ruled a fumble that could not be advanced because the play was dead. So had The Giants challenged and won, they would have gained.... 1 yard. That's a waste of a challenge. The only way that play results in a touchdown is if they didn't blow the play dead and ruled it a TD on the field to begin with.
The passing game looked surprisingly solid. The running game was worse that I could have ever imagined. Defense was about what I was expecting. It's gonna be a rough year. But I did really enjoy seeing them spread it 5 wide a bunch and run the hurry offense a lot. Predicting 6 wins this year. At least it's an improvement.-
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So I figured out the Retribution angle. It's the nWo backwards. All the over booked water down fuck finishes at first. Then maybe they will worry about getting someone over and weeding people out. And then it ends two years from now when..... The Young Bucks join WWE and Cena is the third man?
Nah just kidding. Just the over booked watered down fuck finishes with no thought or narrative. Bonus points for legitimately making it unwatchable with 60 camera cuts per second. -
3 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said:
I dislike when referees take ten seconds to count to 3. Earl Hebner was the worst with his slow ass counts. Some of the referees in NJPW are way too slow as well. Just give me a nice smooth 1-2-3.. no hesitations..well paced follow through.
This is actually a specifically requested production technique in big WWE matches that the ref did the delayed three count. At least in older generations. The thought process was that the tension and anticipation grows the longer the count takes (if it's the big last count for a title change) and would lead to a bigger pop. It kinda defies kayfabe, but what doesn't in WWE lol.
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4 minutes ago, nofuture said:
Looks like the work around for the wrestlers on Twitch and Cameo is that they have to remove anything WWE related including their WWE name. Most everyone have been changing their Twitch screen names to their real names.
Not sure if you saw, but WWE is claiming they own contracted talent's real names now too. The reason they are saying that is to force this loophole closed. Hence why there's a big swell of Fuck Vince posts today. They gave contracted talents 30 days to comply or be fined / suspended / fired.
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Because when I hire a plumber I definitely own the rights to his real name
WWE is the most miserable environment in the professional wrestling industry. I hope this is the one that gets them to unionize. But it wont. Because they never do. Next Vince is gonna own 10% of all contracted talent's children's lifetime earnings.
AEW Dynamite - 10/28/2020
in ALL ELITE WRESTLING
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Approximately zero dollars and zero cents.
You Tube took professional wrestling off of the monetization list. I assume WWE & AEW still get monetization, but independent wrestling promotions don't. The change happened about 2 years ago. I remember seeing AIW talk about what a large chunk of money they were missing out on due to the new classification.