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I think my biggest gripe with The Death Riders stuff (aside from the muddy motivations / follow up) is essential Mox is Flair. Death Riders are The Horseman. We know there's gonna be interference. Make it creative. Don't just spam the run in button. Find cool creative ways to keep the belt on Mox if that's the plan.
Like shit use a new ref for a few months. Run a Last Man Standing Match. Let him count Mox til 9, then swerve. He beats the fuck out of the baby face picks Mox up and counts to 10 for the win. Then he's thier new young boy. Shit like that is way more compelling than just generic run ins.
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Ospreay vs Fletcher smoked everything. Stat vs Mercedes was also really good. But I am still baffled by the direction in a lot of cases here.
Okada over Ospreay is a choice. Even if you're planning to dive right into Okada vs Omega, it seems Like Ospreay just keeps losing important matches.
Mox vs Cope on top is not the direction I'd be going. That certainly doesn't scream alternative to WWE. They may be able to capture a gritty violent feel WWE would never allow, but even still just seems like there are better options.
Ospreay, Swerve, Darby, Omega, MJF, Hangman. Those are your hottest acts. Some combination of them together or mixing them in with Mox, Cope, Jay White, Samoa Joe, Malakai, Brody King is where the money is. Out of those 12 performers Mox vs Cope is the least compelling combination possible in my opinion.
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I must be literally the only person watching this lol.
Episode 4 thoughts
SpoilerThis one felt like boring filler up until the last 5 minutes. I'm kind of not sure of the purpose of this show as it goes on. It's recontextualizing Harry, Laura Moser, and their relationship. Not much else going on.
The judge's son being dead already is a little surprising. Seems like an odd route to take for a season big bad. We're 40% through and know nothing.
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How bad do you have to be to mess up tanking? Also how bad are The Colts? They were still alive in the playoff picture and they let the bum ass Giants put a dagger through their heart.
There's something about Drew Lock's face that just makes me want to punch him. Regardless of him ruining the tank or not, just a very punchable face.
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I disagree that was some lame ass cheese. There's no internal logic to it. It's like when Smackdown was getting a new set the one time they came up with a spot for Rhino to Spear Jericho through the one screen. That made sense. They booked logic to the spot they wanted. This is opposite of that. Bad guy just goes in the truck and says the show is canceled? Why? How? Why didn't he cancel any of the other shows? Does Rampage have a separate lighting control than Dynamite & Collison? Why does Pac smashing that one only ruin it for Rampage?
Really lame idea with really lame execution.
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Figured I'd start a new topic for both of these shows because I'm going to have lots of thoughts. Three episodes of Original Sin are out now.
Episode 1:SpoilerI liked this. It's not as good as regular Dexter seasons but still enjoyable. I do think the actress for Deb is all wrong tho. The character is written way too 'popular in highschool'-ish. Deb was kind of awkward and goofy in her early years on the show. The actress is playing it a little too valley girl that swears vs hard ass cop's daughter in my opinion.
There sure were a lot of 90s music montages. A little bit of that goes a long way. But all that said really happy to have this and like that it has a tie in purpose to New Blood and Resurrection. Quite sure the end of this season will be Harry's death juxtaposed with Dexter waking up on the ER table.A little inconsistency I noticed tho. In season 8 of Dexter theres a video of Harry going to see Vogel after Dexter's first kill. When he goes he's in uniform. So according to og Dexter Harry was a uni still, not a detective wearing suits and what not. I'm sure there will be a few more of these inconsistencies. I'm assuming everything Vogel related is being retconned.
Episode 2:SpoilerI like the Batista they cast in this. I'm not sure what's going on with the kidnapped judge's son. But hopefully it's a good payoff. This episode didn't have a whole lot of forward momentum. But some more inconsistencies came to me. In of Dexter I do not remember them saying Harry worked with Dexter at any point. Nor was he direct co-workers with Batista or LaGuerta. So that seems like a really odd backstory change. Now they never outright said he didn't in of Dexter. But you'd think that kind of thing would come up more if it were the case.
In og Dexter Captain Matthews is also close to Harry in the past. Why is he nowhere to be found? He was the one who let Harry know someone walked that Harry arrested and he sent Dexter after him. He knew the truth about Harry killing himself. But he's just not around at all. I get wanted to have a blank canvas to tell stories in this time period. But contradicting the original so much is a bad move. I know the show runner of this left after Season 4 of the og, but you have to work with the established canon even if you don't like it.
Episode 3:SpoilerGiving Laura Moser so much agency and making her a go-getter is another odd change. She was a desperate single mother in the og so seeing her now being this undercover badass is a real tonal shift. And again, Harry was a uniform officer during this time frame. Painting him as a hard nose detective doing stings on drug runners doesn't fit what was established in the og. Speaking of tonal shift, Deb trying to score coke to be popular for her volleyball team? Seems so out of character. Dexter's hunt in this one was good stuff. Very much early vibes of the stalks and kills in the earlier seasons. It's not very believable that he'd be able to take down that big of a dude with the M99 tho. They really should have done a little bit of background on Harry making him do lots of combat training.
Overall really enjoying this season so far. Just wish they had cleaned up a few of the inconsistencies.
And a Resurrection note I noticed from episode one of Original Sin...SpoilerInteresting that it was the backseat of a single police cruiser Dexter was transported by with no follow cars. And no police presence or handcuffs on the gurney. Perhaps Harrison regrets his decision and comes back to save Dexter / take Angela out and hes the one that takes Dexter to the hospital??
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Yes! If you're not first, you're last. So if you're gonna be last, be the first last. I don't see The Giants winning another game this year. So they are as close to on the clock as you can be. Bring on the draft.
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2 hours ago, JLowe said:
Sacrificing your hottest babyface over and over again is a really bad idea, Bischoff I mean Tony K
Im not against this statement. But I do want to point out, because a lot of the time it gets lost in the big picture, you can't be an underdog if you always win. There's a happy medium between Rey Mysterio's second world title run where he lost every single match, and being booked like Super Cena. But in theory if you put an underdog character over *too* much they're no longer an underdog And it rings hollow. All of this is assuming you're referring to Darby. If you're meaning Ospreay, then yeah I'm in full agreement. He's not an underdog. So a bunch of losses racked up do harm his value and aura.
For awhile now I've kind of thought TK segments the roster too much. Like Darby was his TNT division "main eventer" and Ospreay is his International Title "main eventer" and Okada is his Continental "main eventer". Mox is his world title "main eventer". That it's a conscious decision to spread his tippy top guys out by division to give every division a top of the card ace to hold it down. And if that is how he views the roster, he's doing himself a big disservice. Because Ospreay is now considerably less over than he was 6 months ago. A very common occurrence in AEW. People come in hot or get hot and they piddle around too much without being given anything of substance to work with.-
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15 hours ago, Craig H said:
We wanted trios titles for so long...
Excuse me. Don't "we" this, you out on that island all alone my man lol.
Darby vs Ospreay was so good. That's the exact type of match that is my shit. Well done sequences that look impossible to pull off with lots of counters.
I will scream until I am blue in the face that this show is formatted too rigidly and it hurts the flow of the shows. It's literally ALWAYS 6 matches. And they literally ALL go to a commercial break. Makes for easy DVR fast forwarding.
Mix up the amount of matches you do. Mix up the match lengths. Make it more spontaneous feeling. It's too samey every single week.
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Didn't get a chance to comment but I am in the minority and kinda confused by the layout of SNME. They ran it like a PPV and not like the SNME of old. 5 matches straight through. No promos or angle advancement. The original SNME was big on promos and angle advancement.
A bit surprised because in theory you're on NBC and should be playing to a more casual audience. I did enjoy the visual difference of this show vs the normal TV. They did a good job making it seem special and different. Just a missed opportunity to have some good promos and a big angle. (I know they did one off air, not the same).
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The Wardlow slander in this thread lol. It's the booking that failed Wardlow, not the performer. Agents have certainly made him downshift from what he's capable of as well. It's like Hogan telling The Giant to stop hitting Missel Dropkicks and kip ups and start doing more nerve holds like Andre.
Everyone is entitled to like / dislike whatever performer they want. But if they take the shackles off of Wardlow he can heat up real quick and get over again.
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Right. Ospreay & Swerve both should be involved in this. If it's the existential threat to AEW it's supposed to be, why are all of the team AEW guys not giving a shit?
That's one big reason it's not hitting for me. It's this big over arching story where there's this evil trying to tear down what the company is. And what they're telling us isn't matching what they're showing us.
Sometimes the booking is just way too rigid and compartmentalized to make any sense.
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There's not a lot that makes sense to me with the Mox angle if you think about it for more than 5 mins.
So you have Me Rah Rah Restore The Feeling I Am The Feeling Ospreay just completely ignoring Death Riders "ruining" AEW? You got Private Party who had an issue with them and they just stop caring once they win the tag titles? You have Kyle ORiely in the same group as OC but not being interested in running in to save him?
It feels like the plan TK wanted was Bryan to Darby. But Bryan and Mox are like no wait we have this idea that will make him a bigger star in the long run. A long chase against a heated up heel for him to vanquish. And it's just not working. We'll at least for me, I realize some people are into it.
Darby over Bryan in Washington state would have done a hell of a lot more for him than Darby over Mox 6 months down the line maybe in Austrailia.
For my tastes I wish they would just scrap Darby's title run here. Let him win the CC and run with that title for a minute and reposition him for a world title later. I'd go with Jay White up. Scrap this Death Rider's shit. Christian cashes in and takes it from Jay. You do Christian vs Jay on top of Austrailia. Jay gets it back. Bang Bang do a beat down. Cope with the save. Bang bang vs FTR & Cope & Christian. Leads to FTR vs Cope & Christian at All In. Jay White hangs on to the title til he drops it to Ospreay at All In.
But I'm sure we'll get the Mo death grip to Darby who will drop it quick and it'll all end up being pointless.
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The thing is Fenix snapped his arm in half during a TLC match in AEW. It's crazy to me that instead of doing all you can to support someone who had such an intense injury, you tack on injury time to punish him for it. That's counter intuitive to me.
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When WWE stuck Brodie Lee in catering and wouldn't release him, how many people hated that? When he finally got to AEW and reinvented himself how many people loved that? When he passed too young how many people were angry with WWE wasting a chunk of this man's professional career (and making him restless and unhappy in his personal life for what little time he had left)?
Basically it is straight bullshit to ice anyone out. Use them, or if you don't want to use them let them go. That's a standard level of professionalism I expect from WWE, AEW, TNA, New Japan, MLW, fucking whoever. If you don't want someone and they want to go, let them fucking go.
Fuck TK on this one. He was beating the drum railing against these kinda practices when it was Vince doing them. How come it's okay for him to do it? Quit adding injury time. That's some shady ass bullshit too. Again that goes for all companies. If major sports can't even pull that off how tf you think a worked sport can? You sign someone for a duration. It's how the cookie crumbles if they get hurt during it. And if I were offered a deal with language like that in it I wouldn't sign it.
If AEW wants to start earning fan good will back, being a heartless corporate type dude isn't the way. Be the compassionate guy. Be the one people love and respect for always going above and beyond to treat the talent with the most professionalism possible. I don't see why anyone would sign with AEW these days with the current way you get treated if you get on the outs with him.
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Yeah I was gonna say tickets didn't move in as high of quantity after that match was announced as they had been before. But that's not due to the match being announced. That's due to them nearing capacity already by that point and not as many tickets left to be sold.
That's some agenda twisting of the facts. It's not like they announced the match in July and people stopped buying tickets. Tickets were nearly gone by the time the match was announced. So not a true data point.
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I would just like to tag onto Gordi's post that AEW is very much like 2014 WWE right now. Stale. Going with stories no one wants on top. Not going with the hot hand. Repetitive booking and repetitive tv formula. Despite having a great roster full of talent.
AEW was created to be the alternative to that. And now 5 years in, it's become who *they* are.
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38 minutes ago, The Comedian said:
Who's Cena gonna work with at Mania?
My guess is Cena wins The Rumble and you run Cena vs Cody for the title. That's a big money match if you aren't doing Cody vs The Rock. Even if The Rock is available, I'd put him with Roman.
I kind of don't know who Roman & Cody will work otherwise? I guess one could work Punk. But Punk seems pretty certain to work Rollins this year. Probably with one of them getting the World Title off of Gunther first making it The World Title Match.
But yeah, Cena beats Cody and gets that record 17th reign. Defends it all year until Cody is the one selected for his last match and Cidy beats him in the last match to retire him and get the title back in time for next year's Mania season.
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15 hours ago, SovietShooter said:
Getting a million views on SocMedia can be just as good as 400K or whatever in the Nielsen's.
In what sense? Selling tv ads are what the network paying them wants to be able to do. 1 million views on social don't keep their primary business partner and the ones funding the gravy train happy. It's a nice bonus. But raising consistant viewership is more important to AEW's overall health than having as many eyeballs on social see clips of a match or a promo.
ETA: After re-reading I think I might have misunderstood the context. I thought you were saying they should say screw viewership and lean into getting as many social views as possible instead. Is that a wrong interpretation?
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That's their deal. Best Friends always referred to each other that way. On social media and on TV. Dustin & Greg. It's not him trying to name drop shoot names he's just riffing on the deal they already do.
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I hope Max & Netflix both report viewership in some way. Not too optimistic about them doing so tho. Probably just sporadic press releases when there's something they want to be known.
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I think they've hit a point where the brand has a stink to it. (I know that sounds harsh. I still enjoy a lot of what they're doing but this is the best way to put it). They've done enough things that people don't like for long enough that what AEW is... is just not what a lot of people enjoy.
I'd also throw in a little of WWE getting hot hurting them in. In 2019 they were the alternative to a tired Vince run company. In 2024 they're more Vince like than WWE is. WWE production has improved. Their storytelling is better. Their attendance. Everything.
And then your top story is annoying people. Your booking style is annoying people. The over saturation is annoying people. It's just inertia. So much negative momentum steam rolling for so long has burned people out.
There's no magic bullet to get their mojo back either. Once people check out it's reallllyyyyyy hard to get them back.
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Its a title to only be defended on Dynamite because Dynamite is also called TNT? Lol
The TBS title is only for people with IBS?
Why does ROH, who doesn't have TV, have two TV Titles?
The AEW title situation is so sloppy. It drives me OCD nuts. Only gonna get worse because you just knowwww they're gonna add a Max Title once they start streaming.
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I'd much rather watch Jack Pery vs Luchasaurus than Jack Perry vs Daniel Garcia. As the PPV showed those two didn't gel very well, whereas the big man can toss him around and Perry could pinball for him and get creative comebacks based around sticking and moving. No sneaky arguments. No unpicking (unpacking?).
Moving on because we've hit an impasse here, I have always head cannoned my own rational for World Titles. Sure one way to interpret it is that you have to go around the World defending the title to make it a world title. But in another sense isn't it still a World Title if you allow anyone in the world to challenge for it? Just like you could say only people from North America can Challenge for a North American title / only a Cruiserweight can challenge for the Cruiserweight title.
I understand it's not the accepted definition. But to me it makes just as much sense if an indy used that as a rationale to call their title a World Title. And as Nikita pointed out above, AEW doesn't even use the Heavyweight qualifier with their title. Because weight classes are outdated in pro wrestling. Boom roasted lol.
WORLDS END II - 12/28/2024
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They already completed that story. He was gun shy after hurting Danielson with The Tiger Driver. Then he stopped and lost because of nit using it a few times. Danielson said stop being a pussy, use it. So he did. And beat MJF with it. And won The International Title back.
If you're expecting some other conclusion coming down the road from that angle I think you're about to be a disappointed boy lol.