T.Rex-n-effeckx
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This is Hebrew Hammer Joseph Shwartz v Scientologist Travis Dufour.
http://youtu.be/G24Gc0Ym9N0Both guys have no shortage of bookings although neither has worked IWA they've worked elsewhere. Both have a ton of potential. I'd say Shwartz' act is way more polished than early Punk who had amusing gimmick and fun mic work and a good work ethic but needed a lot of time to figure out things to do to fill time, how to work in front of a regular audience, etc. I think without IWA, Punk might have got to be as good as Shwartz or maybe fellow midwest worker Vic Capri.
If Ian wasn't such a scumbag I don't think many people would have a problem saying he helped develop Punk and others during that era.
Ian Rotten is a wrestling promoter. Wrestling promoters are all scumbags. When St Peter greets Ian, Heyman, Mcmahon, Inoki, Victor Quinones, Fritz, and Antonio Pena...none of them are going into heaven.
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Luger gets unjustly shit on by the majority of people. He was great from late 88 til around 91/92
"Great" seems like a bit much.
I don't think he was as good as Barry Windham or Dan Spivey during that period.
I've seen Butch Reed vs Ric Flair and Butch Reed v Dick Murdoch, Luger really comes off as a dime store Butch Reed opposite same opponents during this "great" time period.
I think it's pretty widely accepted that Luger is a better Flair opponent than Sting, but did Luger bring as much to plate opposite Hansen as Sting brought opposite Vader, what are people's thoughts on Luger v Nikita vis a vis Sting v Nikita?
Luger was pretty consistently entertaining in that 88-92 period but "great" feels like a bit much.
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I wouldn't say he developed Punk as much as booked a guy with a lot of potential...Not really THAT admirable.
Watch early Punk in IWA vs. what he was like later in his IWA-Ms career.
He was developed and cultivated by IWA.
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Because Ian is hardcorz and the only promoter with the guts to book the White Lion? He's also developed some great talents like, uh, well like, uh... Oh yeah! Like Mickie Knuckles.
Three time WWE heavyweight Champion Cm Punk as well.
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I've never been a fan of the US title (I'm a huge Tv title fan).
But I'd nominate the Bret v Luger title change.
What I wrote in the past about how Bret and Luger match up well (comparing Bret v Luger handheld with Bret v Narcisus from Colliseum video and the US title match):
I left feeling that the two match up well which is something I don’t think I’d have ever said before. Just the way they run the ropes or something, just go “Hey these two guys are oddly on the same page”: no sense of Bret dragging something out of Luger or Luger resisting. There are Luger v Sting matches where you go "Luger doewsn't want to be doing this", not here.
The two WWF matches are near identical. I don’t remember Luger’s nice backbreaker in the non-handheld one and don’t think there was a double noggin knocker in the handheld. I always dig chickenshit Luger. The match for the Coliseum video is one where really early on I called “this needs a run in finish”. “These guys are going back and forward with no guy ever feeling like they have a clear advantage and I just don’t see either moving toward ending this”. Filling time toward a run in. Lots of Hart matches have these long even finish runs. These aren’t really your turn my turn move-exchanges, but extended runs with changes in momentum with no one being “guy with advantage”. The Colliseum one really felt like the match was building toward a run in, the handheld which was structured similarly felt to me more like guys building toward a finish.
The WCW match does seem a lot more "complete. "-more beginning middle endish"-The WCW US Title match IMO is the best of the three. It's a lot better than I remember it being. I don’t want to over sell it but the match is pretty fucking good. I don't want to say it's greatest thing ever but you get the sense that if you could photoshop Lyger's mask on Bret and Olympico's on Luger you could talk some people into arguing that it was a MOTY from Delphin show. This is somewhat surprising since the general talking point is that Luger is better (more natural) as heel, and that Bret prefers to work face (resistant to heel work). Also that Bret was unmotivated in WCW, and Luger was completely washed up and (unmotivated for a decade). Luger brings less to the table than he did in the Narcissus matches but sometimes a well worked one man show is better. Bret does a nice job as heel feeding Luger face spots and for whatever its worth Luger doesn’t fuck those up, and sells well. Crowd totally eats those face spots up, and is pissed when the face gets run cut off. Bret also is really great at bumping and selling for Luger’s stuff making the one set of punches in corner look great and making the clotheslines all work.
For match between roided guy who the WWF implied killed his wife vs guy working cerebral technical heel, this match smokes all the 04 matches between roided WWF guy who actually did kill his wife and guy working cerebral technical heel.Tim Cooke and Benbeach also comment on the Luger v Bret matchup here:
http://z11.invisionfree.com/wrestling_ko/index.php?showtopic=874&hl=
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After 92 he got hurt and wasn't the same.
Late 80s he was very good.
How many other guys were meh most of their career but had a really good 3-4 year run?
Well Sting and Rick Rude to name two. . .
Those two weren't meh outside of their great runs. Well Sting's been meh the last couple of years, but he's over 50, so he gets a pass on it.
Sting's great run was like 89-94 at least, that's 6 years, maybe a bit longer.
Luger was pretty terrible after he left WCW the 1st time.
And when was Rude meh? Not counting when he had a career ending back injury and could no longer wrestle.
Rude wasn't exactly good before 1989. . .
There were green as grass Rude matches on the DVDVR Mephis set and I want to say on the Texas one as well. He still comes off as super green when teamed with Fernandez but I'd say even super green he looked better than peak era Brutus Beefcake (when teamed with Valentine).
Rude is a guy where he is able to do a ton of surprisingly high end stuff before he became a complete wrestler.
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Watched Wrestle War '91 on the Network last night and damn if the Luger-Spivey was not really fucking good. I remembered it being a solid match, but it was probably the best non War Games match on an excellent overall card (and I may argue it being better then War Games).
You should also watch Sting v Spivey from 89. That Spivey has a really great match shouldn't come as surprise to anyone, he was pretty fucking amazing from 89-94ish. He's a guy that deserves a good comp.
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Don West
James Storm with Miss Texas
Sting mic work
Early Samoa Joe mic work
Samoa Joe dancing before Liger match
Wolfie D as Slash with Flash Flannigan as KobainNaturals with Chris Candido
Chris Candido
Naturals v AMWR Truth to the NWA championship and him lecturing the black cage dancer.
The Hector Garza push on foxsportsnet Hector Garza battle royale, Hector Garza v Aj Styles, Hector Garza v Scott Hal ( which includes a great Kevin Nash as Jimmy Hart/Heenan stooging heel performance) l, Hector Garza v Jeff Jarrett
Jarret v Jay LethalSabu v Malice
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Eddie Lawrence, Rooney and Pinette makes a fine trio.
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Opening credits of The Strip which is worth tracking down for young adult Rooney.
Quicksand is probably my favorite Rooney Film NoirThis is a spectacular prickly Rooney interview with a million quotable lines
-Interviewer: You said in the book
Rooney: No those are lines in a book
Interviewer: What was the process to develop the character
Rooney: I went to work that morning:
http://www.cbc.ca/player/AudioMobile/Rewind/ID/2331221204/-
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This is a really fun Mickey Mguire silent film:
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I kind of liked this preposterous Memphis fed that was main evented by Tatt2 v Atlantis:
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The moves talk has on some level always been fundamentally bullshit.
Hogan is a guy who was Taz like in throwing a bunch of suplexes.When you watch Stan Hansen and Dynamite Kid, Hansen is the guy with larger and more varied move set while Dynamite is pretty much a brawler with a bunch of highspots.
If the old Mark Henry v Shawn Michaels threads were still around, one of the running jokes was people defending HBK (a guy with small body of moves and lots of execution problems) because of all his moves.
When people mocked spotfest lovers like Dean or Schneider for liking fat guys with PUNCHES~!. They were mocking guys who liked moves executed well.
guy with good punches is a guy with good execution, guy not blowing his (punch) spots.
Over the years the majority of people who talk about "moves", use the term "moves" with very little thought about actual "moves" attached.I'd like to think that what has changed is people actually are being forced to talk about the moves and how they are used.
People praising all of Richards big moves argue with people who think Richards doesn't know how to use any midrage moves to effectively fill time. These are move discussions not anti-move discussions.
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I'd also say it sounds pretty bullshit to me. If you followed the sale of USWA and the various lawsuits that followed, it's pretty clear that issues of who owns what and all the different competing claims by different conmen who were sold "ownership" of footage by other conmen is a giant clusterfuck.
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I had a weekly Custom Chucky P update I was running here when he first showed up at that point, there were at least two Palumbo v Finlay matches...how is that period a black hole for anyone.
I'd also reccomend people watch all the Chuck Palumbo Voodoo Murders stuff...as Palumbo was really great and pretty much post-Muta All Japan has really no IWC coverage (feels like a project for Matt or Paul Cooke).
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Observer types strike me as the kind of people who start hating rock bands after they make it big. The worst kind of people.
Yeah, that's absolutely...uh, what?
My theory is the members over there aren't excited about Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins and Cesaro because they changed their names and wrestle for the evil empire.
Huh last I heard Cesaro is in the pre-show match?
What are the matches people should be stoked to see on this Mania?
Daniel Bryan and more Daniel Bryan. I had a good laugh when Hunter and Steph said eventually the people would turn on Bryan because even though they are working the crowd, it's so true and then you look at the Observer poll and everyone is like "Daniel Bryan in the main events? BORING! BORING!"
I've enjoyed Daniel Bryan as much as the next guy but the last thing I want to see is him stuck in a Helmsley match.
I don't know.. I'm a big Hunter supporter so if he's not your cup of tea I can understand that but even if you despise the guy.. you have to believe Bryan will make it awesome.
ehh. I gues I liked Hunter as face v big guys. I thought Hunter v Khali was actively smart (although Hunter v Koslov was pretty shit). But Hunter as heel making opponent endlessly run ropes almost never entertains.
I wouldn't have been excited to go to an ROH show with main event of Rockin Rebel v Danielson where I knew Rebel was going to be calling the match either.
This is a mania that just doesn't feel like it has a big draw to it. Cena is a guy I like in big matches but feels like between main. a HHH match and Taker match, the Cena one is going to be the one cut shortest and given the least big match focus. There is no Mayweather or real big attraction for casual viewer either.
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Was there a better Bagwell match than him and Scorpio vs. Eaton and Benoit at Slamboree 93?
The Bagwell v Benoit from 92 WCWSN beneath Cactus v Ordorff holds up really well. I mean Bagwell pretty much only does a hammerlock reversal but it's a super pretty hamerlock reversal.
Also he's in a couple of those 6 man 8 man matches opposite Dangerous Alliance where he's fine. He looked like he might get really good during his NJ run too.
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Observer types strike me as the kind of people who start hating rock bands after they make it big. The worst kind of people.
Yeah, that's absolutely...uh, what?
My theory is the members over there aren't excited about Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins and Cesaro because they changed their names and wrestle for the evil empire.
Huh last I heard Cesaro is in the pre-show match?
What are the matches people should be stoked to see on this Mania?
Daniel Bryan and more Daniel Bryan. I had a good laugh when Hunter and Steph said eventually the people would turn on Bryan because even though they are working the crowd, it's so true and then you look at the Observer poll and everyone is like "Daniel Bryan in the main events? BORING! BORING!"
I've enjoyed Daniel Bryan as much as the next guy but the last thing I want to see is him stuck in a Helmsley match.
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If the GI Joe folks ever went with the original 70s action team. Mark Henry would be awesome as leader of the Intruders
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Observer types strike me as the kind of people who start hating rock bands after they make it big. The worst kind of people.
Yeah, that's absolutely...uh, what?
My theory is the members over there aren't excited about Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins and Cesaro because they changed their names and wrestle for the evil empire.
Huh last I heard Cesaro is in the pre-show match?
What are the matches people should be stoked to see on this Mania?
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I just deleted a bunch of posts that were not just reminiscing-were approaching sleaze gossip. Don't want it to go in that direction.
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1) Yes I'm curious as to how Bix ended up at F4W. I stopped reading Observer after Konnan autobiography, but when was last reading F4 board Alvarez was severely insulting toward Bix because Bix held minor disagreements with Alvarez opinions...and am curious as to how things moved from there to where they are now.
2) While curious about such things, I am not rovert and don't want this board to support rovert style board warz gossip. We lived through a wrestlers gossip/sleaze thread, I have no interest in us having to deal with a wrestling writers gossip/sleaze thread. This is a thread to discuss dirt sheetz and the good or shitty reporting in them. If you want gossip about the dirt sheet writerz, start your own board for that purpose. Let's not have it here.
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If you need a clean public shitter, the bathroom on second floor of Sheraton and the bathroom in Harrah's are always open and kept clean.
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Justin Bieber released "My Journals" at end of December and it is really shockingly good. I think the R Kelly tune is the only real miss. But for Blue eyed soul it is really miles ahead of Timberlake's 20/20 Experience. I have no idea why Beiber would want to make a dark prickly less accesable "mature" album (collection of singles). And I don't want to oversell it as the "Third/Sister Lovers" of 21st Century tween pop blue eyed soul, but it's an experiment that I enjoyed a bunch and think other people will to.
For Jazz, I really liked Allen Lowe's "Mulatto Radio:Field Recordings 1-4" which has the last work of Kalaparusha on it.
Los Siquicos Litoralenos "Cinta Planetaria" is pretty high end pschadelic noise from rural Argentina.Le Grande Kalle "His Life,his music" is an amazing compilation of Congolese Music of the 60s.
Shocker: Ian Rotten didn't pay Jeff Jarrett at IWA last night
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
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Ian cheated/didn't pay talent, lied to fans (promised shit didn't deliver) and entertained guys in the back by having a wrestler abuse a mentally challenged kid. That's what wrestling promoters do. Trying to think of a succesful protmoter who hasn't been accused of those things. Respected guys like Eddie Graham and Paul heyman did all three. Wrestler's are conmen, I've seen promoters be derided as marks for not attempting to rip off talent, attempting to rip off the fans, and setting up opportunities to take liberties with those who can't know better.
In addition to not paying talent what they were promised, promising fans stuff that they had no ability or intention to deliver and taking liberties with the slow, Quinones, Pena and Vince Mcmahon are all accused of also either raping or attempting to rape talent.
In addition to not paying talent what they were promised, promising fans stuff that they had no ability or intention to deliver, taking liberties with the slow, and rape Vince Mcmahon also covered for/enabled at least one pedophile and one murderer. He is the most succesful wrestling promoter alive and what all the others aspire to.
It's a scumbag biz.