T.Rex-n-effeckx
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Man I think I was pimping this match way back in the day as I'm huge CWUSA fan.
Billy Two-Eagles made one of the last DVDVR 500's based on his stiffness and batshit oldman in garbage matches bumping...and was on one of Meltzers top 100's of 83/84(back when he was working for Joe Blanchard's fed), tiny Meixcan working a Native American gimmick. He was Relampago Leon and El Santo Negro in South West and may have showed up in AWA for a bit under one of those gimmicks.
Buddy Wayne I think maybe trained Kozina and was trained by Colonel Debeers. I may be making that up, but he was a tiny guy who was part of Debeers stable.
I'm pretty sure that rookie Kozina is floating around at same time (to add to the bizarrely tine Portland wrestler squad: Wayne, Two Eagles, Smart Bart Sawyer). I'm knot sure when lil Nasty Boy (who worked as the midgit Batista in WWE) shows up in Pacific Northwest...but I don's think it's for another 3-5 years. -
I think he may have been in Inoki's UFO fed for a minute.
My clearest ridiculous Reiss memory was when Dusty opened a wrestling school and decided to name it in memory of Dick Murdock ( Dick Murdoch school of hard knocks) he set up Reiss as head trainer.
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vs. tag partner Mighty Jon Quinn
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I back Akebono and (really liked his title run and the tag tourney from last year) and Kraneo for current fat men. Intrigued to watch recent Cannonball Grizzly.
I would add Golden Moose Cholak to the all timers.
Him v Larry Chene is amazing:
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For whatever it's worth, in Regal's autobiography Regal spends some time putting over Haystacks as a good wrestler past his prime, a guy who Regal liked to work with, Regal credits HAystacks for getting Regal his U.S. job. Unfortunately we don't really have much in the way of footage of him before his 40s. I thought he might be the big Irish guy who was in that Iraqi broadway match with Adnan, but I think that's more likely Ian Campbell.
Never understood why the people who try to pimp Big Daddy as a WON HOF candidate, don't pimp Haystacks instead. Unlike Daddy, Haystacks seems to be well liked by other wrestlers and had success outside of England. I tend to like his German stuff as he works a more toe to toe style, sells more and throws nastier stuff.
vs Jerry Novak ( I think of the Alaskans). Highflying Steven Wright match is also fun and I dug the way past prime Haystacks v I think Portland's Rambo last time I watched it, too. -
We know this to be untrue. When WCW died people assumed that those fans who weren't already wwf fans would just go watch wwf. It didn't happen, those wcw fans just moved on with their lives. The feds had different and often vocally different fanbases.
Eh, by 1997 there wasn't really WWE/WCW fans. Both feds had comprehensive international TV coverage. It wasn't like the 80s where certain fans could only watch certain feds (I know I couldn't see WCW, save for PPV or a couple shows here and there or TBS free preview weekends, on a weekly basis until some time in the mid-nineties), I think by the late nineties you had less "I'm a WCW fan!" or "I'm a WWE fan!" and more "I'm a wrestling fan". I mean, people had their preference of shows, but I don't think there was really any "I don't like so-and-so because he's a WCW guy/WWF guy" anymore.He was sympathetic face to Wwf fans who were Bret Hart fans.
Not sure why that would mean shit to a WCW fan for whom he was just an outsider associated with long career in Wwf.
The idea of bringing a guy in and trying to babyface him based on the finish of a WWF payperview is TNA level dumb.
If he came in after Owen's death, that would be event you could babyface him from.
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By late 1997 though, you would almost have to be a WWF fan to understand why we were supposed to care about of the top guys at that point. Sting was the exception and Hogan made it clear that he wasn't a top guy.
Goldberg, Savage, DDP, Luger, Booker-most of top faces were guys who at that point had WCW history.
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. Nash and Hall were using their real names and weren't playing characters. They were not the first ones do this but they were the first main eventers who went from being gimmicks to just being themselves. This got over huge. t.
Didn't get over huge or draw much of value till Hogan turned.
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Bret was definitely NOT played out as a babyface when he went to WCW. He was the most sympathetic man in wrestling at that point.
As for signs of mis-handling? The seemingly constant, often nonsensical turns. How many times did he turn in two years? At least five right?
He was sympathetic face to Wwf fans who were Bret Hart fans.
Not sure why that would mean shit to a WCW fan for whom he was just an outsider associated with long career in Wwf.
Fuck, Hogan is one of the greatest babyfaces of all time and faced alot of rejection when he came in as outsider and eventually was turned heel.
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The WWF looked at the NJ3 +1 and thought the guy that had the mist real value was Too Cold.mThe Wwf didn't do much at all with Too Cold.He says that no one knew Jericho before him. Then, backtracks the next sentence and when he lists more names.
It comes across as the usual bravado and burial of ECW Bischoff had at the time. Never mind that Heyman brought a lot of the talent into his company, it was HIM that deserves the credit for making them valuable to the WWF.
It's just Sleazy E working his obnoxious charm.
WCW runs are what convinced people that Benoit, Malenko and Guerrero might have value to the WWF. Even after those runs the WWF weren't sure if guys really knew how to "work" or if all wcw smoke and mirrors that wouldn't work for "smarter" wwf crowd.
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Are we in the era where the "cool heel" or "shades of grey" can finally draw money? Or at least be something rad? I used to hate cool heels, and I guess I still do on principle. But the Shield were cool heels until recently, and right now the Wyatt Family, Bad News Barrett, and Cesaro are all heels that have a good 25% of the audience on their side. And I love all those guys. So does this stuff work now because the Sopranos, Breaking Bad, and Heath Ledger's protrayal of the Joker have made us a society that loves heels?
Or has it always really been this way? Certainly when Randy Savage and Roddy Piper were at their hottest, they even had a few supporters.
Am I just rambling like a madman not making any real sense? Yep. But I've been thinking about this a lot recently.
Flair drew well. Georgeous George had female fans.
But deliberately trying to construct tweeners does ring as false as having heat machine drowning out when fans cheered Vader's moonsault.
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Did Ring Ka King fail or did the money men just fkit off to a different project.I said a while back that TNA should just move to the UK. Just do the TV tapings here, some house shows here, tour Europe, the Middle East, Africa etc, go back to the US to do the 4 annual PPVs. Can't think of a reason not to do it.
The failure of Ring Ka King would probably be one reason.
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You can't just replace Bulk and Skull.
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Why is Jimmy Uso ahead of Jey Uso? Is he the one that married Naomi? I guess that's enough of a reason..
Jey is the larger of the two, I'm guessing that there is a general internet bias toward smaller tag partner, guy who sets up bigger partners spots. May also be just that they are always referred to be announcers as "Jimmy and Jey" and so were voted for in that order.
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Terrible lucha stroking list.
Seeing as how Lucha is usually horribly underrepresented in all realms of the IWC, I welcome the Lucha love.
I wasn't involved with the WKO list but it is always something I look forward to.
But again I'm not sure how much lucha love these guys really demonstrate.
I mean there were about 11 guys who worked for NJPW in 2013 on this list, 26 who worked for WWE, and 26 who worked for EMLL. That's 11 out of a NJPW roster of about 40, 26 out of a WWE roster of about 90 and 26 out of a EMLL roster of about 240.
Lucha may be better represented on the wko 100 then it is on most other internet wrestling discussions.
But 1/9th of a roster compared to approximately 1/4 of NJPW and WWE's rosters still suggests that it's still pretty underrepresented.
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Rationale behind Tanahashi's ranking? Not trying to start a war.
And what is 2 Cold up to these days?
I'm not sure why Tanahashi was rated so highly this year. The guy who rated him highest hasn't written anything yet but the guy who rated him poorest wrote:
I'm really happy with our boy's ranking. Hiroshi's worked extremely hard over the last few years and has finally cracked the top 100. The Ishii matches, especially the second one, are worth watching as Tanahashi understood his role and even added a few positive things to the match, such as the big slap cutoff
Recommended Matches:
vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW, 1/4)
vs. Karl Anderson (NJPW, 2/10)
vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW, 4/7)
vs. Tomohiro Ishii (NJPW, 8/2)
vs. Davey Boy Smith Jr. (NJPW, 8/3)
vs. Hirooki Goto (NJPW, 8/7)
vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW, 8/10)
vs. Prince Devitt (NJPW, 9/29)
vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW, 10/14)
vs. Tomohiro Ishii (NJPW, 11/9)
w/ Tetsuyo Naito vs. Kazuchika Okada & Shinsuke Nakamura (NJPW, 12/23)
Too Cold
"Scorpio rarely making tape has to be one of the most frustrating things about pro wrestling. He's a total master, sells perfectly, knows exactly when and how to build to a comeback, he's super charismatic and has some of the most violent offense in pro wrestling - that includes his highspots. The Delaney match was a remarkable carry job. Delaney's a guy who falls into the "annoying indy guy" category yet Scorpio held the match together with some really engaging selling. Also, he made the most basic offense, such as his back elbow in the corner rewind worthy. The way he reversed that one armbar by just casually scooping his opponent off him is also worth checking out. Obviously his match against Cruz was a great heavyweight vs junior heavyweight fight and, unless I'm forgetting something, the US indy match of the year."
Recommended Matches:
vs. ACH (NPWD, 2/2)
vs. Colin Delaney (HRT, 3/2)
vs. Marty Jannetty (PWS, 5/18)
vs. Mike Cruz (USA Pro, 7/27)
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Why is CIMA on here?
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Like I said:
SLL always does a great job of putting this together and worth looking at the lists of reccomended matches and explanations of strengths of performers on the countdown."CIMA toned down the stupid US indy shit and worked a bunch of short matches, majority being based around flashy submissions. He looked like he'd have no problem keeping up with some of the better IWRG guys. "
Recommended Matches:vs. Masato Yoshino (Dragon Gate, 3/3)
vs. K-ness (Dragon Gate, 4/4)w/ A.R. Fox vs. The Young Bucks (DGUSA, 4/6)
vs. Akira Tozawa (Dragon Gate, 5/5)w/ Masaaki Mochizuki, Don Fujii, Uhaa Nation, & Ryo Saito vs. YAMATO, BxB Hulk, Masato Yoshino, Naruki Doi, & Jimmy Susumu (Dragon Gate, 7/4)
w/ A.R. Fox & Tomahawk T.T. vs. Ricochet & The Young Bucks (DGUSA, 7/27)vs. Chihiro Tominaga (Dragon Gate, 9/12)
vs. Masaaki Mochizuki (Dragon Gate, 9/28)vs. Super Shisa (Dragon Gate, 12/7)
vs. CIBA (Dragon Gate, 12/27)I've only seen the Super shisa match which is essentially worked ROH Pure Title rules.
Haven't followed Dragon's gate in ages, when did the US based dragongate fans turned on CIMA?
I thought you folks used to love CIMA, where did the love go?
I also don't get the whole not enough Japanese workers complaint.
Looking through it looks like there are 11 NJPW workers and an other additional 12 Japanese indy or Noah workers.
That's almost a quarter of the list.
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I am assuming that King Vikingo isn't the guy who once was Leon Vikingo (in Guapos U and I think he showed up in GDL)?
Also assuming that mini worker Rey Celestial is not mini worker Celestial? They used to have very different looking masks but pictures of Rey Celestial that I've seen lately look like he's wearing a more Celestial-ish mask.
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No-one put the wko 100 here.
SLL always does a great job of putting this together and worth looking at the lists of reccomended matches and explanations of strengths of performers on the countdown.
Dissapointed that Akebono and Atlantis didn't make the 100 and surprised by how high Lesnar placed as he feels like a guy still living off the positive vibes people had from his Cena match. Still wko is always one of the better annual lists and good place to explore things you may have missed in 2013:
100. Adam Cole
99. Kevin Steen
98. Hiroshi Tanahashi
97. James Mason
96. Mr. Niebla
95. CIMA
94. Tama Tonga
93. Kota Ibushi
92. The Great Sasuke
91. Jushin Thunder Liger
90. Vangelis
89. Jeremy Wyatt
88. Necro Butcher
87. Adrian Neville
86. Chico Che
85. Kenou
84. Christian
83. Jack Swagger
82. Meiko Satomura
81. Raziel
80. Shocker
79. Rey Cometa
78. Cyrus the Destroyer
77. Dean Allmark
76. Osamu Nishimura
75. Robbie Dynamite
74. Yuki Ishikawa
73. Damien Wayne
72. Ray Mendoza Jr.
71. 2 Cold Scorpio
70. Arkangel de la Muerte
69. Rampage Brown
68. Freelance
67. Dolph Ziggler
66. Sami Callihan
65. Titan
64. Pierrothito
63. Randy Orton
62. Cassandro
61. Mascara Dorada
60. Alexander Otsuka
59. Katsuyori Shibata
58. Shaun Tempers
57. Demus 3:16
56. Namajague
55. Fujita Jr. Hayato
54. Dr. Wagner Jr.
53. Barbaro Cavernario
52. Yoshiaki Fujiwara
51. K.T. Hammil
50. Timothy Thatcher
49. Jey Uso
48. Jimmy Uso
47. Kyle Matthews
46. "Super Porky" Brazo de Plata
45. Villano IV
44. Kazushi Sakuraba
43. Maximo
42. Minoru Suzuki
41. Trauma I
40. Cody Rhodes
39. Guerrero Maya Jr.
38. Mike Cruz
37. Averno
36. El Terrible
35. Mark Henry
34. Brock Lesnar
33. Jun Akiyama
32. Kassius Ohno/Chris Hero
31. Jinsei Shinzaki
30. Sami Zayn
29. Black Terry
28. C.M. Punk
27. Luke Harper
26. The Big Show
25. Sheamus
24. Alberto Del Rio
23. Shinsuke Nakamura
22. Valiente
21. Negro Navarro
20. Trauma II
19. TAJIRI
18. Charles Lucero
17. Tomohiro Ishii
16. L.A. Park
15. Roman Reigns
14. Vordell Walker
13. Rey Escorpion
12. Rey Hechicero
11. Dean Ambrose
10. William Regal
9. Seth Rollins
8. John Cena
7. Blue Panther
6. Virus
5. Rush
4. Goldust
3. Daniel Bryan
2. Antonio Cesaro
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So here is something completely random: Why did Del Rios (Spellbinder, Phantasio, etc.) never get a longer run in a big promotion? He certainly had the look. He wasn't the greatest worker in the ring, but he wasn't horrible either. The Phantasio gimmick seemed perfect for 1995 WWE and if nothing else he could have been used as fodder for a mini-feud with Undertaker. His work in Memphis was always good (not top level stuff, but above average). Thoughts?
He was neither as tall nor had as many cool spots as Conan Chris Walker.
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WWE.com's latest list of the 50 Greatest Talkers in
Is Austin Idol on the outs with fed?
And Bullet is in their HOF
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Liked Bravo v Abby. I think the Canadian Bravo tends to be fun.
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So suckered in by the bloody photos has the recent Marabunta v mr condor hair match shown up anywhere?
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EZ Money? I remember watching him as Jason Jett in WCW and thought he was gonna be the next big thing.
I know there was a story about him alienating a bunch of folks at the Dave Taylor training school, when he was supposedly big timing the trainers.
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I haven't watched Santo Gold commercials in 30 years and they are still amazing. THe WWE needs to buy the Santo Gold collection to ad to their library.