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2 hours ago, TheVileOne said:
They didn't know it was going to kick off the show. Secondly, why not always put the main event or biggest match on first then for the weekly TV events?
AEW pretty much always puts on a big match that could be a main event on first.
The additional advantages of it going on first are that it meant less commercial breaks during it and there was no danger of guys missing there time cues (as sometimes happens in AEW) and Omega and Bryan having to condense their time limit draw match as could have happened if it was the main event.
Also, it wasn’t a title match and there was a title match on the card, so I personally like the title matches being the main event.
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1 hour ago, J.T. said:
That is also true. The current DO schism may be the set-up for Page to take leadership as the kinder, gentler, new Exalted One.
I could see that but I really hope not. Since I think being the Sting of AEW would be a lot better for his long term prospects as a main eventer than taking over a group of lower mid carders.
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38 minutes ago, AxB said:
They hired Jimmy Havoc because he was a draw in the UK. They hired Joey Janela because he's a genius, and the best talent scout in the world. And possibly they were thinking of doing a hardcore division presumably.
There are several UK wrestlers significantly better than Havoc they could have signed.
A genius? I very much doubt that (his hype video showed him falling off a building into a dump truck of barbed wire and being injured for months.) and he apparently didn’t do a very good job of scouting black talent, considering the complainants and names people have brought up.
They both were/are not good wrestlers though and those spots could and probably should have gone to wrestlers that are actually good at wrestling and that would appeal to an under served audience in America.
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14 hours ago, Burgundy LaRue said:
@Stefanie the Humanhit on some of my biggest gripes. The lack of stories for the women is sad. Their match is often in the death slot of the seventh quarter-hour, to cool down the crowd before the main event. They push no other women beside Britt Baker. Hikaru Shida was champion for over a year, yet she can't get any TV time these days. Nyla Rose isn't in a much better spot. Big Swole and Diamante's feud should have been featured on Dynamite. Hopefully with the arrival of Ruby Soho, we'll see the women's division get more focus. Though Ruby getting her big moment on All Out only because of PAC's travel issues doesn't give me a lot of hope.
But at least the women who've been champion have been diverse. That's more than I can say for the men. Save for Scorpio Sky and now the Lucha Bros, no man of color has been in a high spot. It looked like Sky was going to get a solo push, but he's back in a tag team. It reeks of AEW being a private club where only those with big names or who are friends of The Elite. Someone recently put together a list of 500 black wrestlers, many of whom are indie. AEW could have easily signed several of these wrestlers, but are just now getting around to offering Lee Moriarty a contract. The excuse of them still being a young company doesn't fly with me. If anything, that means they can look at decades of wrestling being embarrassingly late to diversify and avoid the same problems. Powerhouse Hobbs and Ricky Starks are being set up to work with Punk, it seems. So maybe things will get better on that front, too.
I have some other issues with AEW, but those two are huge. They built their company on a platform of inclusivity, but I'm not seeing it.
With the women they could be given more time but part of the issue is that with the exception of Britt Baker (and Thunder Rosa who they’re obviously trying to keep away from Britt until a ppv), none of the women consistently hit home runs. I recall Big Swole getting really over with the crowds and getting multiple tv matches in a row but she wasn’t very good at wrestling, so I assume they’ve been training her on Dark. Nyla and Kris Statlander had an abysmal ppv match, etc.
I don’t think looking at the champions is fair given the amount of time the company has existed for and how all of the reigns have been long.
And everyone who has been champion makes sense based on how they’ve performed.
You also didn’t count the women title holders which is interesting.
That being said, I think AEW has hired too many people based on what I assume is personal connections over actual talent. That’s the only way I can explain how guys like Joey Janela and the vampire guy that got fired because he was abusive towards women got hired over some of the guys from your list.
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18 minutes ago, Greggulator said:
No I didn't. But the buzz about it is why I finally decided to watch AEW.
And guess what? I LIKED IT! There was a lot of the show I did like. I spent a lot of my weekend watching the back episodes that I could watch via Roku to get caught up to speed. I really liked Rampage a lot.
But they did some things that I thought they could have done better. None of these are dealbreakers. I'm going to keep watching. But, in all honesty, the number one thing that's going to sour me on the programming are Comic Shop Guys about all of this who can't believe that I -- a person who did not watch All Out and who does not follow Japanese wrestling -- would want to see about 15 seconds worth of screen time to show me why this guy was a big deal, and why it was a big deal for Jon Moxley (who I do know) to face him.
Why is this such a controversial statement or belief? I don't want to have to go on a big research trail to see who is fighting someone on a wrestling show. I just want to watch wrestling.I think your criticisms are fair and I think AEW has had an issue with assuming fans know more than they actually do which has led to some lackluster debuts,
For example, I remember The Butcher and The Blade debuting to silence because almost nobody in the building knew who they were when they came out of the ring.
The only issue is they have more talent they can use in the time they have, so it’s difficult to take away from guys for video packages even if it would help in the long run.
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2 minutes ago, bink_winkleman said:
Oh he'd been working on that one all week
https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1433857852771274752?s=20
I love that his follow up tweet is him correcting himself for using the wrong too.
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6 minutes ago, (BP) said:
I don’t know about Pillman Jr. on the mic. He had the benefit of the best heel in the promotion going nuclear on his city and his entire family, and that was the best promo he could muster.
I wasn’t that familiar with Hayter before, but she is a star. They must be exploring their options as far as a tag team or secondary belt for the women’s division because their cup runneth over with talent right now.
He looked a little nervous but I think it might have been his first live promo. I’m sure he’ll get better with more experience. Also, I assume they’re just feeding him to MJF to build MJF back up, so it’s not that big of a deal.
I thought Malakai vs Dustin was a good opener. I like that Dustin jump started the match like that—shouldn’t be feeling out a guy when he’s attacked a member of your family.
I’m pretty excited about the prospect of Team Taz vs CM Punk feud. The Taz promo was a little awkward—I don’t understand why Taz wouldn’t want his guys to take out a top guy. CM Punk using Taz’s catch phrase was good though.
I hope Hobbs isn’t out long if he was concussed.
Britt Baker’s “why don’t you run away back to catering where you were for the last 4 years” was line of the night.
I liked Adam Cole getting heat by doing the jealous boyfriend thing with Tony.
Dan Lambert is great at getting heat. I’m interested to see where they’re going with that.
AEW should see if they could work out a deal to loan out some of their more green guys to New Japan to get Minoru Suzuki for an extended run. This guy is awesome and I wouldn’t mind seeing him in AEW for the next 6 months.
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7 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:
I'll grant you TNA failed. But in what world did WCW becoming super successful and over taking the number one spot for about two years (and going from losing money to mega profitable) a failure to you? Yes WCW went out of business. But your narrative isn't the reason why. The purse strings got closed. The handcuffs went onto the creative team. WCW was still kicking ass in 1998, even if WWE had pulled ahead. The corporate mergers / standards & practices handcuffs stopped them from continuing to sign big names and book more reality based gritty realism. They had to tone it down and go more PG on screen and it was not good. Then all the really bad management and booking changes accelerated things. They didn't fail because they signed too many big names. They went out of business because Turner stopped letting Bischoff do his thing without restrictions. And a neutered WCW vs the full on attitude era was a massacre.
Another historically inaccurate take. The ultra successful WWE 80s expansion did this exact thing to great success. They rotated all of the big stars so none of them got over exposed. Hogan had less than 10 TV matches per year from 1984-1993. Is that a cause for alarm? No. Because 15 of those remaining TV weeks had a Savage match. 10 of the remaining TV weeks had a Bobby Heenan guy match building up a Hogan challenger. 10 of the remaining TV weeks was anchored by the tag title story. The last 7 weeks would feature some of the biggest stars they took from other territories.
You're showing your recency bias by saying these doom and gloom things about a strategy that's worked incredibly well historically. Just because Hangman didn't work this PPV, doesn't mean the viewing audience has totally forgotten who he was. He still retains all of his value. Same with Cody / et all. Now I'm not saying AEW has things balanced perfectly by any means. There is room to improve for sure. But to assert that people like Ricky Starks that didn't make the PPV is now so far down the pecking order fans can't / won't care about them is so off the mark it's not even funny. Did fans of the 80s expansion forget about Savage or Steamboat (comparable to Stark's current position) if they didn't have a PPV match? Of course not.
The truth is they are booking in a way you are not familiar with. You can certainly have an opinion on if you like it or not. But to state arguments framed about how they are doing it "wrong" or making "mistakes" or that they are going to "fail like TNA & WCW did" is just being historically ignorant. They may still fail. But it's not going to be because some of their good talent miss PPVs sometimes. Or because they signed too many great attractions.But why did the purse strings get closed? It wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that former WWF guys were signed to exorbitant deals would it?
The bad creative didn’t have anything to do with giving a former WWF guy creative control or another ship jumper booking power?
You’re trying to separate the signings and the ratings rise from the consequences of what some of these signings did or ultimately caused.
Just hiring a bunch of big names has not actually been a sustainable long term business model, as far as I’m aware.
My understanding of the 80’s was that the WWF’s business model relied more on running lots of house shows (hence the we were on the road 350 days a year), so cycling in guys seems like it would make more sense.
And while Vince was able to crush most of his competition, the reason WCW could sign so many people was because the WWF couldn’t compete financially despite having accumulated so much talent.
I don’t have a problem with how AEW is booking I just suggested they not bring in more WWE guys for about a year to focus on having the younger guys work with all the newcomers.
They haven’t actually done anything yet, and for all we know Kevin Owens was just pulling a Randy Orton to finesse a bigger deal from WWE.
On paper, cycling guys in and out like you say makes some sense. But I’m not sure you appreciate the potential psychological effects on people being left out that don’t want to be and the acrimony that could result from that.
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30 minutes ago, Beech27 said:
I'm not a huge Steen/Owens fan, but no one could rationally argue he'd be a nepotism hire. If your point is that reason needn't enter into it, that people will feel aggrieved... sure. That's always been the business.
Wrestlers will compete for spots, and/or go other places where they can get the spots and money they think they deserve, (maybe there will be enough leverage to form a union!), and companies will have to compete for the wrestlers they want. Everyone won't come out making a fortune in main events, but this is still way better than what the status quo has been for years. (And if the pandemic ever really ends, the indies/ROH/NJPW will have more room, too.)
My point is people feeling aggrieved hasn’t been the AEW locker room by all accounts.
And that you risk upsetting that by bringing in too many people, too soon. Which I think would be unfortunate.
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5 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said:
And to be clear for the 1000th time, I think both sides of the WWE stars vs "homegrown" talent discussion are silly. Push the best people. Anyone who thinks they know the appropriate balance is probably taking the wrong lessons from erroneously-interpreted half-remembered history. People want the best wrestling stars, regardless of where they did or didn't come from.
Anyone worried about the possibility of too much former WWE talent after a big event where the most acclaimed match involved four dudes who've never wrestled in that company should consider engaging less with Twitter and more with what's actually on these shows.
All Out did not feature the following non-jobber wrestlers doing any wrestling: Adam Page, Andrade, Brian Cage, Cody Rhodes, FTR, Ethan Page, Lance Archer Malakai Black, Pac, Ricky Starks, Sammy G, Santana and Ortiz, Scorpio Sky, Wardlow, Will Hobbs.
And that’s before they added Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson.
Obviously, Adam Page and Cody are on paternity or reality tv leave, and Pac had travel issues but they won’t be gone forever, so it’s going to be impossible to prominently feature everyone regardless of how good they are.
Push the best people is a fine sentiment but there only so many spots to push guys into.
It’s not a video game and so the reaction to not being featured on two consecutive ppvs and learning they’re bringing in even more guys who are friends with the evp’s is generally not, “you’re better than me, come take my spot.”
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8 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said:
Their current champion is Kenny Omega. Their next champion is likely to be Adam Page. Maybe you're the one who needs to stop acting like Twitter takes are the real world.
In an upstart promotion with a niche audience in which breaking 1 million viewers is still viewed as an accomplishment.
Based on the comments from some AEW talent the goal is to beat Raw. I don’t think “TNA’s strategy was actually a good one, Dixie Carter just ruined it,” is a sound plan to achieve that.
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1 hour ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:
The TNA meme is inaccurate tho. Especially since the original instance of this was WCW. They signed a shiiittttttt ton of WWE guys between 1994-1996. Hogan wasn't alone. It was Hogan, Bossman, Earthquake, Duggan, Nasty Boys, Brutus, Honkytonk Man, & Savage. Then Nitro starts with Luger. Then the hits keep on coming. Hall & Nash. Plus random undercard guys showing up out of nowhere like Martel & Janetty on a consistent basis.
So the TNA talking point is clearly just for those not well versed in the history of wrestling. This is the strategy that wins. You get as many guys with TV hours under their belt as possible to mix in with top tier original guys. That's what creates the spark. Known dudes in a new environment vs the brand new hotness. nWo Hogan vs Sting. TNA was following the right plan, they just had terrible writing and kept shooting themselves in the foot with shitty management. That first Hogan show got 1.4 million viewers. It's just they couldn't sustain it with Russo's shit writing and Dixie's shit management.
The method was fine, it was their unique brand of awful management that ruined it. Not the method of signing known quantities. And the quicker people stop with this uneducated hot take, the better off we will all be.Did it occur to you the reason WCW and TNA went down the path it did was because they had such a large roster with only a limited amount of spots inevitably led to politicking and then bad creative?
Once again, I’m not opposed to any of the former WWE guys they have already signed right now. I just think they have enough for awhile. Look at all of the talented guys that were not on the ppv or preshow. And that was before two more big names were added.
But at the end of the day, you cited two companies that failed utilizing the strategy of signing as much WWE talent as possible. It’s not a strategy that has actually worked long term.
Also, what matters most in this situation is perception—and there is a perception that “AEW is just a bunch of guys Vince fired (that’s a literal quote I saw online recently)” among some casual WWE fans.
If the goal is to expand the audience to casuals and even convert WWE fans, (which it obviously is) you have to avoid that perception. In my view, the best way to avoid that perception is to start elevating the homegrown talent. Something TNA didn’t really do since WWE guys tended to immediately go to the top.
Finally, let’s be real: Kevin Owens is not Hulk Hogan. No regular wrestler in the WWE right now is going to move the ratings needle like that. CM Punk was probably the last person not named The Rock or Austin that could even really move the ratings needle.
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11 hours ago, Casey said:
I was wondering how long it would take before someone made a comparison to TNA bringing in every WWE wrestler that got cut way back when VS AEW bringing in two of the most popular wrestlers of the last 10 years and someone who was the focal point of WWE’s super indie since like, 2017 or whatever. Yes, totally the same thing!
Literally no one compared what happened at All Out to TNA.
What I and others have said is that they have a lot of WWE guys and if you keep adding a bunch more it’ll be embracing the TNA meme: “Look Taz it’s [insert modified WWE wrestler name] in the Impact Zone. And the released guys appearing lose their luster because almost everyone shows up.
Right now, everyone speculates about people going to AEW but I think they’ve actually been very selective and done a good job so far. So you don’t assume everyone is showing up so aren’t sure who will show up.
They didn’t need to sign Zach Ryder because he was friends with Cody, and I don’t think they need to sign Kevin Owens because he’s friends with the Young Bucks either.
In my opinion, they already have a loaded roster (especially for only having 3 hours of tv a week) and so should now focus on elevating their homegrown talent over the next year with the newcomers instead of bringing in more WWE guys.
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1 hour ago, Freudian_Slap said:
Probably the outlier on this but I can't think of a single wrestler I would want less in AEW than Kevin Steen,
Doesn’t move the needle for me either. I think they already have enough goofs on the roster and especially enough former WWE guys for a while.
I think it’d be good to take a break from bringing in WWE guys to avoid the TNA vibes. I’d only make an exception for any of the four horsewomen and Rhea Ripley for the next year or so.
Anyway, saw The Acclaimed’s return and that was a clever and amusing way to deal with their situation. Hope they get there push back, they’re a fun act and most of the crowd likes them. And they’re trending on Twitter.
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Legitimately can’t think of a better wrestling ppv I’ve ever seen. They knocked this one out of the park.
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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:
Bad JR stuff: Seconds after Excalibur puts over the cage as being there to keep The Elite out, JR writes his own script and shits on the cage as a stip, doubting it will keep anyone out. I'm trying hard to not shit on JR too much because it's been done to death, but for fuck's sake an announcer shouldn't be burying a top match's stip.
I’d say the notion that the cage is capable of keeping anyone out was actually shot dead, set on fire and then buried when a 4’11 (maybe) 95lb unathletic goof effortlessly climbed to the top of the cage from the outside.
And that’s to say nothing of the history of cages not actually being very effective of keeping people out in pro wrestling.
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5 minutes ago, MoeCristyV.1.6 said:
Seeing Powerhouse Hobbs having all the charisma and we are supposed to cheer Brian Cage? Nope!
Also: HOOK!
I liked the match but was thinking the roles really should be reversed when watching it.
I thought this was a much better show than the past couple of weeks.
Only thing I didn’t like was the HFO bailing when they had a significant numbers advantage over Jungle Boy and little Marko Stunt. Can heels not count? And then after Jungle Boy takes a bump off the cage, Stunt just walks back down. So lame, fingers crossed Khan doesn’t re-sign him.
CM Punk getting physical and hitting the GTS was cool.
Both MJF and Jericho did an excellent job with their promos. Having JR who signed Jericho to WWE do the interview was a nice touch too because if he does retire there is a nice symmetry there.
After the Miro Kingston package I never want God’s favorite champion to lose but also want Kingston to win.
Britt Baker teasing a free agent signing only for it to just be her was very funny.
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2 hours ago, AxB said:
Why is it so unbelievable that Jericho would just lose the match and retire? There are no more worlds to conquer, for him. And he likes to put people over hard on the way out. Like when he lost a Loser Leaves WWE match and was carried out by security, screaming and crying. He loves to tell people how great that was, and how it was his idea.
Yeah, I don’t think it’s likely because Jericho seems like the type to want to have the possibility of one more match in his back pocket but it’s still plausible. After all, Jericho is 50 and obviously not in peak physical condition anymore.
With Punk and maybe Danielson and Bray Wyatt and who knows who else there are going to be less top spots and AEW appears positioned well for the future (largely thanks to him early on), I could actually see him deciding to hang them up.
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Kenny Omega telling Christian his video backfired because it just proved he was a better athlete at 10 than Christian was at 20—And Christian’s incredulous look to that absolutely cracked me up.
Dan Lambert is an amazing promo. He could actually get me to care about the men of the year.
MJF saying daddy is out of milk, these utters are sore was maybe the most ridiculous and amusing line I’ve heard in wrestling.
CM Punk teasing/confirming Bryan Danielson was interesting and a good response to the crowd.
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1 hour ago, NikoBaltimore said:
Last week had two title matches that had plenty of time to bookend the show. Then there was the squash match which was meant to be short anyway given it was Miro/Fuego. So while I would have had one less match I just see this is a one-off.
Now if this ends up happening on a more regular basis I'll come back and say "Whoops, sorry." But I trust in them getting the pace worked out as the episodes go on.
Tony Khan actually said in a pre-Rampage interview with Busted Open that the format would be different for that nights show but to expect the show to be more like first week going forward.
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47 minutes ago, AxB said:
Apparently a few people were trying to dunk on the fan who was crying on camera. Some people in the business, even. Which has caused a few people in the business to decide they really want to embrace the guy. Like this:
Why would anyone in the wrestling business attack a fan for showing emotion? They literally want to invoke emotional responses from their audience. That’s very dumb.
Anyway, I don’t think the Punk debut and promo could have possibly gone any better if you gave them one hundred tries.
Literally my only complaint about the show was Mark Henry dismissively laughing at JR’s assertion that Garcia had a good game plan, and spewing the everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face cliche.
He did get punched in the face (and dropped on his head) but still had the former champ in a submission. Not helpful and kind of made Garcia look bad when he was getting his in the match.
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28 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said:
Well at least you realize your own shortcomings. Here's hoping you find yourself more equipped to engage with these sorts of issues in the future. Cheers.
This is pretty amusing coming from someone that was confused by paying fans not conforming to his Twitter bubble views.
Have a day, pal.
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26 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said:
"WE WANT MAX" suggests support for his recent dipshittery rather than a desire to root against him, but okay. Twist it however you like.
You've got your axe to grind about people seeking dopamine rushes or whatever weird boogeyman you were constructing a few pages back, so I understand you need to go to the mat for dipshits. It's weird but it's your thing. I get it.
It's a shame "Twitter isn't actually representative of real life" isn't as easy to filter.
Or it’s possible a member of a popular tag team was wrestling without his tag partner and new music without explanation at the show. And they just wanted to see the tag team act they like.
And it’s not a boogeyman. That was just the most charitable explanation I could come up with for why people who clearly knew very little about an event would demand someone lose their job for referencing it.
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16 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said:
That kind of support for a dipshit who's in timeout for saying dipshit things and they wish he was there live to say more dipshit things? A lot. But wrestling fans do weird stuff sometimes.
His gimmick is literally that he is a dipshit that raps dipshit things, so they clearly do.
The Acclaimed were/are an over act (They’re douchebags that it’s fun to root against) and Twitter isn’t actually representative of real life.
Grand Slam - 9/22/2021
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Why would the crowd have been expecting a surprise entrance for the advertised Cody Black match when Cody should have been coming out?
I don’t think that’s why he was booed like that. I think he was booed like that because the AEW crowd loves Malakai Black and most of them thought Cody was returning to get his win back from him on a big stage.