joseph2112
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On this here Grumpy Old Men board (which I admit I am one), this years "Get Off My Lawn Kid" award goes to people being annoyed with fans singing along with entrance songs lol.
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What I've always heard/read was the "loss leader" stuff was creative bookkeeping and long term negotiation games corporations play. Really if you think about it logically, they've lost money every single year but will definitely be shelling out that big cash when the time comes. Here's an article about it too.
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31 minutes ago, Greggulator said:
In other words: Vince did not engineer this in order to come back and take over creative. He could have just done that. He is absolutely selling.
I hear you. But there is still the point that this could have all happened very easily(and less messy) without him coming back as top dog.
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I don't think a sale to the Saudis would be about the money and if I was reading tea leaves it's not that hard.
1. Vince doesn't like being retired and he wants to die in Gorilla position.
2. He knows he can't come back to a publicly traded company because of all the SEC noise, or if he does come back, it's trouble.
3. Tell the company he won't approve a sale or media rights unless he comes back.
4. He forces his way back in to approve a sale to the Saudis to take the company private. Fuck the stockholders and fuck the SEC.
5. He's already established relationships with the Saudi government, they will leave him to run the company, ala Dana White.
The other thing to all this: after all these years of people threatening to not watch, the #cancelWWEnetwork stuff and everything else, nothing has changed. In fact, the people I see on social media saying things are so much better since HHH took over are the same people that were saying the shows were great before Vince stepped down. The ratings haven't really changed before or after, and they won't change if the Saudi government buys the company and Vince takes back creative. Which we all know is going to happen.
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I hear what Gregg is saying about leaks to wrestling journalists and everything, but I would also say that with the possible exception on Nick Khan, that's still a super carney circus from Vince on down.
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This is classic Animal Farm. Vince has the ability to hire and fire the people that vote.
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4 hours ago, Raziel said:
When Nitro was cancelled, it was still the highest rated program on TNT that wasn't a movie repeat. I know those of us seeing a repeat of Kellner coming in and going scorched earth might just be panicing, but you probably don't want to be over confident with the "Warner will never leave that money on the table" because the have.
The main difference here is WCW was owned by the TV company and was bleeding money like a stuck pig. It looks the same on the surface but it's really apples to oranges.
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Saw this in CNBC (it was a breaking headline in red at the top for a minute) https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/25/wwe-hints-at-other-probes-into-vince-mcmahon-misconduct-discloses-millions-in-payments.html
The thing about the stock price is now and has been for some time: the company has long term built in big time tv contracts that make it bulletproof. If we heard something about Fox threatening to pull them, then you would see something happen. Vince or no Vince makes no difference at all.
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Would Double J be the guy most hired/fired by the WWE? He's come and gone a bunch of times.
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14 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:
They should have Elias and Ezekiel on the roster at the same time on different shows and act like they're different people
Bzzzztt. That sounds like a story with writing that could generate interest in a low midcarder, PAL. Not happening.
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I still think when I hear the reason was "personal differences" and/or "not money" points back to the Brandy thing. Like he wanted something big for her and TK wasn't having it.
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Out of curiosity I read a bunch of comments on Twitter about Cody. There is a really surprising amount of people that are un-ironically looking forward to the return of Stardust.
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I'm not sure why people are upset about Pete Dunne being named Butch. He was always going to be a small jobby jobber on Raw. Now he's going to be a small jobby jobber on Raw named Butch.
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4 hours ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:
Yes exactly. It should have went down exactly how Hogan put over Goldberg. It should have been a borderline extended squash that had a tiny heat segment with an emphatic win. I don't care if Sting wasn't tan. Or had some personal issues. You built up to that moment for 18 months. You don't get cute with Montreal dusty finish fake outs. You do the right thing and figure out the best way forward with your next move. They didn't punish Sting the performer with that move. They punished their loyal audience that was begging for catharsis.
Put Sting over clean as a sheet. Have Sting come out and talk (for the first time) and say this quest has drained him and he has some personal issues he needs to work on and relinquish the title. Let him go get help. And your audience doesn't feel ripped off. You still get a vacant title. You still can go wherever you want. But you don't piss on your biggest PPV audience of all time.I agree, and what it really should have been is the start of the unraveling of the NWO. It was already getting bloated and old, and they could have told the story in reverse for 18 months of the slow disintegration of the group, eventually back to Hall and Nash and an independent Hogan. Then move on to something new. Which I know it is hilarious to think of WCW doing something new, but there it is.
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It's possible the ROH library relates back to a business strategy. If TK wants to sell the rights to someone like HBO Max it would help to have more content. If the WWE has proved nothing else, it has proved that content is king.
I could even see a situation where it ends up they get a TV deal for weekly live wrestling and a streaming deal for historical/PPV, similar to the ESPN+/UFC set-up.
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13 hours ago, L_W_P said:
Oh shit...
What if this has all been a reverse double swerve to take out Nick Khan and protect Hunter/Steph?
Give Khan all the power. Move Hunter aside. Let Khan run wild in the belief that he's doing it to prep for a sale.
Then when the Feds come in, it's 100% plausible to point the finger at him and say "He ran everything. We had no idea"
Khan gets taken out.
Hunter and Steph get the huge hero comeback to 'save' things.
Vince dies knowing that he's always been 2 steps ahead.
While this is a tremendous idea, these people can't book a coherent storyline from Monday to Monday so I'm going to say this is a no.
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I could see the WWE brain trust sitting around determining that the two biggest stars against each other in the main event of WM is the best idea, which in a vacuum certainly can't be argued.
But good grief is that the biggest self-fulfilling prophecy that's ever been.
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JFC those Nick Khan quotes really drive home the long held belief that Vince hates being a wrasslin company. You would think that at some point he would look at the billions of dollars he has and just accept it.
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2 hours ago, supremebve said:
If Starrcade '97 ended with Sting going over clean and strong and looking like a fucking superstar, I'm pretty sure they had another six months to a year of incredibly profitable business.
Funny thing, even after that terrible decision they made 30 million profit in 1998 which I think was their most profitable year ever. But I guess that ending was really the start of all the bad decisions to come. It's still hard to believe it only took 3 years to bring the whole thing down.
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On 12/6/2021 at 3:29 PM, nate said:
I want to see this art. Whatever happy little things he has in his head to put on canvas, I'm down for it.
He tried it on Raw but Morrison was having none of it. :55 seconds in.
Dude, that's my painting!
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1 hour ago, paintedbynumbers said:
the only time I was ever "bullied" was by a friend of mine who was trying to impress people. The guy was actually a state champion wrestler and his dad made him wrestle him in the basement almost every day after school. They had high school sized wrestling mats in the basement and in one of the guest rooms. It was extremely excessive.
Wow you were friends with the Harts?
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On 11/7/2021 at 12:48 PM, Eoae said:
Show me a company that hired several times the number of people it needed - or could realistically use - to begin with. You generally don't find that in profitable companies.
The reality of the situation has always been that a massive cutback was going to happen at some point. Either business was going to drop off to a disastrous extent or someone unbiased was going to come in, look at how inefficient the company is, and lobby for changes. Lance Storm made the point on WO this week that the WWE has cut approx. 125 people over the past 2 years and it hasn't changed the product much, if any. It's nuts that shareholders allowed the company to get this bloated in the first place.
From a pr standpoint, I guess it would have been better if the company hadn't hired the Billie Kays and Buddy Murphys of the world in the first place? I doubt that would do the wrestlers much good, but by hiring a couple hundred extra wrestlers, they've left themselves open to criticism when they let people go.
I'm not going to argue your larger point, but I personally have never expected my employer to keep me around if they decide they don't need me, or make my position redundant. My parents own a family business. I guess if I ever want a guaranteed income for life no matter what, I'll go work for them.
I hear you. Basically there's never been a company this successful monetary wise and this inept at certain segments of their business. No big successful company would ever go into a business plan saying that they are going to expand with no actual plan to do it except to hire people.
It's just one more of those "only in wrestling things" I guess
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People.can say "it's just normal corporate greed", but this goes way beyond that. Again, somebody comp me a situation where a company was making record profits and decided to slash giant parts of their work force.
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On this here Grumpy Old Men board (which I admit I am one), this years "Get Off My Lawn Kid" award goes to people being annoyed with fans singing along with entrance songs lol.