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1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:
There's another interesting question here and that's who has one of the worst movesets but they manage to overcome it one way or another.
This question just screams "Randy Orton" to me. The punt is cool and I guess he did make the RKO his own after a while, but the rest of moveset is a jumbled mess. The elevated DDT that requires an elaborate setup, the 3.0 backbreaker, the Garvin stomp with the goofy faces, bad strikes, the clothesline-clothesline-duck-powerslam sequence, and so many chinlocks with more goofy faces... He also used the Angle slam and overdrive at various points. On paper, all of his matches should be a mess, but in practice, he's made it work pretty well throughout his career. He has a good timing and a good mind for putting move sequences together based on what his opponent can do. When he cares, he's also good at reading the crowd and keeping them involved. When he's going through the motions, his bad moveset is a lot more noticeable because it takes a lot of work to make his signature spots not look silly.
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- Name yourself Oney Lorcan
- Try to wrestle as a babyface against Tye Dillinger when no one knows who you are
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- Push
There were some other good things on this show, though. Austin Aries still rules and he dragged that obvious turn out to perfection. Unexpected step up for Jose. Alexa's promo was probably the best thing she's done in the company. She sounded pretty natural, probably because the material was pretty true outside the storylines. Ouch if you're Blake or Murphy, though. Oh, and Izzy with the "Heeeey we want some Bayley" sign... I thought that chant wasn't kid friendly, lol.
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49 minutes ago, Eivion said:
What are you talking about? Baron was pretty over in NXT with the gimmick. He is dead in the water on the main roster because they haven't thought do anything with him outside of feud with Ziggler. That will screw up anyone's direction (see Rusev & Tyler Breeze).
Baron didn't get a ton of heat in NXT. Outside of maybe Respect, he routinely had the least heated matches on Takeover shows. He was decent enough in the ring that he wasn't a net negative or anything (someone's gotta put the top guys over), but charisma was never his strong suit. He got the "indy hater" gimmick to compensate since that's like "make fun of the local sports team" level cheap heat in NXT, but I don't see how you could look at the results for him and think that it would be a good idea to give that gimmick to someone you want to rehab down the line like Roman.
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3 hours ago, NickMD said:
Heel Roman going all "Fuck your indy dudes!" would be great to see. Pair him with Baron and they could go on an indy-crushing crusade which would be fun TV.
I actually think this has become a pretty nonviable gimmick over the last couple of years. It has some inherent worked-shootiness that is always a bad thing plus it has developed a stigma because it has been used as a bail-out for guys crowds were already shitting on or, at the risk of sounding too smarky, guys who just aren't as talented as the high-end ex-indy wrestlers they rail against.
Batista probably got as much mileage as anyone could with that gimmick and he only had about a 3-month run with it that consisted entirely of putting indy guys (and Roman ironically) over. Baron Corbin couldn't get over with it in NXT despite his ring-work improving tremendously and it has left him dead in the water on the main roster. Sheamus is trying it out to the same degree of success as Baron (a win over Apollo Crews if he's lucky).
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3 hours ago, Brysynner said:
...this shows their Wellness Policy is legit because one of the top guys in the company is getting punished in the middle of his big push
I'm not sure about that since everyone is wildly speculating about what other reasons precipitated the failed drug test.
I doubt anything short of Cena or Lesnar getting busted would get people to even remotely consider that WWE's testing isn't as much of a work as anything that happens on Raw.
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Thought this was a pretty decent Raw.
Ambrose looked strong as champ and got a solid reaction.
Owens/Zayn might be the one combo Raw can't run into the ground.
They're allowed to have multiple women's angles again, and Sasha's back. Dana botching the foot on the rope spot was funny.
Disingenuous heel AJ is great. He's always been an underrated comedy guy. Not seeing the prolonged Cena feud helping him too much, though. Hopefully they give AJ another tainted win at Battleground then separate those two in the draft. I think that's a good compromise since Cena always has to be protected, and they can feud again down the road with Cena never having a win over AJ.
I wasn't sure about New Day/Wyatts, but then they teased Bray stealing Xavier's soul. That's so ridiculous it just might work. Strowman clapping to New Day Falls was great too. I don't know if they have the balls to write this as a face/face feud, but they really should try.
Roman's suspension might work to WWE's benefit, as it looked like they were about to shoot themselves in the foot by blowing off a hot angle too soon in a time where they're desperate for hot matchups. The plan always should've been Rollins/Ambrose non-finish with Roman interfering. Doesn't even matter how those three get split in draft, the match would still be hot at Summer Slam and gives them plenty of options for a second championship.
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1 hour ago, RIPPA said:
Per Alvarez - what they are hearing is that as many as 12 people are going to be drafted from NXT
So pretty much everyone that's been on tv regularly the last 6 months.
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1 minute ago, Cristobal said:
Roman Reigns getting slapped with a Wellness Violation completely defies my understanding of how WWE works.
I said it in the Roman thread, but I think it's Vince's way of saving face with a Roman de-push/eventual repackaging.
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I guess that's one way for Vince to save some face while de-pushing Roman.
I could still see the triple threat happening at Summer Slam (Ambrose/Rollins non-finish at Battleground after Roman interferes), but I'd be surprised if anyone besides Rollins walks out with the belt now.
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If I had to pick one, I'd go with Bryan. Nasty submissions, good-looking strikes (especially his short knee drops), and the surfboard fake-out double knee stomp is one of my favorites, along with the Gary Goodridge elbows. Most importantly, he could always vary his offense based on the match, although he did that less in WWE. I like Regal for a lot of the same reasons, but he wasn't as graceful on the ropes.
Kobashi is pretty close too, but his mat-work was always pretty uninspired. When he was young, he had a really nice all-around impact moveset, though. Of course there were the excellent chops and lariats, the head-droppy kind of moves like the half nelson and sleeper suplexes and the burning hammer, plus his moonsault came straight down with a lot of force.
For flying guys, Ricochet and Neville always amaze me with how great their balance is and how many times they can rotate their body in such a small distance.
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1 hour ago, RIPPA said:
Apparently - a lot of the names that people thought would never be back have been talked to.
Is this code for Chris Hero?
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Who's that holding the belt? Dean Ambrose surely wouldn't be wearing a pinstripe suit, would he?
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19 hours ago, Kevin Wilson said:
Someone may be able to pull an example out of their hat but I don't think Vince has ever had a wrestler with a comedic gimmick have a big title run, .
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3 hours ago, RIPPA said:
Looks like they still have some glitches to fix in 2K17.
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I wasn't watching this show too close because of Game 7, but I have a few thoughts:
Was it just me was there inordinate amount of botching on this show? Enzo falling over on the TiP spot and Kofi giving him a Shawn-esque frustration kick was hilarious, though.
Cena/AJ seemed like a standard Cena epic, but I'll have to re-watch it. The finish was pretty bad, and is only going to look worse if Cena wins the series. When did JBL go from "A win is a win Maggle" to "No, damn it, not like this?"
Cesaro's springboard uppercut was perfect, and the Michinoku driver on the sideways ladder was nasty. At least if Sami can't beat Kevin one on one, he can kill him in ladder matches.
I'm very happy WWE went with one of my two approved scenarios for MITB. Ambrose deserves a run with the belt. He's kept himself over despite getting left behind by the writers. It'll be interesting to see what filler match they run at Battleground since I imagine they'll save the triple threat for Summer Slam.
Also, two ref bumps on the same show? Is this 2000?
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KO is the best shit-talker period. In-ring, ringside, commentary, backstage wherever. HHH is the only guy in the company who might be as quick on his feet as Owens. Xavier isn't far behind though, and I'll give him a lot of credit for the trombone when they were heels. That was a great touch.
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They should just say Edge won it twice. No one cares about Kennedy.
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I didn't care too much for the 6-way match. It was a very forced epic with a lot of laying around that should've been cut down, and the layout just wasn't very good. The Fenix/Ivelisse interaction was so stupid. I get the "I'm trying so hard to not punch this woman" gesture is an age-old babyface trope, but it went on so long it just made Ivie look bad because he was basically no-selling her by the end. In the LU context, Fenix at least needed to do some chain wrestling with her. Then he went on to hit Taya later with no regrets, so it didn't even end up being some kind of noble character development. Mundo and Taya did a good job working together and selling the benefits of having an ally in this type of match, which Matt and Vampiro couldn't figure out. Pentagon felt like just another guy, and it was a mistake to pair him off with Fenix for the finishing run, although that top-rope destroyer into a package piledriver was a delightfully indy-tastic spot. Having Pentagon overcome Mundo and Taya in decisive fashion would have highlighted his new badass face character better than going 50/50 (in terms of action and crowd reaction) with Fenix, a Fenix elim by Mundo/Taya would've added heat to the likely trios title match, and those two outlasting guys like Cuerno and Fenix subtly establishes Johnny as a high-tier threat with Taya around even if he takes the fall here. There was so much more they could've done with this match, and the action wasn't good enough to think about forgiving that.
Hopefully Pentagon/Matanza becomes a Cero Miedo match.
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I suppose they could bring back Big Ryck. I'd also suggest Brian Cage, although he might not be in the spirit of the tournament. He's far too agile to be a true hoss.
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Kurt Angle also attacked Taker with a circus-prop sized wrench at one point if I remember correctly.
Why would they make a Darren Young figure in an APA shirt?
I should be ashamed of this, but...
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Wonder how much the twitter traffic takes a hit with Game 7 going on at the same time.
Looking forward to Cena/AJ. Should be a great match regardless of how the angle plays out. That match really should be the main, Seth/Roman feels like a total afterthought on this show.
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God I hope this is the end of Lawler. Has WWE ever employed anyone for so long who was so bad at their job? He was terrible in 1996, terrible in 2006, and terrible in 2016. Plus his constant stream of racist and sexist comments (whether they're "in character" or not) make him sound like a really shitty person, and this story does nothing to contradict that notion.
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3 hours ago, CSC said:
I'm assuming his match with Nak is the same kind of send off that Sami got at Takeover: Dallas.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case, but I hope they have the sense to not try to replicate it. The match doesn't work as well if it's sole purpose is to be a sendoff. The Sami match was perfect because it was primarily a debut showcase for Nakamura and was worked as a "company icon vs. well-established outsider" story. The sendoff and torch-passing aspects flowed naturally from building around those two things. Even if Sami himself had another match with Nak, it wouldn't be as good as Dallas because there were so many situational factors that can't be re-created.
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4 hours ago, CreativeControl said:
Khali 2.0?
I would pay good money to see Yao work a Khali role. He'd be injured just as much too.
I also love how Yao makes huge guys like HHH and Cena look like little kids. His calves look like they're as big as Cena's thighs.
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WWE would be stupid to change the names of Raw and SD. Both are very well-established brand names that have reach beyond the wrestling bubble. Look how long it took outsiders to catch on to the name WWE and that's only one letter, yet you still hear people say WWF 14 years later. You wouldn't tell the NFL "you know 'super bowl' is a pretty dated sounding name, you should really freshen that up." The names have stuck.
They may need to change the presentation, set design, production, lighting, announcing, and probably a bunch of other things, but the show names are fine.